>ATTENTION! DON'T post Soundcloud, YouTube, or any other links where you are not anonymous (unless somebody asks you for it). That's considered self promotion and will result in bad feedback.
>Syntorial (widely considered the best place to go to learn synthesis) syntorial.com/
>Mr. Bill (Ableton based, some of the best sound design tutorials on the planet. Aimed more towards IDM-type stuff. He also posts his music here) youtube.com/user/MrBillsTunes
Even Barry beats has upgraded to the greatest daw of all time...time to throw the maschine out the window and get with the cool kids
James Moore
>play back EVP recording >spooky voice is heard >"did you high-pass everything bro?"
Jace Robinson
I wonder what it would sound like if /prod/ made an album.
Probably a mix between shitty trap beats and retarded dubstep
Aaron Morales
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that would normally just be called a Fm6 chord right?
Jaxson Adams
might i introduce you to the bandcamp?
prod.bandcamp.com
courtesy of the faggots in the discord
Justin Ross
I would've guessed Audacity vaporwave and FL Studio vaportrap.
>the faggots in the discord Is this worth getting into? I've never used discord before.
Benjamin Anderson
>Is this worth getting into? I've never used discord before. the short answer is no the long answer is fuck no
here's a link discord.me/prodthread
Dominic Baker
this chord doesn't feel christmasy to me desu. I get more of an impressionist vibe. Maybe like a light rain storm or something. What makes this a Christmas chord?
Wyatt Anderson
>horse click mouth sound
Hipster as fuck is how it sounds
Grayson Jenkins
I don't believe you would normally have the 6th interval in the bass, but depending on the context, sure.
m7b5 chords are extremely common in jazzland tho, and in the example vox is using, that is the correct notation. It's pretty asinine for them to call it christmasey tho
Christopher Perez
>Vox
Why are we even discussing this cancer? You dun goof'd OP
Austin Williams
i honestly think I just made the world album ever made... I need to go and actually learn how to make music properly
Camden Ramirez
>making a whole album of shit
Why? How do you not stop yourself? I have trouble keeping Ableton projects on my hard-drive
Julian Evans
i thought it was good at the time.... ..also I hoard my project files like a madman
Leo Brown
It doesn't matter if you think its good user. What matters is what everyone else thinks
Ryder Barnes
>make a super distorted song with lots of instruments >every master I try sounds like shit
goddamnit
Blake Campbell
what is this mastering shit anyway? I went to school for 4 years of composition just to be cockblocked by some bits and bytes?
Kevin Gomez
I totally know that feel. Its good for (me) but I don't want people to pass it off as shit. and there is moments it seems shit to me as well, it goes with being a amatur, but I am going to get the tracks mixed proffesionally, maybe will save a few of the weaker moments and if I need I can tweak the tracklist to make the album better
Xavier Robinson
it is what it is.
technically the pros don't master their own songs. They get another professional to do it.
but I guess that's how life goes with no money
Aaron Roberts
how much does that cost?
Nathan Martinez
also it would be easier if I owned monitors for mastering, but I only have headphones
Blake Jackson
$800
William Williams
also mastering included
Jeremiah Sanchez
..plus its the better option, I feel I am spoiled I have this advantage of paying for it, but not many proffesional artists out there mixed their own albums anyway, they had the same money advantage. If I one day went and really studied music and and programs I can do it on my own better, still can't mix it that great myself right now
Andrew Mitchell
Well post something. Its probably not worth paying 800 dollars unless the composition is really on point. How many tracks does that cover?
Jackson Price
Oh Christmas Chord, oh Christmas chord, D major se-ven flat five
Hudson Martinez
It's funny that that is the first thing you notice.
Asher Allen
...
Kevin Clark
Its not fully on point, a lot of it was improv, but still played in tempo (..and these recordings were made to be part of more regular sounding tracks) . All the stems and parts of the tracks are set for mixing though, is that good? Or does the improv factor make it not worth it?
I am really not sure I follow song seems ok, drums changing beats a little spontaneously
Jordan Gray
Why do people get so hung up on mastering? If you're releasing your music online just for fun, most of the work you should need to do is some EQing, compression and limiting.
I recently came across this video, which goes over the necessities in a clear and concise way:
if you think that song is in any way well crafted, you yourself probably could use some ear training. Save the money. I'm not saying give up or trying to be a dick. anyone can learn to create music but you're not ready to drop 800 dollars on mastering. Mastering is not your problem most likely.
Charles Mitchell
mixing mainly actually. What do you mean by well crafted? The track has a few things going for it, the reverb on the vocals makes it easier to listen to, simple catchy chorus that repeats, and drums that are simple enough to keep the track consistent. the chorus makes the track ok
Lincoln Ramirez
Every modulation is basically a total fuck up. No matter what the people in this thread say it actually matters which notes you are hitting.
Nathan Watson
well yeah the vocals are a bit all over the place but it can be overlooked, and after the reverb added
Anthony Wood
Okay just keep telling yourself that mixing and mastering magically makes music sound good. I'm sure if you side-chained this it would be a real banger.
ok I get what you are saying. And I have expressed that I should get into making music more properly. however that track is stil fun regardless mainly for the vocals that are like "What is Love?" esque. Music can be subjective. Yes I can do the music your way by the book, but I also wonder if I will just end up with trite garbage escentially, I mean we already know what works in music and to the human ear, if I follow that wouldn't I just get more of the same music that has been made before? I am listening to my album now and I can say that it stays consistent enough to stay interesting. ..Enough for mixing or not?
Anthony Diaz
the misconception about the book is that its a set of rules. They're really more like guidelines so you don't fuck around like a monkey at a typewriter and you actually have an idea of what you're doing. But at the very least I would recommend going to musictheory.com and doing the interval and chord ear training until you can reliably identify all the chords and intervals. The thing is there are notes you aren't even thinking about because thinking about those intervals is actually a skill in itself and being able to hear and replicate them is an invaluable skill that will allow you to take your music to fascinating new places. Take this from a guy who chose to slum it in the anti-theory school of resentment for half a decade.
Dylan Cox
ok what kind of music did you end up making after knowing the theories? Were you happy with it? would you want to post it?
Parker Morales
Well here is a sketch where I attempted to render something pleasant and accessible using 12 tone technique (a technique designed to structure atonal music). So I suppose this is the most theoretically-based thing I have to share. A guy I know actually used it as background music in a video he did.
well I mean, yeah, like I mentioned in the other post this ends up sounding like something not unlike alot of musc made before. Are you really glad that your years of music theory experience added up to making elevator music?
Joseph Baker
My Yamaha FB-01 finally died so i need a replacement for my FM stuff.
I can get a DX27 in great condition for $180, or a DSR-500 for $99.
I also have a V-machine VST module that i could put DEXED onto but that takes effort and i mainly use FM for retrowave and SEGA style music.
What should i do?
Connor Diaz
I don't even...
Asher Ross
what are you really making this music for? .......If it is still trite garbage?
Oliver Bennett
Look man its not that you have to like the music but if this is what passes for logic at the head office I definitely feel bad for your brain. There is no connection between theory and elevator music. What do you like. Radiohead?
And even if you don't think theory is important, because I wont deny bangers have been written without it, there is no downside to training your ear except you have to actually do some work and not be a lazy cunt.
Noah Stewart
its not the point wether its likeable or not. Of course its likeable if you do it your way, that doesn't mean the music isn't absolutely pointless to make more of.
Angel Carter
Don't you suppose if you write music in the "likeable" way then you might actually like the music you create better yourself? And for the, possibly last, time interval training has nothing to do with theory, its just developing some innate musical sense.
Andrew Young
Does it have to be enjoyable, does it have to be entertaining? Then is it really art anymore, or just entertainment? Then what, the someone listening pats you on the back, tells you good job, that was enjoyable...and yet they can get the same enjoyment from hundrends of albums. Is it really worth it,
Josiah Johnson
>years
Try not even a year. like 8 months of learning theory and ear training have served me infinitely better than 5 years of fucking around in the swamp of masturbatory juices you are steeped in right now (and you don't even know it).
I disagree. It was not a waste, it gave me experience on artistic expression in music and in making music >all the good art is made already Pretty much. If you are restricting it to having to be enjoyable, then there is not much room at this point for anything new that is worth making. ..A painting that looks exactly like the other, beautiful painting, yet depicts an event that hasn't been explored before in a painting, is just the same basic painting in new shoes
Aiden Gomez
>art shouldn't be enjoyable
Oh so you're a degenerate then. Oh well, carry on.
Jack Nguyen
>art is hollow entertainment ok carry on making trite garbage to ironically get masterbated over by someone else, like its some kind of sport compitition
Carter Hughes
Who the hell do you think you are? You’re any kind of artist? Anybody know who you are? Maybe evrybody else wants to enjoy the peace and quiet. This is one of the most important places in North America and who are you? Who are you? You miserable presumptious no talent. You’re no artist.
An artist respects the silence, it serves the foundation of creativity. You obviously don’t have the talent. You don’t have enough respect for yourself or other people, or know what it means to respect yourself. In music or any form of creativity.
And I’m an NYU fil-school graduate. Sucker. And the School of Visual Art in the Academy of Art University in San Fransisco. You suck. You’re a no talent. If you really have talent, go practice. And then get yourself a gig, instead of ruining the day for everybody down here. You disgrace.
You are everything that’s gone wrong in this world. You’re a self consumed, no-talent, mediocre piece of shit. And I’ve earned my right to say it. Okay? In 1975, I walked Bob Dylan up on stage. Who the fuck are you? I knew the Grateful Dead from 1966. Who the fuck are you? You’re nothing. You are nothing. And you will never be anything. Never. How dare you? You miserable, mediocre nothing. Shame on you.
You crack a stupid little smile, you little pimp. Go learn to play. You’re flat. You can’t even carry a fucking note. I don’t care about your little horn lip, it doesn’t mean you know how to play. You’re flat. I’ve trained classically, I’ve trained contemporaneously, and you suck.
Ian Clark
If you didn't want to make trite garbage then I guess you should have been a prodigy and born considerably earlier. Nobody in these /prod/ threads can really hope to produce anything but "trite garbage" and especially not if they continue to operate under snowflake logic.
Jaxon Hughes
Holy shit, really enjoying the degeneration of this strawman. Keep up the good work bozos.
Ian Cooper
Or how about don't force people to make trite garbage and music people hundreds of years ago already done. Or if I don't want to make trite garbage then I should just kill myself because people will only listen to music that "sounds good" So again why are you making music? Its to stroke your own ego?
Juan Johnson
>Nobody in these /prod/ threads can really hope to produce anything but "trite garbage"
project harder?
Michael Sullivan
Just post a snippet of your music. You act like you have some big vision and moments ago you were talking about how bad your music was. And now I tried to tell you what you can do to understand how to make better music and you've gone full Douglas Levison. You're the one making music to stroke your own ego. I just make music for personal enjoyment and to ultimately produce music that is a synthesis of things I like in other music. And also because what else is there to do? More boring normie bullshit?
Brody King
That guy's definition of "trite garbage" is fairly expansive.
Elijah Watson
you are basically making boring normie music. The only difference is you made it, so it can't be lame right!? Also no, my music is not that good, objectively. But I am still hoping to give an emotional, and honest experience. Maybe even learn from it and others can too. Thats all, I am trying to not make it about ego so much,
Jonathan Gomez
you are so pretentious and up your own ass that you aren't even capable of honesty or genuine emotion. That's the ironic thing.
Also if you really want to "stick it to the man" and create something nobody could possibly enjoy. Well there's possibly even more theory involved in that.
I should also say I really hate these guys and this kind of music. But the point is no matter what you want to do with music its going to involve manipulating ratios of frequencies. Even if your a postmodernist deconstructionist asshole like Boulez here.
Leo Bell
I can imagine a lot of my post can be relatable. you don't have to think in black and whites. What if the pretenciousness and getting over it is actually part of the music? I know my limitations, I know these struggles have to actually be in the music if I want to make something honest, since I don't study or read music, and I have this struggle to make something good, or actually looking for something more. You making this music by the book, how do you have room for your own genuine emotions then, and what you are playing is it just pre-written and obvious excersizes that elicit certain emotions, like it is all phoned in
Hudson Brooks
I know who's side I'm on and it isn't the guy who thinks he can come up with greatness by bumbling into producing like a fucking idiot
Matthew Anderson
ok cool, not going to make a difference, enjoy your future 10/10 Best New Music award from Pitchfork, only a few asterisks, you phoned it in, went by the book and basically made the same album as another band
Caleb Allen
Yeah I said all that to myself too. I actually did this in other disciplines. I was the guy who bought a typewriter to be a "true writer". I was that guy. Now you're being that guy. Don't be that guy.
Anthony Gonzalez
ok convince me thats an empty statement
Logan Turner
The reason good music is good is not because its made to order. You've reversed the cause and effect here. Music is first good and then entertaining. Its good when it represents the genuine struggle and efforts of the artist to understand the universal principles governing what makes music appealing, invigorating, sorrowful, terrifying, impactful. These principles are essentially mathematical and built into every single resonant sound and represented in the overtone series. Now that might sound materialistic as if I'm trying to pull back the curtain and ruin everything. But if you ask me it only speaks to the beauty in music because it creates a language of music we can know is universal and therefore meaningful. Probably the worst thing the musician can do is make himself defiant of these principles through a total unwillingness to even entertain their integrity. If there is no genuine effort to understand the laws and engage with them then the musician cannot produce anything of substance. He can engage with them explicitly- or for the lucky few- by his nature, but at some point he will need to learn to speak the musical language to accomplish musical ends, whether those are constructive or destructive. And this is true of any other form of art. What we find sustains us in art are the same things we find sustaining in nature.
William Williams
clyp.it/q0ji4lfh Can I get critique on my raps and beatmaking? Any tips on how I can improve? I feel like my weak, raspy voice is holding me back.
Nice drumming my guy. Love the christmas-y chimes. Bass is a bit too loud and repetitive but that's not really that noticable.
Christian Lee
>mfw doing the "random audio" option
Leo Clark
how do you nerds even acquire decent drum samples
Sebastian White
I make clicking sounds with my mouth like an inbred
Jackson Rodriguez
This is a solid no from me too. It’s way worse there than you could ever imagine...unless you have a pretty good imagination I guess.
Jeremiah Jones
that's... intimidating
Mason King
I’m with the other guy. I didn’t bother to listen to either of their music as on phone, but go create and be creative. The more you get spoonfed into how to be creative the more likely you are to turn into the spoon. I’ve heard enough verse,chorus,verse shit in my time, breakdowns and drops.
Asher Brown
>poster count doean't go up
hmm
Jordan Foster
Cheers dude. I'm not too well versed with critiquing rap but for your beat, the bass is quite overpowering so you could trying pulling it back a bit.
Josiah Russell
I have a couple of questions regarding fx pedals . I know i can process guitar pedals on Ableton and record bass/guitar through an audio interface but can the same pedals be used to effect the midi mapping?
Jace Howard
>poster count doean't go up No it won’t as I have already posted in this thread. 10/10 observance. I’m not who you are implying I am though
Charles Cruz
anyone?
Carter Perry
Yes buy another FM synth to replace it or use FM8
Nicholas Reyes
Does RME still have the best driver support of or PC? I need a new interface
Jordan Clark
Gonna build a short wave radio module today. Can’t fucking wait. (Pic related)
Joshua Ramirez
Opps forgot pic in all my excitement
Daniel Kelly
that chord triggers me its terrible, should be B instead of C
Ian Bell
C is the flat 7 though
Jordan White
I'm looking to create Industrial music with a drum sound akin to early Laibach, Godflesh, etc. Would an Alesis SR16 be good at this? I know Godflesh used a similar drum machine.
