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>Bruce, stop! It was Luthor, he is the one behind the bombing and assasinations. He is planning something with the Kryptonian technology. Now he kidnaps my mother and will murder her unless i kill you. Please Bruce listen to reason! I know deep down you are a good man.

Well, that depends Clark. What is your mother's name?

>I have to stop Bucky
>he killed my mother?!?!
>I have to stop bucky

what a...""""""twist""""

>he still don't get it

>Stop Clark! Look i know it kind of hard for you to understand. But if you rescue me now, peoples will know your identity, and you will burdened by all sort of impossible expectation set by them, because they think you are some kind of God. Please let me die here Clark.

>le 2deep4u you just don't get it vague post
Fuck off retard.

If their mother name the same will he spares Bucky?

>after all this time he still doesn't get it

oh you poor child. stick to mahvel movies they have easy abc plot for you to follow

Why dont you actually explain how this is bad motivation instead of acting like it goes without saying in a snarky manner? Real people become emotionally compromised over simple things, just because you're a cool dude and wouldn't doesn't mean everyone's as cool as you. This makes sense to me, I fail to see how it doesn't. If both heroes are behaving rationally then it is stupid for them to fight, if there is a valid explanation why one of them would not be rational then it makes a lot more sense. Tony has always been a reckless person who loved his parents.

Then explain it?

>STOP RIGHT THERE INVINCIBLE SON!

>Stop brain! I know Superman is kinda hot but if I say that out loud in front of my commanding officer, during a crucial and stressful time I risk showing a lack of professionalism and screwing up my promotion chances.

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>Tell that to Zod's snapped neck

Looks like someone got their ass beat on another thread and started a new one again...

Batman is never actually confronting Superman with the possibility that Superman will become a threat or that he’s too powerful to be trusted. Batman’s isn’t monologuing to Superman about the 1% doctrine. Instead, Batman is talking about his parents and about how he’s struggled to make sense of the world. Batman’s primary issue is his psychological feeling of powerlessness and his inability to handle his failures as both Bruce and Batman.

that (pic related) dream showed Bruce still having nightmares about his parents’ death, and now here he is trying to do the only thing that he thinks will matter, trying to redeem himself and his parents through vengeance, which of course is a path toward doom. We could also say that in both scenes, Bruce is mourning his parents’ death, sees picture of Archangel Michael with spear(!!). And maybe the man-bat breaking out of the bloody tomb was the warning that if Batman spills blood with the spear (that is, he kills Superman), that he will actually be unleashing a demon (that is, himself, for having gone completely over the edge and becoming a murderer).

Chris Terrio himself, in an interview with the Wall Street Journal, said that he was digging in to revenge tragedy structure for his work on BvS and Pulpklatura traced out the full revenge tragedy arc for Batman in this movie. A typical revenge tragedy takes the character all the way to the moment where they are going to carry out the vengeance, and of course if they do they are actually harming themself, not just the person they’re targeting. It’s really their own soul that is on the line. And in the revenge tragedy structure, that all leads up to the moment called Anagnorisis — the recognition or moment of clarity when the main character gains the understanding that was missing (because of his fatal flaw).

DCEU ? more like DC Meme Universe

I think it kind of interesting if Clark reveal his identity early on. And he begins to face peoples unrealistic expectation to him. By the time he faces off with Zod he is already an established hero, but the destruction make peoples question if Clark's presence on earth is still something good.

Forget even that. Why not just let Clark get the dog in the first place? Why is grandpa going back instead of the built-as-fuck 25 year old anyway?

> let me state how I think he is hot, even though Superman was a complete douchebag by threatening us and destroying military equipment and by leaving tons of wreckage for us to clean up.

Batman is forcing the world to make sense, and so at some level Batman himself is acknowledging that he has a skewed perspective and that he imposes his interpretations on reality rather than taking reality as it is, perhaps because reality is too painful or maybe he just thinks it’s non-sensical in general.

This is all blatantly false pretentious bullshit.

How did Clark manage to trick the guys in his office in the first place? I mean they all see him fighting Zod. Or did they know but decided to keep that as a secret?

Yes all of that was present in the movie, but you're over explaining it to such an extent that it comes off as much more impactful and moving in your text that in the movie itself. This didn't really need explaining, you're totally overdoing it. Again, not saying this is not a theme, but it is completely overshadowed by what is more primarily presented as his motivation, which is just being really pissed at Superman. Had what you're describing actually been the apparent center of Batman's character and the focus of his screen time the movie would of actually been good lol.

For example, his "his inability to handle his failures as both Bruce and Batman" is never portrayed other than showing Robin's costume for one second. As that's the basis of this entire motivation the movie failed to deliver it, but again im not saying its not there. You're just being pretentious about it.

I don't think Superman ever threat the military. He actually assists them and even cooperative when the military tries to negotiate with Zod.

>hurr durr i can't refute it so i'll just say its pretentious

stick to marvel movies please

Stick to actual cinema, your stupid memes are not interesting.

This is a forum for discussion, you fucking idiot. Otherwise there would be a 160 character limit.

>I pretend that there's anything to discuss regarding this bloated, pretentious toy catalogue to troll people.
Good for you.

>I want to assemble an army of expert special forces to terminate any target without mercy and without any possible chance of backfire since i can pin the blame in this guys instead. So let's see who should i pick, hmmm... a mentally deranged girl, a cannibalistic reptillian man, a fire bender, Will Smith, and maybe that aussie cunt too. Yeah perfect.

I don't pretend anything. I'm hear to learn something if anybody has anything to say. I see his post and then I see yours. Guess which is more convincing?

I typed out a response trying to take it seriously and you guys only responded to the one calling it bullshit.

That's what usually happens in these threads, they call it discussion but it's just circlejerking.

The first thing Superman says he confronts Batman is to listen. Batman didn't want to.

>I want to assemble an army of expert special forces to terminate any target without mercy and without any possible chance of backfire
>I will ask them to battle supernatural mutated monsters throughout an evacuated city to reach the building where I am holed up and then I will tell them to escort me up two flights of stairs

I could write a wall of text explaining the Freudian symbolism in Freddie Got Fingered but I'm not autistic enough to do that.

was that the plot?

I stopped paying attention to anything besides le accurate black man's quips halfway through

>men like that words don't stop them. You know what does? A fist.

It's almost as if the movie was making a point to paint Batman as an unreasonable crazy in Superman eyes.

>trying this hard to find value in the empty husk of capeshit that was BvS

No idea why this post is triggering people so hard. Now you're the underdog and I'm rooting for ya.

people fear what they don't understand

Well the movie itself said that things only make sense when you force them to.

The main theme of Snyder's "Batman v Superman" on spiritual dematerialism is not eschatological, but a phenomenological ontology. Thus he implies that we have to choose between predialectic construction and deconstructivist neodialectic theory, essentially Heideggerian as seen in the concept of Dasein. The subject is interpolated then into a cinematic dematerialism that includes spirituality as a whole. But if the Kierkegaardian worldview holds, we have to choose between the cultural paradigm of expression and atomism. In Snyder's own "Man of Steel" he has a character say that "the world's too big”. Inherent in this is how the function of Lebenswelt (cinematically translated by Snyder as "world of life") operates in all his films, chiefly in "Sucker Punch" and "300". We see a phenomenological approach to the world showing a cinematic logic that presupposes a structural constraint in rootedness, another intentionality central to his filmography and philosophy. Because "metaphysical comfort" is not an object of temporality per se, but rather an aspect of automatic condition, as suggested by Cavell. Hermeneutic interpretations are also apparent in his post-"Watchmen" movies; in fact the interchangeable subjectivities are but another representation of Husserl's and Wittgenstein's "form of life". As his academic hero Heidegger succintly noted, "freedom is the ‘abyss’ of Dasein, its groundless or absent ground". This is essentially the thesis operating in Snyder's films.

It's amazing some people think it's a valid complaint about the scene when literally the first thing Superman asks is for him to listen.

Is that why you still haven't seen anything by Peter Greenaway? Are you that scared of a filmmaker that can actually integrate his symbolism into his fiction?

>muh smart sounding words
This BvS pasta is the worst one of them all

If you can't pick out the false flags from the genuine posts you might have severe autism.

>this much backpedaling

Sorry but I only watch kinos by Snyder and Ayer.

>muh big words make me feel dumb dumb

>he main theme of Snyder's "Batman v Superman" on spiritual dematerialism is not eschatological, but a phenomenological ontology.

Wow, I was definitely thinking it was eschatological.

K I N O

I don't get it.

Did you not understand Bruce was not trying to listen to reason or logic? He had murderous intent on his mind and he was not going to stop no matter what. Clark also didn't have time to explain to Batman what the fuck was going on. The entire situation was engineered. Were you not watching the movie?

>be childhood-traumatized masked vigilante that is not completely sane
>further losing his mind over unstoppable alien force that came to his planet and fucked up a few thousand people in 20 minutes
>finally cracks after receiving letters that imply the alien is going to commit mass murder at his "trial"
>obtain weapon to kill alien, prep up, get swoler and 100% ready to kill
>idiots still think that if the alien said "Stop we shouldn't fight!" that he'd stop

Nobody would've noticed or remembered some guy grabbing someone and flying away
They don't even believe in UFOs

I'm sorry these dudes are attacking you man. I thought you put some nice thought into your post :).

TELL

So instead of refusing to fight like the real Superman would, he just gives into Batman's silly game.

Great movie!

THAT

BANE

As someone who enjoys BvS, i have to admit its one of the accidental charm of this movies. Its laughable and its flawed, but i have to admit, i found it more memorable than the functionally good but kind of bland Civil War.

Will he ever return to the DCEU?

>"his inability to handle his failures as both Bruce and Batman" is never portrayed other than showing Robin's costume for one second.

And only in the extended version.

>muh son is god and that makes me feel emasculated so Imma get that fuggin dog

Thank you, friendo

Not like I can comment since I haven't seen it but that's interesting. I would say I kinda want to rewatch it but I already found it too long as is. Maybe one day.

>Please Bruce listen to reason! I know deep down you are a good man.

Why/how did he know that? He knew him to be a dangerous maniac who crippled criminals

there's nothing worse than a bunch of fucking neckbeards arguing about capeshit and the supposed "depth" of the capeshit plot
ITS A CARTOON FOR KIDS ALL OF IT THEY JUST ADDED SOME COLOR CORRECTION AND SPLICED IN SHORT GRIM SENTENCES OH MY GOD ITS SO INTELLECTUALLY AROUSING I CANNOT KEEP MYSELF FROM TALKING ABOUT IT

grow the fuck up or kys

Before reading either post, what was your personal opinion on BvS?

>Bruce, i know you are deranged maniac who loves to torture and kill criminals (not that they don't deserve it, i did it once too with Zod lol). But i am going to try reason with you anyway, so i can save my mother and stop Luthor.

Huh...? That sounds kind of a weird reasoning.

What he wants to say here?

> I also killed that warlord a couple days ago. And yes he died after I tackled him at super speed through 3 concrete walls.
Is like getting hit by a train though walls with your flesh and bones exposed back.

>pretentious
Ah yes, the go to word for retards who can't understand a basic analysis that goes beyond "muh godd guys and bad guys".

Pretentious because it pretends to see more depth than there is in a toy catalogue.
Also your 2deep4u replies are just pathetism upon pathetism.

>that is, himself, for having gone completely over the edge and becoming a murderer

because batman never kills

>circlejerking
Do you even know what that word means? BvS threads are mostly filled with hate towards the movie, and the couple of posts where a guy trys to say something good about it are responded with more hate and non arguments.

If you want to get technical, the first time superman threw batman, batman should've been completely liquefied.

So this is really just zack snyder being fucking stupid.

Essay responses is a meme and bait.
DCucks actuary try to have a serious conversation responding to bait threads Kek.

Watch the ultimate cut pleb

I personally like the idea that everyone at the planet knows superman is clark kent, but are too afraid to say anything.

>but not muh Superman
Not a valid argument.

This was for you

these are people determined to ignore the movie's flaws because it had some nice ideas.

Basically the types of people who'd get angry at MST3K for making fun of movies with okay ideas but horrid execution.

Marketer

From the citizen's perspective he was basically a blue blur surrounded by explosions while everyone was running around screaming and trying to avoid falling buildings.

I assume it shows Superman's arc. Birth, coming of age (becoming a man), and death (sacrifice).

if only they had previously established this character as impulsive and kind of retarded

Not everyone is a retard who can't tell bait from genuine posts. Go back to Sup Forums.

So I guess lois really is telepathic, as she was able to discern from such blurs, miles away, that doomsday was kryptonian.

It wasn't just that. Pa Kent realized that his son was going to grow to be a god early on, and so, in his son's moment of weakness, he decided to teach him one final lesson - sacrifice. To do something for the greater good of everyone, even if it means sacrificing of yourself. A god who grows up not knowing the pain of loss and defeat will not know the pain that mortal men, and therefore will not act as a mortal does.

If Pa Kent didn't sacrifice himself there, Clark's true power might have been revealed - and he might have started using it to do whatever he wants, his way.