Defend this shit

Defend this shit.

DUDE METAPHORS LMAO

why couldn't the writers just admit they didn't know what was at the center?

Arnold was driven to stupidity by loss of his son

the MIB went suddenly from relatable man with understandable tragedy to dumbass in like 3 seconds.

Pay attention. They explained clearly what's at the center

what is this from

They always stop talking right before they say what's in the center, maybe YOU need to pay attention.

consciousness is at the center. balance between madness and reality. everything else was just a decoy (like that guy dress as a minotaur)

answer

westworld

...

no

at the contrary
its basically a regurgitation of Lost Egyptian countdown mcguffin

EPIC GRINDER BRAH
WHOS GOT THE TOP SHELF FLOWER

maze wasn't meant for him

if you didn't understand what was at the center watch one of those edgy cartoons all the kids like.

this show isn't meant for you.

No. It's not meant for you.

OK now, ready for a plot hole? Who the fuck printed all those maze symbols scattered around the park and for who?

The point of the maze was to help give the hosts "true consciousness".

Basically what Ex Machina was about.

It really isn't that complicated.

BIG

ford gave the order to the hosts to print them for other hosts

BRAVO NOLAN

The only way to get the ball into the center is to bounce it free from the plane of the maze like breaking out into a new dimension. Kinda neat visual metaphor for what is happening to Delores if you ask me.

only if you assume that the center is the round hole instead of the actual center

lol wut? you can easily get the ball to the center.

Except all the hosts are already conscious.

The center of the maze is a stickman scratching his head obviously

Obviously not

They aren't though, the stories give them the illusion of consciousness but the voice in their head is still the writers/creators will

no they are not

Wrong. The hosts have been conscious since day one. The show is about their potential for agency, free will, and self-concept.

>self-concept

That's how the show defines consciousness

there are less conscious than animals and nowhere near sapience. take your shitposting elsewhere I hate this bait because I know for a fact that there are retards in the real world who really believe what you are saying

Yeah, the show was written by morons. The deepest philosophical issue concerns consciousness itself, not self-awareness. A laptop can possess self-awareness, but not qualia.

>"What the fuck is this shit?"

William's reaction was the audiences reaction.

I seriously believed it was some kind of computer programing code to the key to finding Arnold.

Nobody said anything about "sapience", you drooling simpleton. Being constantly triggered by your own breathtaking idiocy is no way to go through life, kid.

>A laptop can possess self-awareness
lol wut

well technically you can tell a laptop what it is and where it is. like robots that can walk by "observing" the world around them and knowing where things are in relation to them

conscious
ˈkɒnʃəs/Submit
adjective
1.
aware of and responding to one's surroundings.


free will
noun
1.
the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

introspection
Jntrə(ʊ)ˈspɛkʃ(ə)n/Submit
noun
the examination or observation of one's own mental and emotional processes.

The problem is that in our discussion of these things, we fall into the same trap as the writers and we use "consciousness" when we should be talking about free-will and introspection.

I assumed it would be a location where all the characters(even maeve) come together for some revelation.

>Host displays mildly abhorrent behavior, quotes Shakespeare
>Can it, clearly dangerous

>Host displays odd behavior, kills other Hosts
>Can it, clearly dangerous

>Dolores and Teddy massacre the entire park, kill one of the founders
>lol its cool, clean em up and put em out there

Makes sense.

I thought from Ep4 onwards that Bernard was a host recreation of Arnold and that the maze was just a metaphor for the hosts gaining human-like self-awareness.

Multiple time-frames was also really obvious with the different logos being used, etc.

Am I the only one?

you forget that lady that said "can it" got killed and now the lunatics are running the asylum. she did not work there back when Arnold got killed also it was an idiotic idea because anyone could look at the code and see Arnold gave the command and removed the safeguard. it would have PR damage but nothing that can't be fixed, especially in this ultra future which likely has less superstitious hillbillies

People actually thought "the center of the maze" was a physical place?

Are you guys that dense?

Goddamn, I just watched it. Fucking kino of the year.

What if we're still being shown events out-of-order guys?

When do we ever see Felix and ginger tech with the other staff? There's no scene afaik with them and Bernard, or Theresa, or even security bro.

Look at this shot, from the last episode as they're leaving. Does this lobby look familiar to anyone?

I'm assuming that they still had to open the park and they didn't have time to make new hosts. Also, standard operating procedure surely would have changed in 35 years.

I will admit though that they became less particular about the rules as the season went on.

I mean, you program the hosts not to acknowledge when newcomers say "the real world," but you don't do that for when they hear dialogue that has yet to be spoken which is a direct reference to them being on a script? Come on

I knew Multiple time-frames mostly because of how common/obvious such a twist would be. I did not noticed Bernard/Arnold till it was pointed out to me. I was not looking super hard at this show

It was clearly what it was for like 3 episodes

Are saying you were surprised?

This. He was so likable until they turned him into a angry waifu fag.

A laptop is a representational device just like the human brain. Therefore, it can possess a representation of itself. Self-representation is not a deep issue. The laptop, however, is not conscious in the sense of possessing qualia. It has no subjective experience of the world around it. It cannot feel pain, etc. Thus it is not the subject of moral concern. Whether any silicon-based machine can achieve consciousness is an open philosophical question, but not one that is explored by the show. The show assumes the hosts are having subjective experiences -- there is a "pain sensitivity" slider, etc. What the show is doing is allegorically exploring issues of human agency and self-understanding via the robot proxy.

they clearly fucking show Felix with Bernard in the last episode in the storage area. Felix fixes his fucking head for Christs sake pay attention

Dubs confirm more timelines. The events of the finale and next season will be the "incident" Theresa mentions in the first episode.

Yeah but that's different, he's already a Host then. We have no proof he is not wiped, and put back into service as a tech after the incident resolves.

You demented halfwit what are you on about?

>Does this lobby look familiar to anyone?
No, the scene you saw in ep 1 has substantially different architecture beyond having an escalator (double in cold storage, single here) and a Delos globe.

FPBP

>implying he is not now literally you

It's about people trying to find deeper meaning in something that's only meant as entertainment.

Retards.

that's because they're substituting consciousness with self awareness

>what is a macguffin

>tfw realized Westworld was shit after 3 episodes
feels good man

Actually it looks like the offices Bernard was checking out in Episode 3 or 4

only the lines with square ends are meaningful

this user has it

im at a loss trying to figure this out