All memes aside, what is the actual solution to radical islam?

All memes aside, what is the actual solution to radical islam?

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An understanding of these peoples mindsets and WHY they want to kill Americans and Westerners.

Why do they hate us so much? Maybe because we invaded their countries for oil and opium, and killed their families and friends? We operate drones over their homes and strike without thinking. If someone did that to you, wouldn't you fucking hate them as well?

Sup Forums seems to not be able to think critically when it comes to cultural and religious differences. They just see someone different and yell "BUILD THE WALL, LE TRUMP 2016, MEEEEMEESSS. KILL ALL MUSLIMS" without actually looking at the much larger picture.

or because allah told them to
also
>middle east
>opium

Same as it's always been:

>KILL THEM ALL!

with all that in mind, what's the next step? The damage is done, how do we set things straight?

We tried to give them democracy, something they can't handle. And in doing so we destabilized the entire region. And now it's just one big contest for whose rule is most legitimate and who is toughest.

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There is none. This shit has been going on for 1400 years.

They can't be bargained with. They can't be reasoned with. They don't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And they absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead!

Nuclear fire will purify

Ban Assault Religions


it's 2016 ffs.

The 1st amendment was written over 200 years ago. They did not intend for it to protect radical Islam.

stop supporting Jizzrael

Just read the Quran, dude. It tells you EXACTLY they want to kill us all. Read it myself, and now I'll never trust a mudslime again.

Glass the middle east

Construct several black boxes at all corners of the world so that they become so dizzy trying to pray that their heads explode

Stop fighting wars for Israel and don't let them into the West. Pretty simple. The reason we can't do that is because Jews run the West and make both happen.

You neglected to include "KILL THEM ALL" as a potential solution.

the final solution

Why should we give up our consumption and dominance to appease inferior people?

Imperium Invicta.

>Maybe because we invaded their countries for oil and opium, and killed their families and friends? We operate drones over their homes and strike without thinking. If someone did that to you, wouldn't you fucking hate them as well?

That never happened to Saudi Arabia, Iran, or any muslims that have immigrated to Europe or America.

this.

Russia x China x China Start on 3 sides and meet in the middle. Use total war tactics, kill everything including civilians and children. No Muslim can be trusted

Bummer Islam

The first step is to contain Islam in its reservation ie. "Islamic" countries.

Right now they are needed in order to make people scared, and support a police state, and surveillance and a more authoritarian government. in N. America and Europe.

Less freedom of speech and association are coming.

Once that is sufficiently in place they will have to be pacified. My guess is that they will do it like in Russia and China, where influence form middle eastern clarics is forbidden, and a government moderator will participate in all gatherings to insure nothing radical is taught.

I think it;s all part of a greater plan for the new world order and a globalist authoritarian regime.

Dumb piece of shit. Let me say this right out of the bat : you're right in parts.

Now that being said, Islam is fucking shit ALL ON ITS OWN. Regardless of what we did to them, of what we can do to them, Muslims will always be a seditious, deleterious and treasonous element in our societies because it is a COMPLETE SYSTEM OF LIFE including a POLITICAL SYSTEM.

The end.

"Radical" Islam has been continual since its inception in the 7th century. You either ban it, kill it, or be conquered by it. There is a reason Japan doesn't have to put up with this shit.

The final one

Love of course

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>All memes aside, what is the actual solution to radical islam?

Conversion to Christianity.

Not even joking. And I don't mean forcible conversion. I mean real grass roots preaching and testifying.

Targeting Muslim areas and citizens with literature and Christian testimony.

You can't kill an idea with bullets. Going to war with islam in a military manner will never work.

The only way you can truly defeat Islam is by converting it's followers to another religion.

Then Islam will cease to exist.

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Extirpation.

In the face of this statement all I get is incredulity. Never have I heard a counter-argument that persisted for more than one sentence.

Christianity had a reformation several hundred years ago. There have always been giant debates too.

Islam will never and has never had this. Islam cannot reform itself. They are simply no intelligent enough. Its like asking niggers to fix Africa without the help of whites, it wont work.

Muslims and Islam has ALWAYS been at war with the west and whites.

You really want to know how to solve it? Kill every single man and child and rape the women until you completely erase their entire race. After that, destroy the ideas so that they may never return.

You kill your enemies down to the last man. Only then can you have peace.

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we need to show them more love and not give in to their hatred

Don't defend muslims and verbally berate and shame them wherever you find them until they stop supporting this horrid shit.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)"

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward "

So that's one vote for 'KILL THEM ALL".

Nice to see someone finally agrees with me, even if it is a fucking nazi.

exactly, that's just what they want. we need to smother them with love

The solution is 100% oil independence and imbargo/sanctions on purchasing Saudi oil, and a confiscation of any Saudi oil wealth held in US based banks. As well as banning all immigration from radicalized countries.

Force them straight back camel-fucking sand farming days.

The last thing we need is an Iraq 2.0 though, spending tax dollars and soldier's lives to civilize these fuckers is a wasteful endeavor that only serves to line (((their))) pockets.

>Conversion to Christianity.
It would be easier to convert them to atheism, since it's a more rational position.

>All memes aside, what is the actual solution to radical islam?
End Saudi Arabia. Promote a revival of secular nationalism in the Middle East.

By stop funding ISIS, and arming public and commercial places (especially the "sensitive" ones like clubs) but it would benefit pedestrians way more than the ones in power, so you're all fucked.

>since its a more rational position

Kill them all

globalists stop fucking the Islamic world over... muslims kept in their containment zones... maintaining technological supremacy to ensure they don't try their luck in future (this may go against point one)

Seems like you answered it yourself? Islam only understands might is right. Show them might, I mean

The minute the Western elites stop enabling it, it will become a self-solving problem. Muslims don't like each other very much either.

Label it as a Sexual-Religions-Ideology or Political-Sexual-Movement or a Misogynistic-Ideological-Cult not a Religion in the normal sense.

Cicero?

Nice autistic comic.

Not possible. The entire basis of their religion is how Judaism and Christianity have "gone astray" and are corrected by God who gave the instructions to Muhammad.

Any attempt to convince them otherwise will just bring up a wave of cognitive dissonance in the Persons mind.

Wow... really.......... makes.........

Kill them all. Isolate them if you don't have the stomach for the dirty work. But they cannot stay together with other ideologies, and eventually attack you, even if you put all of them back to the middle east. So you would just delay the inevitable kill them all phase, it is either them or everyone else...

Also this, Saudi Arabia is patient 0

Nice autism philosophy.

Those Islamic countries would still be horrible, barbaric places to live even if we weren't bombing the shit out of them

>triple-layer shitpost cake

BURN THEM ALL

You can't win because you are stuck in the post-enlightenment mindset every westerner has. You believe in nothing.

The solution is to let Islam win.

>triple-layer illogical shitpost
plato.stanford.edu/entries/induction-problem/

Fuck off from the middle east, don't let them in outside of exceptional individuals and allow them to develop on their own. Christians used to execute gays and torture and burn men and women for following other religions or being heretics. Just leave them alone and they will develop on their own. The problems with the middle east and Africa are due almost entirely to colonialism, we gave modern technology and attempted to force modern governments on people who weren't socially developed enough for them while establishing arbitrary borders with no regards for religions or cultures.

Nice gay paedophile faggot religion.

I've used this explanation before because it really is an accurate description of why Africa and the Middle East are fucked up. Imagine it is 500 B.C. and magic negros or aliens or whatever start to suddenly appear in Europe. They mostly stay in the southern states but set up trade outposts across Europe. The magic negros or aliens then begin to trade guns and other weapons for slaves or raw materials that are harder to find elsewhere. Some of the countries in Southern Europe adapt well to the changes due to prolonged trade with the negros/ayys but even they are still extremely culturally backwards. Then suddenly in 100 B.C. the magic negros suddenly divide up Europe between them along arbitrary borders and actively try to spread their religion. They maintain these colonies for less than a century before leaving, but when they leave they establish countries with arbitrary borders and democracies.

So imagine one of these new countries is made up of say all lands between the Elbe, Pyrenees, and Alps and is made up of a mixture of Gauls and Germans. The Germans are a minority in the country and mostly adopted the magical negro religions, and thus were used as low level administrators in the Gallic regions as well as the German regions. Suddenly you have backwards people holding animosity towards each other living in a democracy, the Gauls would almost certainly attempt to get revenge on the Germans or the Germans would attempt to maintain their power and influence despite being minorities. Either of those situations are very likely to result in armed conflict or a full fledged genocide.

The same solution people have practiced for thousands of years. Muslims respect strength and prey on weakness. If you bloody their nose, they leave you alone and go back to beating up on little girls and women. Just think Jaffa, Poitiers, and Tripoli.

>implying

Actually they got mad because we stopped letting them grow opium, which was their only income after the invasions. Learn your fucking history retard. MUH WAR FOR OIL

Islam only started getting radical in the 20th Century as the Islamic identity meme (from Palestine) and the Kill-Innocents / Qutbist memes (from Egypt) proliferated.

In short, it will take a war of memetic attrition.

Genocide.

I want my 30 seconds back.

Stop fighting proxy wars with Russia in the Middle East and secretly funding a new terrorist organization the second the one currently in power decides to bite the hand that armed it.

We might get a few more terrorist attacks before they get bored and go back to hating each other for ever so slightly different interpretations of the Quran.

From there they either murder themselves out of existence or realize religion is inferior to rational secularism as a means of organizing your society and join the rest of us in the modern world.

Either way, problem solved.

and nothing to do with saudi wahhabism ?

We nuke Saudi Arabia. They are the source of all radical Islam.

Radical Islam is not something we should be worried about. This can and will be dealt with once the West finds its balls again.
It's not that hard to start raiding salfist mosques, deporting families and accomplices of known families and banning them from the country for life, cleaning out the filth from muslim ghettos, etc...

No, what people should be worried about is mainstream islamic culture, which is far more insidious and dangerous in the ong run. You know, the everyday seemingly normal, "moderate" muslims, the ones that wont kill you, but will gleefully cheer on when the next bomb goes off. The ones that will then help and protect known mass murderers because they're doing gods work and because they're one of their own. Prime example of this is Molenbeek. The opinion polls taken from mudslimes living in Europe are quite telling as well.
And the sooner people realize this, the sooner it can be dealt with, for good.

Underrated

Total state control over who gets to be imam in mosques. Banning foreign powers (cough Saudi) from funding islamic education in your country. Reward and give publicity to the imams who swear allegiance to you in both their words and their policies. Active programs to promote assimilation. Done in China. Done in Singapore. Done in Russia. Cost effective, but not a complete solution, needs to be paired with other active measures against terrorists.

Wahhabism is deeply conservative, and violent with respect to punishment within its communities.

Wahhabism didn't become a particularly violent force until it got mixed with the aforementioned memes, particularly when Qutb's brother fled Egypt and began teaching in Saudi Arabia after Nasser executed Qutb and suppressed the MB.

wrong cato

>*outwardly violent force

It follows, either way, that Wahhabis shouldn't be allowed to dominate other societies or they will enforce their conservative ideals (and harsh punishments) on those they rule over.

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Racial jealousy because they don't invent anything

There isn't one. The West is already dead and is waiting for someone to put it out of its misery.

It won't be slow and manageable either, we're looking at a breakup so spectacular and violent that something like it hasn't been seen for centuries.

There are too many nations around the world with long, bitter grudges against whites/the West for this to end easily. This won't be just Muslims getting revenge, it will be a massive score-settling that will involve everyone from the Arabs to the Mexicans to the Africans to the Chinese.

What whites in South Africa are experiencing now is only the merest hint of what is to come.

Cato the elder

They invaded half of Europe
Murdered
Raped
And kidnaped
Destroyed local politics and economy
They grew to big to manage themselves
Collapse
Get colonized
Treated gently compared to their ancestors crimes
> they are pices of shit
>they want to kill Americans because they are not Islam

When was a Roman ever wrong?

Top kek.

>execute gays and heretics
Not like Islam. Never as often or as violently.
The kill count attributed to Islam dwarfs Christianity's and every other religion's combined.
The first mistake we can make is putting others right next to Islam, they're not comparable.

youtube.com/watch?v=P2FZUzEa74o

Are you the lad I shut down in a long argument about two years ago? It ended with him not being able to refute what I was saying -- he stopped posting. I can't remember if you were tripshitting then.
Basically, the philosophical claim was some Hume-tier shit that was flaunted by the poster as a logical tautology, but was incompatible with itself. Was that you? I would be surprised if you refined that garbage and are still carrying it around.
Do you conduct proxy arguments using comics and links now?

Radical christianity.

Thanks, senpai. You leaves are alright

>Iranians Moroccans and Afghans hate america because of Israel.
they cant even locate us on a map.
our existence has 0 effect on their lives.

No it is literally the wrong Cato. That is a picture of Cato the Elder. He died 200 years before imperialism. Cato the Younger is the one who opposed Caesar

> islam genocided 80 million hindus.

"Islam is a religion of peace"

>Et tu, Kim?
You should like whites for saving you from japs, and protecting you from the commies, your kin that was left alone now grazing grass.

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What I think or indeed Koreans think is irrelevant to the point I'm making.

Should have stamped out their retarded practices a century ago like the Brits did in India or like we did/tried in Indonesia. It's too late now without a war (which we are not prepared to fight).

Okay, this argument fails hard when you consider other people that American/West have done the same treatment.

E.g.: Vietnam. We raped Vietnam HARD. Like beat them, forced them to fuck a dog, uploaded on internet hard. There were a ton of Vietnamese refugees in the US, and the communists had large legitimate grassroots support. Did the Vietnamese come to the US and bomb us? They had every reason to.

Likewise we killed a fuckton of Japanese civilians, and there was never an organized movement to attack american civilians.

Why? Because both the viets and japs share an east asian culture that though developed separately from the West, share similar core values. Primarily a lawful society, value of education, and a sense of honor in life. It's not COMMON or considered NORMAL in their society to behead disbelievers, or stone women, or view outsiders as animals.

Only way to end islam is to
>Create IO's banned for countries with religious political parties/majoritarian muslim
>Create regulations inside countries which makes every form of discourse related to islam a criminal offence
>Push memes showing islam = terrorists
>Exclude muslims from any form of security

Bonus:
>Subvert puppet states to do local genocides

Christianity, somehow, got moderated to the point where Christian violence is very rare compared to the Islamic variety, so long-term put the Islamic world through that.

That's gonna take a while, obviously, so until then be very strict about immigration from that region. Also stop trying to take down regional dictators, Saddam was an asshole but not as much as ISIS, we'd probably be better off with him still around.