Does "high art" objectively exist?

Does "high art" objectively exist?

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i dunno but i make art while being high lmoa

Sure, art made by people who study extensively their craft and combined their natural creativity with impeccable craft.

In music, its classical composers. That's why classical is called "art music"

fpbp

better art than what exists under capitalism, based fucking frankfurt school

they fucked up academia so bad it was kind of high art

see

Depends on what you mean. Does art that is intended by the artist to elevate a form of art to a higher form objectively exist? Yes. Is there art that is automatically high art based on objective characteristics? Well, "high art" is defined by a community of critics, and while critics are well-meaning and they base their critiques on objective qualities, their opinions of those qualities are still subjective. I think high art rests on the intent of the artist and whether or not they achieved the results they were intending.

Yes, jazz.

Yeah man look at works by Richard Serra or Franz Marc.

Name one great piece of art to come out of the USSR or Mao China.

>posting a rube who literally only got his position because he was jewish

Or just look at a really fat ass

Like damn a good ass is like high art too man

haha

I think it's hilarious that people think Adorno and Benjamin were anti-white destroyers of civilization when they spent their entire careers agonizing about the decline of art in modern society.

You could say in their own odd way they were somewhat reactionary, yet instead of yearning for a return to the aristocratic past they wanted to establish new conditions that would allow even more people to have the education and artistic freedom of 18th and 19th century creators.

>Name one great piece of art to come out of the USSR or Mao China.

What the hell, the Frankfurt critique could easily be applied to Leninist garbage states try harder

>Frankfurt School of Marxism
>comparable at all to Stalinism or Maoism
The Frankfurt school specifically warns about the paranoia of dictators leading to big trouble. Western socialists have been creating great art for centuries. In fact, I'd say western artists have socialistic value systems more often than capitalistic.

yeah, sleep, electric wizard, bongripper the list goes on...

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fahshizzle mahnizzle

Nah, but there is art that takes more technical experience or intelligence to appreciate. Also the lowest common denominator effect is totally real.

Doesn't mean posh shit is actually good, or unposh stuff found in the social gutter isn't amazing.

I agree with this

Eisenstein and Tarkovsky

Bad bait
>Prokofiev's Romeo and Juliet
>Shostakovich's Fourth
>Shotakovich's Seventh
>Shostakovich's Eleventh
>Man with a Movie Camera
>The Cranes are Flying
>Andrei Rublev
>Stalker
>Solaris
>That 6 hour War and Peace movie

Anymore? Probably not. Back then? Sure, if you buy into largely classist mythmaking.

All of Shostakovitch's works, Prokofiev's works, most of Schnittke's works, some Khatchaturian, Shchedrin, Ustvolskaya, Gubaidalina works.

Are you just not familiar with classical music?

ironically Solzhenitsyn

The Soviet Union was capitalist :^)

marxists.org/archive/dunayevskaya/works/1941/ussr-capitalist.htm

the soviet union maintained the commodity form!

nigga this is Sup Forums

What makes you think that?

Stalker is shit m8

>all soviet artists posted itt hated the communist regime
epic

Cliffytes reeeeeee

this of course is why jazz is high art.

cant win em all, teddy digiorno.

do you even modernism, bro?

So basically aside from Eisenstein and Gorky, near-Russian emigré stuff and post-Stalin 1960s+ stuff

Maoist China produced literally nothing of value

no.

objectively:

>in a way that is not dependent on the mind for existence; actually.

high art does not exist until we define it, so no, it does not objectively exist.

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yes it does.
faggot.

t. retard

everything is art

wisest response in this whole thread

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fpbp

rare adorno

not under capitalism

Prokofiev literally re-defected back to the USSR from the US.

the soviet union under lenin and the nep had tons of great artistic movements and fresh and up and coming composers

obviously they all got axed by stalin's regime
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_the_Soviet_Union#Stalin's_Second_Revolution_of_1932

what non-art music comes close to high art?
exceptionally well crafted/ very unusual pop/rock?

t. redditors

>That's why classical is called "art music"
First time I hear something so autistic

Glenn Branca

You keep using words outside of their proper context. I think it's time for you to grow-up, mentally.

Art music is literally called that because the composers are classically trained.

kendrick lamar taylor swift david bowie beyonce
the list goes on.....................................

>obviously they all got axed by stalin's regime
and then by khruschev's regime
brezhnev's regime was too senile and didn't care, so there was Schnittke and others

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the chinese model operas are quite good
I'm sure there are a few pieces from that era in I suppose what is socialist realist style that are great and just haven't been carried over to the west since they were probably supressed in china after the cultural revolution

I don't know much about modern chinese art in general apart from some modernist writers and early film, but that's pre-revolution

>chinese model operas

watch em on youtube they're not so bad

>Glenn Branca
>Pop Rock
What?

No he didn't, you're lying

Butterfly Lovers is great as well as some of those revolutionary operas.

youtube.com/watch?v=tu5XohUR3Pg

Maoist China had a much better cultural output than nationalist China or late Qing. During the Maoist period, no capitalist Asian country besides Japan had any interesting cultural output either.

Disliking the government =/= disliking communism

Prokofiev and Shostakovich made it very clear that Stalinist autocracy was not communism enough, given the extreme degree of state control and the lack of any democracy

comparing revolutionary china and ussr is quite ridiculous anyway, since the latter had classical legacy consisting of many a major composer who were influential in European music, whereas China had literally nothing

haha

Exactly yeah, the USSR was working off of a substantially more developed base than China and this colored their experiences in an enormous way.

Yes and no.

on one hand, the way we define stuff as high or low art certainly is partly socially constructed, but on the other hand there definitely is music out there that takes more time and thought to truly enjoy.

fpbp

fpwp

I don't know if you noticed but Korea had a massive war and the South was virtually obliterated and poorer than sub-saharan Africa. The population was also much smaller than China

1930s Shanghai is renowned as a hub of culture though that's not due to the nationalists. I flat don't agree about Taiwan or HK... considering much of the cultural output from both made it over to the mainland hardcore that says something

finally, a non-retarded post. thanks user

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lol shosta dedicated almost all his pieces under communist russia to the ides of secretly undermining communist russia

No.

If you've ever spoken to or been around "high class" people, they're some of the most clueless cunts on earth. They suck up anything associated with intelligence. It's all a fraud.

Does anything objectively exist other than oneself?

you misunderstand, friend.

art is in the hands of artists.

all the cunts with money are daft.


objectivity is a fist bb

that's an old idiotic fairytale
He was genuinely communist. He did hate the politburo, because it betrayed communist principles in favor of total political ad hocery.
Don't forget that he was the head of music commission of ussr, and propagated good and important policies.

>things I don't like are 'decedent' capitalist culture
>things I like are 'genuine' culture
What a hack

lmao

Imagine being this unaware of the world.

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t. adorno

If anything objectively exists, it is beyond our comprehension. We always view the world through some sort of perspective.

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