Ok pol, redpill me on why homosexuality is bad. I'm straight personally...

Ok pol, redpill me on why homosexuality is bad. I'm straight personally, I'm sort of indifferent towards homosexuals as I don't see them as evil or sick but rather just disgusting.

The way I see it is that christian values are what makes homosexuality 'bad', to me the whole scenario is comparable to someone picking their nose and eating it, it's disgusting and you don't want to see it but at the end if the day it doesn't harm you.

Here's where I get confused though, I really, really dislike transgenders. There's something so false about it, you're either a man or a woman, hetero or homo, I reckon transgenders are attention seeking or trying to be a special snowflake and stand out. With homosexuality it just happens I guess.

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In the book The Way of Men, it's put pretty clear

Homophobia is innate in humans because men who are feminine are seen as weak and untrustworthy in times of crisis.

Homosexual men in the West are obsessed with hedonism, pleasure, and have a distinct lack of honor (loyalty to you or anyone else) because their whole life is "me me me me."

As a result, gay culture is toxic because it breeds a society of ego, no honor, and hedonism.

Homosexual men are taking the role of women when they like men, and we see women as bystanders in their natural role, so we see gay men as broken USELESS men.

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Jack Donovan is literally a fag.

yes, and?

one of his books addresses gay men to abandon gay culture and gay identity.

Interesting, so would you say homosexuality is a slippery slope to other more extreme degeneracy? Do you think if left unchecked it breeds more homosexuals?

So what the fuck does he do?
Does he plan to be a permavirgin for life?
Or push his flaccid pecker into women with disgust?

it's a culture that breeds weak men.

It encourages homosexuals to abandon the honor (cultural standards of morality set for the nation) of their people to pursue their own personal pleasures.

The more traction gay culture gets, the more it is encouraged for gays to be part of it and they are seen as weird for not being total degenerates.

Past a certain point, that way of hedonism definitely spreads to other people and the culture of "me only" infects normal people as well.

What I don't get is that Christian's always get upset over homosexuals. I mean why not just say "Ok. Your going to hell." and move on.

Its like the Christians are afraid, that homosexuality is going to make them gay or something. Like they are one gay pride parade away from having buttsex with another man.

So you think you will turn gay if homosexuals will have their way?

Because proselytism is an integral part of Christianity. You're supposed to want to excise the sin from your life and teach others to do the same because ultimately a life free from sin is the best life.

no, I just think that if I were gay, and raised in a country that encouraged this behavior, I'd be pressured to become part of it as it would be the norm to me.

As a straight, though, I see rampant casual sex, drug use, orgies, and extreme fetishes being proudly displayed spreading from the gay community to normal people who tolerate it.

If they tolerate that garbage, some will think what's so bad about acting like them.

No he still fucks other men. He just acts like a hyper-masculine caricature of a straight man.

>Yeah, I've been a top for years. I basically fuck men like they are women -- but I'm glad that they're not. I'm banging this jacked rich liberal right now. Probably the best piece of ass I've ever had. I've had sex with women, but I've been with one guy for 14 years, so there is no question of...switching teams...in any meaningful way. He's a good guy who supports me and my work and always has. I have a dude on the side, but it's all on the level, and betraying Lucio -- who became blood-brothers with me for my second book, and has my initials tattooed (by me) on his arm -- because I decided to "explore other ideas for philosophical reasons" would be the homo version of "Eat, Pray Love."

>Here's where I get confused though, I really, really dislike transgenders. There's something so false about it, you're either a man or a woman, hetero or homo, I reckon transgenders are attention seeking or trying to be a special snowflake and stand out. With homosexuality it just happens I guess.

Why though? There's no more evidence that homosexuality as an orientation* is a part of the natural order of things than transgenderism.


>muh animals
*homosexual behavior in animals has been observed, but not a full orientation. Yes, sometimes a male animal will butt fuck another male, especially if there are a lack of females. But they always go back to their heterosexual behavior.

Aids, degeneration of families and white birth rates. I'm against killing and jailing gays, but keep them out ouf the public eye and don't enable their special snowflake syndrome. Pretty much what Russia and China do.

I think some christians worry about the longterm effects of homosexuality, how it will spread to children and what not.

Sure, there are christians that hate it because it is against their Gods will too.

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>casual sex
>drug use
>orgies

and what problems do these cause?

You're getting into ethics user. Modified divine command theory would say (iirc) that homosexual actions are contrary to the commands of a loving God, which is what makes it immoral.

Homosexual orientation is not an active, willing choice, and is therefore not considered immoral. Fantasizing about Ahmed filling up your boipucci while stuffing a banana in your ass then would be a voluntary action, and contrary to the commands of a loving God, and therefore immoral.

If you suspend judgement on the God question and choose not to believe in God (atheist or agnostic) then you have no source of objective morality other than appeals to "muh human empathy" and cannot reasonably object to homosexual actions in private.

LGBT faggot culture however can be condemned by everyone because it encourages promiscuity and unfaithfulness, all of which weaken the moral fabric of our society, indirectly contributing to single motherhood and the welfare state.

spread and promote disease, degeneracy, emasculation and hedonism

do not procreate

live only forthemselves, very selfish

Pretty sure most Christfags do act that way. There is like a small but vocal minority of fundies who hate gays. Totally overblown.

Most Christfags are somewhere between "Being gay is a sin but I still love you and will pray for you" and openly celebrating faggotry (Episcopalians and other liberal protestants basically worship faggots).

People who actually hate gays and beat them up tend to be irreligious types.

Are there any sources from the last 2 decades?

A physically and mentally unhealthy society.

Do they have so little faith in their faith, that they fear they and all their children will go full homo as soon as they see two men kissing?

Its not bad, its just annoying faggotry.

They also vote in favor of muslim immigrants, because theyd honestly vote left no matter what happens.

Theyre like the lefts version of rednecks.

I agree with you, but how in your opinion does it affect families other than 2 potential families not being formed?

Homosex is bad, because you're pretty much denying millions of years of strait sex that got you there in the first place.
By this process, your body and mind have been fine tuned to fug girls, and girls only.
Being homosexual is equivalent to wanting the human race dead. So you might as well be dead to me.

Hosexuality isn't the problem. It is the forcing of society to accept all things ab-normal or degenerate as normal and desirable.
Once upon a time, a gay person did their part, and was gay at home. Now they are just all over, asking for rights, dressing and acting stupid and claiming oppression when that ends badly.
We baby people and it is a problem. It leads to weak individuals. This is part of an obvious plan to destroy the west.

why don't you go and have a look?

I'm pretty sure there will be info on STDs, but I think they are trying to cover up the promiscuity and pedophilia

There has been lots of homosex throughout the history of mankind. Its probably more popular than you think.

Ur pretty dumb m8

It does a number on kids' and teens' forming brains, especially in a society where gays squeal about "straight privilege" and being "oppressed" opens a lot of doors career -and social standing-wise.

As in. Chances are you had an ancestor who had homosex.

Probably took it in the butt and enjoyed it too.

Saved thanks

Pedophilia and bestiality as well.

p spooky post m8

> the cultural degeneration of the society is not harmful
> nor the massive drain of druggers, the spreading diseases and parental irresponsibility

Gay couples have a "manly" and "womanly" in the same way that a pair of chopsticks has a knife and fork.

...

Drug use, slovenliness, and promiscuity didn't start with GLBT people.

I'm just stating facts. Homosexuals can't reproduce. Therefore they're useless to the human race. 100% homosex fag throughout history had a mom and dad.

Most straights HAVE basically turned gay. The whole casual sex, multiple partners, sterility.....even the recent popularity of anal sex and other deviant practices.

Heterosexuality today is largely just an imitation of homosexuality. Homosexual attitudes toward have taken the entire public sphere.

Homosexuality does not make you sterile

Gays probably wouldn't be reproducing anyways.

Because some people for some reason care who other people theyve never met fuck in their own bedrooms, out of sight.

homosexual acts are wrong because they're unnatural, that is, they go against the nature of human reproductive organs, which is ultimately procreative. all similar acts such as masturbation or oral sex are also homosexual in this sense and therefore sinful and to be condemned.

Shooting your load into an anus does though.

listen to common filth

See
Most of the sources are 25+ years old at this point.

I don't think you understand biology

Not everyone is fine tuned to go after just the opposite sex.

wow, explain to me how that would work out?

Nowhere near as common.

Reproduction isn't the meaning of life.

promotes degeneracy and the group consists of ppl who will never be satisfied and push for more degeneracy

>nature of reproductive organs
If you mean they're just for reproduction, that's not true. Humans and most other intelligent species perform non procreative sexual activity all the time.

homosexuals:

>can have children with a woman if they chose to

>not slaves to women, women have no sexual power over gays

>not a cuck to societal norms

>strong sub cultural emphasis on fitness and aesthetics

>generally considered to have higher median IQ than hereto-normies

>generally end up having higher paying jobs due to preference for highly specialized careers

and you wonder why people want to hate gays :^)

Yes you are.
If you're too lazy to do it, your bad genes shall die with you.

We don't know the Grand Plan of whatever created the Universe. But we do know that reproduction is vital to the human race.
I'd feel very empty, getting to my late years, and not having kids.

Explain how anal sex wouldn't make you sterile? Do you even understand what you're arguing

I guess I am mate. I didn't really know it had a title or anything I just like to think about things and discuss.

You mentioned atheism and agnosticism, I've been thinking about what makes a person believe in a deity that we have no tangible evidence for.

There are very intelligent people on both sides of the theist and atheistic spectrum, I believe many subconciously believe whatever suits them though, many would never admit it, many would believe their own bullshit.

For example, a filthy pervert may try very hard to convince himself that there is no God.

Whereas a theist may believe that there is a God as it explains everything much easier.

>Sup Forums getting butthurt over gay and bi men
>doesn't mention anything about lesbians (probably due to it being sexually attractive and therefore alright).
>implying that "not reproducing and therefore useless" actually matters as the world is overpopulated already
>implying Sup Forums actually cares about the state of the world in the first place and isn't just becoming a cesspool of people trying to prove themselves to internet strangers by being masculine.

There is no logical reason to dislike the act of homosexuality itself. It occurs in a lot of species, has no negative impact on human survival. Homos contribute to society in other ways than making kids and being conventionally masculine.

Great artists like Leonardo Da Vinci, Raphael, Michelangelo, Oscar Wilde and H.C. Andersen engaged in sex with other men(or wished for it in Andersen's case).

I guess WW2, the crusades and the discovery of America never happened then

I'm actually saying it does. Please rewind a few comments.

There is literally nothing wrong with living for yourself

The decadence of the Holy Roman Empire.

if you don't care about the survival of your family, people and race, there is something wrong with you, you wre probably brainwashed by the kike indoctrination

you poor faggot

Homosexuality is not abiding by basic rules of nature.

This also applies to straight anal sex, you are damaging your partner anus tissue and infecting very fragile part of body.

>somehow sex influences the economy
>somehow sex influences a countries defense

It sort of is. In a roundabout way, with no reproduction there is no life. Our only instincts are concerned with the preservation or procreation of life. When you boil it all down and take it back to the simplest terms we are just vehicles for our penises which in turn are vehicles for life. When you are long dead the only mark you will leave are your descendants, and they came from your nob. There is literally nothing else.

>god hates gays

>puts the male g spot (prostate) up the ass

what if he actually likes watching it?

That's fine.

You can live to procreate, I will live to make money, read, learn as much as possible, and generally try to end up living as comfortably as possible.

You are failing to make me feel that I have any obligation to procreate.

>But they always go back to their heterosexual behavior.
Yeah, Imma need a source on that.

Being from a household that had a divorce while I was in my teenage years, I can see what effects it had on my 10 years younger brother.
As much as I tried being the paternal figure he lacked, he's just become a wimp that will never amount to anything.
As much I hate to admit it, my dad made me a better person.
I can't even begin to imagine what will become of those adopted by homosex tards.

Im not trying to make you procreate. I'm telling you what I think the meaning of life is, which from my perspective is sex. You don't have to be salty because you aren't getting any user. I'm not either but at least I'm not trying to fool myself into believe getting dat paper is the meaning to all.

How is that even remotely comparable? No one doubts the existence of those events in Earth's history. I do question the interpretations and robustness of these studies.

Science is constantly improving outdated theories with time. And if the findings here were truly robust and innate to homosexual culture (and not just some cherrypicked/poorly interpreted studies about a cultural phenomena local in time), then we'd see similar findings today.

most feminists believe this too. you obviously don't read much.

i'm a faggot

i suck dicks

but let me tell you

people who go to gay clubs are the worst human beings on the face of the planet next to muslims
they're the literal meaning of degenerate
they should all be gassed to death

no lie

>No one doubts the existence of those events in Earth's history
but they are over 25 years old, and nothing that old can be trusted

and how exactly do you know what everyone else thinks in order to make your outrageous claim?

>then we'd see similar findings today.
so go and find some then

hedonism is ok

Homosexuality is bad because it is genetic suicide, you miss out on sex with the opposite sex, you contract and spread aids, and produce no children while taking up space.

But if that's what you want, have at it.

I could care less about pussy. I could probably get some if I wanted to, but I just don't give a fuck.

You're focusing specifically on money, but I also said that I am trying to learn as much as possible about the way that things work.

why?

Stop being gay, stop it right now.

Yea, I get what your saying, nightclubs of any orientation are hedonistic as they're all about promiscuity. Bars are ok.

Personal question, do you think anything could have led you to being gay?

>but they are over 25 years old, and nothing that old can be trusted
The person you were responding wasn't implying this on an absolute level. For sociological/scientific studies on a cultural phenomenon? It's a valid critique. For stating the existence of a major historical event? Not so much. Context matters.

>so go and find some then
You're the one arguing this point. You go find them.

I'm actually pansexual
>inb4 not a real thing

i think loneliness and traps would be the two biggest factors

but for most people I know it's because they were:
1: raised by a single mother
2: divorced parents
3: druggie degenerate parents
4: surrounded by faggots when they were younger
5: sexually abused as a kid

the way I see it, your faggotry is on a scale from -1 to 1, -1 being exclusively homosexual and 1 being exclusively heterosexual.
you're born somewhere on that scale, and then shit that happens to you as a kid pushes you one way or the other
and after puberty you're locked at whatever number you're on for life

i'm like a 0.2

>genetic suicide
Kind of? Like your specific combination of genes, but benefactors and branches of your genes will still carry on in siblings, cousins, etc. Not to mention I could get a surrogate mother using my sperm and still have biological children.

Also, who cares about passing on their genes?

Its 2016, we have enough reproduction already thanks. :^)

Also, we have prep and condoms. Aids is only something sluts and blacks get.


Gays are the least "detrimental" (I guess there's the religion aspect? That's about it) to society of all groups. Focus on something awful like mudslimes.

I have no problem with homosexuality.
But when I go to work and the road is blocked off by some faggy parade, then things are different.
There is no straight parade (although there are military marches sometimes) so I don't see a reason for them to be loud and annoying just because a bunch of men shove dicks up their asses.

None of these factors have any scientific foundation and they don't apply anecodtally to myself or anyone I know either.

Fair enough, you do you.

I can definitely respect the pursuit of knowledge, I'm on that boat myself. I don't know what my endgame with said knowledge is though. I just know i'm gathering it, for now I want to understand how the world really works and why people do what they do.

>being sexually abused as a kid has no scientific foundation for having adverse affects on people

>gay pride meme

Its about celebration of acceptance and its a week of fun, revenue for the city, and huge feats of charity. Pride festivals are the pinnacle of capitalism, good will, and fun.

>family, people and race
??? what does this even entail? fuck your collectivist attitude

It is cultural cancer.
Let me repreat that: Homosexual IDENTITY is cultural cancer.

Gay attraction is just a fetish. Some people want man ass. Or man thighs. Or dick. Fine. I'm sexually aroused by the foam that forms on waves and sometimes settles on beaches.

Do I want to marry that foam? No, because I'm not a fucking retard. Gayness was fine, but Gay IDENTITY is literally placing a fetish on the same level as the human desire to procreate, and it is not acceptable.

People treat this like it's an issue of equality. No, it is not , not unless you accepted the retarded premises of the Left.

>W-well what about sterile women
That used to be grounds for fucking divorce. A marraige without children is literally pointless.

>W-well marriage has already been disgraced
By you God damn it, by you! You break the vase and then you demand that every other vase be broken!

>W-well it's 2016
Society was more accepting of queers in the time of Julius Caesar, and THEY didn't think it was a good idea to marry other men either because they weren't fucking retarded.

Stop justifying your degenerate antisocial fetish and placing it on the same level as actual civilization, go take that dick up your ass if you feel like it, but it isn't my job to approve of your faggotry.

You have to have a form of correlations and causation for the two. You can't just go "Kek psych trauma obvs cause such and such issue"

For example. Advil causes cancer.
>changing chemical compounds in your body has no scientific foundation for having adverse affects on people.

But, you tried.

>I'm sexually aroused by the foam that forms on waves and sometimes settles on beaches.

>Homosexuality is not abiding by basic rules of nature.
It occurs in nature, so how is it not "abiding" by the rules?

I'm not at your beck and call, if you want them, go and find them, or find a valid criticism of my source

has mainstream culture really become less promiscuous, less hedonistic, less indulgent of drugs and degeneracy in the last 25 years?

that's not been my experience

>Theyre like the lefts version of rednecks
I thought those were SJWs?