Romance languages thread

This thread is for the discussion of the romance languages, different cultures, etc
>Which is the best Romance language and why?
>Which Romance language you want to or you are already learning?
>Which books are a must read in you language?
Don't forget to come to Brazil

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1-the best romance language is spanish
>best poets
>best writers
>easier grammar
>easier phonetics
2- I know french and I love it, but pronounciation is an issue
3-I don't know desu, but the most famous are
>don quijote de la mancha
>cien años de soledad
>pedro páramo
>el aleph
>rayuela

Yes I think that Spanish is the easiest one, but idk if is the best
Is it that hard to pronounce French? just seems a bit fast but not that hard user

it is difficult because things are not pronounce the way are written. For instance "empêcher" is pronounce like "Ampéché" and intentions "AnTansion", besides, the last letter is always demeaned, croissant (croasAn) , ils mangent (il mange- they eat), so it may be a bit hard to tell whether they use the singular or plural, if you only follow phonetics.

>Best
Portuguese. Brazilian Portuguese to be specific.
>Want to learn
Romanian. I like the romance system of conjugation and I want to try a language with cases.

boa noite

B-buenas noches

I really like Italy and would like to learn italian, but i feel like spanish would be more useful.
If spaniard only had better cuisine.

I speak spanish and i would like to learn italian, it just sounds too good and it seems so easy

Italian has way more better poeta than spanish ( Leopardi, Foscolo, Montale, Dante, Petrarca etc..)

But spanish has better writers doesn't it?
Im just guessing cause i know more spanish witers

Ehh yes and no, after all poets are also writers no?

no at all. We have borges, pablo neruda, becquec, lope vega, garcilasso, garcía lorca, juan ramón jímenez, ruben darío
i think so, García marquez, borges, cortazar, juan rulfo, and many spaniards whose name i don't remember right now

You got me on that

no way dawg, remember that spanish has an entire continent to get poets from

*takes a deep breath*
Saba
Ungaretti
Carducci
Pascoli
Quasimodo
Alfieri
D'Annunzio
Pavese
*exhales*

Mi piacerebbe adesso imparare il francese, ma capire quei francesi quando parlano semplicemente non è realistico.

>Which is the best Romance language and why?
Spanish has the best preserved grammar, but sounds the silliest;
French has the richest vocabulary, but is a spelling mess;
Romanian is the most beautiful, but is full of slavshit.

>Which Romance language you want to or you are already learning?
Learning French, can understand Spanish as a free bonus of knowing Portuguese.
I might learn Romanian one day.

>Which books are a must read in you language?
O Cortiço. Not much else, I find most stuff really boring. Unless you like short stories, our cronistas are really nice.

Sorry for not mentioning you anywhere, Italia-kun.

Name some modern day, living authors and not just copy-paste some literature students curriculum.

The 15th of this month I'm finally starting my French classes. Very excited about it desu, lots of qts that share something in common with me so it will be easy to start a conversation. My favorite kind of place.

this

>Which is the best Romance language and why?
Portuguese desu. It (mostly) has the same god tier grammar of Spanish except that it sounds way cooler. I can't forgive Spanish for not even having a "z" sound.

Italian has 800 years of history to take from juan

this is not matter of counting poets-which is pointless and really extense task in spanish literature- it's about quality. I have to recognise that italian poetry influenced our ealier poets, such as garcilasso and lope vega who adopted the style of italian poetry like sonets, songs, lira, hendecasyllable verse and so on. It's difficult to compare petrarca and dante with any other poets of any litterature because they where
literary schools themselves, but I think that ruben darío, borges and lope de vega can be used for this purpose. besides, the generations of writers in spanish literature in the XIXth and XXth century is really difficult to attain. anyways, i'm not belittling italian literature which is one of the best in the world and it's difficult to find a greater influence in arts than italian culture.

>Don't forget to come to Brazil
what do u mean

I'm sad that Spanish lost the /ʒ/ and /ʃ/ sounds desu

yuck

Pff Dante and Petrarca were poets as many other of their time (Cavalcanti, Guinizzelli, Guido delle colonne and a lot more) , they just were the Best

>sho
ayyy

colombians womens are beautiful?
I'm thinking in travel to Colombia in my next vacation.

No, they are all goblins and orcs from Mordor. Ask the Spaniards about it

orc pussy is hot i want to fuck one

>Romanian
Right on, dude. I'm slowly learning Romanian on my own.

Same with spain.

Hey asshole why Romanian ain't there?!

Italy has the most refined culture but Spaniards have more of an asshole edge which allowed them to gain and accumulate power to spread their influence

>Which is the best Romance language and why?
french, because it sounds smooth and polite. besides, france is the greatest cultural nation in the world.

>Which Romance language you want to or you are already learning?
i'm learning french. but i can understand spanish (spoken and written) and a lil bit of italian (written).

>Which books are a must read in you language?
Dom Casmurro

>french, because it sounds smooth and polite. besides, france is the greatest cultural nation in the world.
> it sounds smooth and polite.
> the greatest cultural nation in the world.

D'accord, quoique j'apprends le français, c'était une langue plutôt aggressive et moche au debut. Maintenant telle impression s'a diminuée, mais selon moi il est encore une langue que n'a pas beaucoup de suavité.
Pourquoi les gens en croyaient s'agiter de la langue de l'amour m'est un mystère. Peut-être à car de le R gargarisé (?) qu'a quasiment disparu ces jours-ci. C'est une de les seules choses que j'aime.

>There is no such thing as Romance language


A French can't understand an Italian nor a Spaniard, nor a Romanian can understand a French.

French/Spanish/Portuguese/Orccitan/Romanian/Italian are language family on their own

Le R guttural c'est l'une des choses que j'aime le moins de cette langue avec les sons nasaux. ces traits sont partagés avec le portugais, Langue que je n'aime pas trop non plus.

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Luís Vaz de Camões
Gil Vicente
José Saramago
Eça de Queirós
Antero de Quental
Virgílio Ferreira
Bocage
Miguel Torga
Alexandre Herculano
Almeida Garret
Cesário Verde
Padre António Vieira
Machado de Assis

All these are well-known by anyone here. Plus all the Brazilian writers I don't know about besides the latter two and even Angolan/Mozambican writers.

And then we have Fernando Pessoa, which with his pseudonyms using different styles is basically another array of poets/writers by himself:
Fernando Pessoa
Alberto Caeiro
Álvaro de Campos
Ricardo Reis
Bernardo Soares

We also have a bunch of Galician/Portuguese poetry/songwriting from way back in the day in Cantigas de amor, Cantigas de amigo and Cantgas de escárnio e maldizer. We also had poet kings and our national holiday is the day of death of Luís de Camões.

AND we then have all the GOAT singers/songwriters across the ages from fado to bossa nova, which, and I admittedly don't know about comparing them to other romance languages, but they are way more complex than their contemporary English.

Galician/Portuguese have been poetry languages from their inception, almost, and were used as such by the people who spoke it.

Texas here. I am around Spanish everyday and I have a very good grasp of the language. However, I love Italian! It's easy and gorgeous to my ear. I really want to learn Romanian because of the Latin-esque grammar and cool sound.

Opinions on Romansch?

Bonne prononciation. à perfectionner mais parfaitement comprehensible.
Tu parles de ce son là en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiced_uvular_fricative Le R en Portugais varie beaucoup selon les regions d'après ce que j'ai compris. Ceci dit le son "Portugais" (de PORRA) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_fricative est parfois utilisé en français aussi. ça depends des personnes et des regions.

Your French is good m8

An interesting thing I have noticed is that the various anglophones I have come across (specially ones that don't have a lot of contact with foreign languages) heavily prefer the sound of Brazilian-Portuguese to the general sound of other romance languages (though French is a strong one to beat for them).
Anglophones are also more prone to mistaking brief samples of Brazilian-Portuguese for Russian. A common elaboration of this conclusion is that it is too nasal for being Italian, the rhythm of it is too odd for being Spanish and the shh sounds end up making them pick a slavic language.

>Which is the best Romance language and why?
They're all great.
>Which Romance language you want to or you are already learning?
I studied Spanish for a few years and I have a small interest in learning Italian.
>Which books are a must read in you language?
I won't recommend books but I will second this and recommend the old cantigas.

youtu.be/D_L-9HzoNgM

Ohhh, apparament il y a du "Voiced uvular fricative" et du "Uvular trill": en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uvular_trill
Uvular trill est probablement lequel à que je pensait, Boris Vian était mon inspiration pour choisir cette sorte de R:
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Merci, à toi et au user antérieur aussi. Ces jours-ci je n'ai pas autant de contact avec la langue que je voudrais, mais j'ai chargé des épisodes de Ladybug & Chat Noir en espérant qu'eux me soient une source de motivation. Bientôt la troisième saison de Wakfu sera aussi lancée, je vais l'essayé regarder en Français avec des sous-titres.

En tout cas, c'est trop tard, bonne nuit à tous.

Brazilian? I have recently seen a Poruguese guy mentioning how their dialect was the Slavest non-slav language around and, by trying to forget it was Portuguese, I managed to really visualize it as some sort of weird Russian.
Hard to tell with Brazilian Portuguese since it's hard to "turn off" my understanding of the language, but the nasal argument makes sense.

All Romance languages are fucking shit. Anyone who speaks French and Italian automatically sounds like a nu-male faggot. Spanish and Portuguese are spoken by third world spics, so there's that. And Romanian...eh.

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>Brazilian?
Yes, and the majority of the time it wasn't even a southern accent. It was a sertanejo accent (my own).
>the Slavest non-slav language around
Yuro-PT confuses the shit out of anglophones kek

Weren't the original French people Germanic, why do they speak a Latin language?

Te pierzi în cristale
de lacrimi amare,
Magia dispare
când suferi în soare

>I can't forgive Spanish for not even having a "z" sound.
Spanish has a z sound ya dingus.

The Franks were germanic
The french are the Gallo-roman population

>tfw you realize latinos dont even know they have seseo
I thought you hated the "z" sound anyway, its everywhere in your language but you never use it
youtu.be/i5v5RGhC67U

Learning French right now. vocabulary is easy but the phenology and Rs are too difficult. Other romance languages are much easier in that regard.

> wanted to learn Italian and adored all things Italian
> came to Bari in Southern Italy
> all the charm instantly disappeared
> would better learn Moldavian

Intentions is pronounced INtenssiON

The guttural ''r'' is a social costruction of the late XVIII century spreaded only from that time up to 1950. Before, all oil languages were pronunced with a normal r.
Old french wouldn't have sounded so much different from some oc dialects as provençau or vivaroaupenc

>Bari
>Civilized world

Lmfao go northward man not in Maghreb

lmfao and there is the meme here that ''muh R guttural because they wiz germoneyk''.
Stupid ignorant americans.

OCCITAN IS THE BEST. Just listen... the perfect romance language. Not harsh as french, not musically strange as iberian languages, not like us and not slavic tied as romanian

youtube.com/watch?v=j1se2xsAfyk

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When did the "spanish is easy" meme started? LOL

Mezclar literatura española y sudaca es un sacrilegio y una herejía. Bebe lejía, amigo.

Spanish is probably the easiest among latin languages.

¿cuál es la diferencia entre las dos?

because we're a small poor and irrelevant shithole in eastern jewrape?
also the language is really small
i'm surprised there is a portugues flag instead of a brazillian one there

If you say so...
Then why the vast majority of people that states that "spanish is easy" talk like retarded apes? (no gender concordance, ser/estar issues, non conjugated verbs, shitty vocabulary, awful pronuntiation...).

Same.

Because the vast majority of americans are retards who butcher any language they try to learn

depressing :(

my guess is the same plural rules as french(british), shared vocab, and so on
also the fact that the united states of burgers neighbour tacostan
portugal and french saves themselves with meme pronounciation
by italy you already have the -i/-e plural masterrace

I hate all romance languages so I'll go with French, because it's the least romance of all

are you a leaf

rude

Nyet

I want to know more about old Castillian. It kinda sounds a bit like Portuguese.

Romanian is best

I remember reading that old Castillian had 6 fricatives (compared to the 2-3 fricatives in modern spanish) so the letters Ç, Z, J, X, S (s worked like in current romance languages that becomes voiced between vowels, it would be written as SS in order to represent the unvoiced form when placed between vowels) all had different sounds back then, pretty interesting.

Are there any more poems in medieval Castillian? For now, I only know the "Cantar del Mio Cid" being one of them.
youtube.com/watch?v=1EdySZJzAJs

I think Euro Pt sounds more Russian than Brazilian Pt does. I think it's mostly the shorter cadence and faster rhythm, but also the short r's and more closed vowels.

Maybe Anglos think Brazilian Pt sounds slavic, but I simply can't hear it, whereas I can hear it with Euro Pt.

Most poems in this side of Iberia in early medieval times were written in Galician/Portuguese (and in East Iberia Occitan), so maybe not as much.
"Castille, where the kings speak language of men, and Portugal, where men speak the language of kings".

I think I read somewhere that the Castilian kings were very humble and close to the people (probably only lasted until the hapsburgs and such), but I can't source it.

I have only been looking on it sparingly, old castillian text is quite hard to come by on the internet

can someone recommend good french textbooks for an intermediate/beginner? Preferably a textbook/ workbook where I can do exercises.

They were humble. The only thing they were thinking of is to end the Reconquista. If Spain never had Habsburgs or Bourbons and had more kings like Alfonso X, Spain would still rule the waves (and Portugal would've been left alone).

assimil should be good

For me, it's romanian

thank you kind sir.

Yeah, the Hapsburgs fucked us over.

We had the Burgundy first (reconquista and up until Aljubarrota) and the Assis next (Aljubarrota and Discoveries until the Hapsburg Iberian Union).

Both GOAT-tier in their own way, but the Hapsburgs really fucked everything up and we both lost the relevance to England/France.

Then Came the Braganças which started out alright, but their job was mainly to keep the Empire from failing, which was an unwinnable battle even if they weren't into spending money like it grew on trees.

Fuck the Austrian, man.

>Assis
fuck me, I mean Aviz

how exactly were they able to get a foothold on the Iberian peninsula?

Inheritance. Both Spain and Portugal were inherited (and defended) as opposed to conquered.

The whole "you can't marry peasants" would always end up in a plinko-style genealogic tree and only one family would end up with most houses in Europe. Hapsburgs were just lucky,

For example, the throne almost fell into the son of a Portuguese King and Spanish Queen, but he died when he was 2, so the Hapsburgs got it instead.

Not to mention, Habsburgs were inbred as fuck and didn't know what "inflation" meant.

>didn't know what "inflation" meant.
well Tbh no one did

>bantering about XIII century poets
Holy autism, Batman

>muh french
>muh italian
>muh spanish

Forget those, the best romance language is [spoiler]occitan[/spoiler]

La sudaca del último par de siglos es millones de veces mejor porque los autores sabían hacer más cosas que masturbarse con el siglo de oro y el ser de España. Quitando a gente como Bécquer, ninguno se interesó por la literatura extranjera. Un Borges hubiera sido imposible en España.

Isabel of castille and fernando of aragon had three daughters
the first one married the king of portugal but her husban died in a hunting accident and she went full grieving, she also married another portuguese king, which resulted in the expulsion of the jews
they had a child but died very young (Miguel da Paz) - he would have inherited all the peninsula (aparently she hated jews)
the second sister married an austrian gentlement with a large inheritance and a even larger chin
they had at least one child, which was to become the first habsburg of many more to come
the thrid also married a portuguese prince/king but is largely irrelevant to the case

a couple generation after portugal was without a throne (since the 20 years old king kamikasi'd in morroco) and habsburgs got the throne since england refused to help at all (spain was at its highest point)