What's at the very forefront of music right now? Is it pic? Is it Autechre? Is it some of the lesser known glitch guys...

What's at the very forefront of music right now? Is it pic? Is it Autechre? Is it some of the lesser known glitch guys? Or is it someone else?

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With all due respect to Ferneyhough because I love his work (particularly Time And Motion Study II and String Quartet 6), but New Complexity's been around for a few decades now. Have things not gone beyond this?

The newest thing is super-complex tonal music with erratic changes in style.

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I was just shitposting lol
I don't even know what's at the forefront now, for all I know we're still doing spectralism. I'm out of touch.

Death Grips

Autechre with no doubt.

youtube.com/watch?v=KndBVDbgnmU&t=896s

if you think Autechre is pushing new ground, listen to Xenakis' large-scale electronic works. they still put all of contemporary experimental electronic music to shame. i would go as far as to say that nothing truly novel has developed in electronic music since Xenakis' day

it's me ;)

NAH or machine girl

arguably even dg

honestly james ferraro dean blunt and oneohtrix

...forefront of music
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And almost nothing in modern electronic (dance) music hasn't been attempted that German geeks with tens of thousands of dollars in analog synths haven't already. Or the one French guy. I know who they are, I'm being facetious.

who do you think all this TMT-core was inspired by asshole?

Pic related peaked with Climate of Hunter.

But popular music peaked with American IV. Everything else is a coda.

Also loltechre. How can you even in the same breath.

This.

why do you laugh at autechre and not the people suggesting death grips and machinegirl

does autechre make you nervous

Xenakis sounds nothing like Autechre. You're namedropping artists for cred points while offering nothing of actual value.

wandelweiser and random musique concrete artists i don't wanna expose to Sup Forums are the forefront of music as an artform

as far as pop music (very broadly speaking) goes, i'd say all the usual suspect big current electronic labels that everyone should know probably count. and i don't think it's absurd to credit their hype to a few key artists which could include Ferraro and Blunt but also at this point should really include Crampton, too.

but it's much more about individual works than one artist's oeuvre being a sort of canon of important developments and others expanding on their ideas. everything's much messier and more cross-pollinated, and artists rise and fall more quickly now

Refreshing to see Bish Bosch on here.
Climate of Hunter was great. Tilt has its moments. The Drift is good. Bish Bosch is super enjoyable. It might be my favorite Scott Walker album.

Only made one response m8.

You meant to reply to:
I don't even listen to Autechre and I haven't mentioned Xenakis. I've referred to German progressive electronic artists.

You are too committed for this board. Do you frequent any other forums?

what do you call this

dance music didn't evolve since like 1000BC and neither did humans

superb soundtrack for trying to start a dead lawnmower

I can't think of an electronic artist using max/msp in quite the same way as autechre
I would love to see what the fuck was going on in max when they were working on elyc6 0nset

super-complex tonal music with erratic changes in style

First 4 tracks of Nite Flights do it for me. It's the perfect balance between Scott's earlier baroque pop shit and the later whacked out, dark, beef percussion soundscapes of his later stuff.

youtube.com/watch?v=LCHf0_UE5gc

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wandelweiser and random musique concrete are
both are dead, wandelweiser peaked with that gigantic comp and musique concrete peaked pre2000 and showed some promise a few years ago
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>i don't wanna expose to Sup Forums
reddit desu
where do you think you are ? do you honestly think no one here gives a shit about experimental music ? we used to have daily /noise/ threads (imb4 noise isn't experimental )
We didn't really have a daily /experimental/ thread. The one on what.cd was kinda good but there was too much erstwhile cock sucking.

I know well Xenakis and many other composers of the electroacoustic era, I admire them all, especially Parmegiani, Ferrari and Chion. But I truly think Autechre have took everything useful and inspiring from them and brought it to something even more advanced and, artistically speaking, more appealing and musical. Also keep in mind that composers like Xenakis had technical limitations due to their era compared to Autechre, it's technically impossible they already pushed the boundaries at that time.

youtube.com/watch?v=-KdOk5FG6vI
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Everybody listen to this and tell if there's someone else in the world who's doing this, please.

fuck me this is otherworldly for real

>Also loltechre. How can you even in the same breath.
How can you even breath being that retarded

never listened to autechre
if I lliked this what should I listen to next ?

Exai or Elseq, but I would recommend their whole discography obviously.

youtube.com/watch?v=FiRLb8AYgIc&t=297s

Their live sets are indeed overwhelmingly huge

This sounds like being in the middle of a galactic warfare...

I don't remember very well, what was the general reaction on Sup Forums when Bish Bosch came out? I started listening to Scott this year and I'm in love with his late work.

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Dude, i was going to disagree but then i listened to gendy3 and realized xenakis really was killing it. Still, he was not alone and others deserve attention.

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Mark Fell does this kind of music where you can really hear the parameters (i.e. that's an oscillator phase modulated by noise, that's a non-harmonic chord through band pass filter). It reminds me of Acid in that it's easy to describe technically, but hard to execute well. It's not very flashy or novel, but it's also not corny. Autechre can be a little too "epic wubstep" for my taste.

Mark Fell is astounding, rhythmically speaking, but he doesn't adventure enough in my opinion, he's much more minimal oriented in everything he does.

bumping this right now

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I'd say haord are near the top of the american underground.
haord.bandcamp.com

There are plenty of other electroacoustic composers that do really wild shit.
youtube.com/watch?v=9-_OEjLi_kA

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>What's at the very forefront of music right now?
What do you honestly mean by that? What is the "forefront of music"? What has been at the "forefront of music" until now? How do you define "music" as a whole?

lol fuck you

I think it's more that stuff pursuing a radical aesthetic ran out of steam some decades ago; there's no boundary to push anymore. You can't "challenge the definition of music" or whatever anymore than Fluxus already did.

Free improvisation

What's done now in free improvisation that wasn't done already by like 1970?

kmm

An interesting quote by Andrey Tarkovsky:

The whole concept of the avant-garde in art is meaningless. I can see what it means when applied to sport, for instance. But to apply it to art would be to accept the idea of progress in art; and though progress has an obvious place in technology — more perfect machines, capable of carrying out their functions better and more accurately — how can anyone be more advanced in art? How could Thomas Mann be said to be better than Shakespeare?

you dont

This is just some shit for effete faggots to circle jerk to.

There is nothing remotely "forefront" about music that features conventional instruments anymore.

But how this address

1. having unconventional creativity (which even Tarkovsky is celebrated for having)

2. introduction of new ideas in art

And yet Ferneyhough's able to explore more varieties of timbre through playing stupidly technical/complex conventional instruments than artists were able to do with large varieties of electronic software and hardware at their disposal.

>babys first cinematographer
practically everything he's been quoted for is 2deep4you shit.

op what did you think of that a capella/experimental meme album ( cover is a mma guy naked, background is green, somewhere in a forest" ) ?

you probably know about dataplex

That's a great way to look at it as far as literature is concerned, but I don't think it holds up as well for music or film. For example, Autechre is undoubtedly more progressive than Bach, given the technology and sounds and the completely different approach to making music. There are loads of things that we consider progressive that end up being harmful, so "progressive" doesn't necessarily mean "better"--I think that's been pretty well established.

>And yet Ferneyhough's able to explore more varieties of timbre
Where are you getting this from?

Did you actually listen to what's going on? Like, why the fuck do you think he makes shit stupidly complex? Look at the what's even written on the sheets to play for the instrumentalists. Note how he often delivers everything in bursts with empty measures in between (very akin to how industrial guys would deliver bursts of crazy timbre with empty spaces in between.) There's no real melodic content to digest here in any conventional way. Once you look at his works as mood and timbre focused, they become infinitely more enjoyable.

>Like, why the fuck do you think he makes shit stupidly complex?
I don't think you understand what timbre is. If you think that dude has explored timbre more than Autechre--or even Stockhausen--you're wrong.

eh no, not really

electronics is generally still a better way to make something super complex; basically there's no upper limit at all

>how can anyone be more advanced in art? How could Thomas Mann be said to be better than Shakespeare?
The problem with this is that it's assuming something new is supposed to be better. I don't think anyone has ever claimed that. Avant garde isn't better, it's different. The range of expression is expanded by incorporating new tools and new sounds, the musical vocabulary is enriched, but no one claims it's an upgrade.

>the musical vocabulary is enriched, but no one claims it's an upgrade
>no one
Oh, but many pretentious cunts have...
See: John Cage
See: Stockhausen

Autechre and Stockhausen don't actually explore timbre that much. They manipulate it really well, but don't actually explore it much.
Electronics is feasibly a better way, but it requires the level of out-of-box thinking that just hasn't happened. Ferneyhough's stuff is still, from the basis of sheer amounts of moving parts, still the most complex thing posted in this thread with only that Andrew Norman piece coming close. It's much easier to control every single aspect of what an artist is given to work with when it's non-electronic vs otherwise.

oversteps was timbre: the album

Perhaps you should learn something about Cage and Stockhausen.

>it requires the level of out-of-box thinking that just hasn't happened
such as?

Between Xenakis, Risset, Truax, etc. what are you imagining that's left?

>Ferneyhough's stuff is still, from the basis of sheer amounts of moving parts, still the most complex thing posted in this thread with only that Andrew Norman piece coming close.
See, the thing that you're missing is that once you exceed a certain level of syntactic complexity, it's not perceptible. You can have conceivably millions of oscillators and millions of sound events per second and millions of irrationally related tempi, but it's just going to sound like white noise. The only reason you're imaging Ferneyhough is more complex than, say, Truax, is that you can see the individual note events on a staff and see people play it.

>It's much easier to control every single aspect of what an artist is given to work with when it's non-electronic vs otherwise.
It really isn't.

>Autechre and Stockhausen don't actually explore timbre that much
Again, I don't think you understand what timbre is. I'm not gonna spoonfeed you and give you a lesson on it, so look it up. The possibilities of experimenting with timbre though technology are virtually endless, and that's essentially what artists like Autechre and Stockhausen and countless other electronic artists have made a career doing.

Oh... ok

Raster Noton and Editions Mego

This + Pan Records + The Death of Rave

>people think Autechre is innovative

>forefront of music
yikes...thats the gayest thing i've read on this site in a long time

They are, they're just not the only ones, or the most extreme

youtube.com/watch?v=70byQuA58fg

What is this supposed to prove, exactly?

if Scaruffi doesn't think they're innovative, they're not innovative.

I'm guessing that's a meme?

Does Scaruffi explicitly say he doesn't think they're innovative? Does anyone actually care what he thinks anyway?

I know you think you're being clever and everything but it's retarded as fuck.

This reminds me of link-related. It's like the baby steps to this...
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new complexity

This... or Math Rock for classcal musicians.

Whoa, maaaan, the complexity!

>2 8s
>3 7s
>still getting 6s after 2 decades
>people think this means Scaruffi is panning them

a little genre called flashcore. it's music's logical conclusion

youtube.com/watch?v=srVxmxkbu4k

Trap rap

Oneohtrix Point Never definitely. I'd say he's the most important artist at the current moment and he has been since the start of his career. I feel every music trend in the last almost 10 years can be traced back to him and James Ferraro

Came to post this

You've been programmed to think this. OPN started his career by going to a trendy liberal arts school and playing with daddy's arpeggiators. He's just some dude that art critics latched onto and hyped to no end.

I dunno, I think overall autechre push electronics further than what flashcore artists like qebrus, atomhead, and la peste are doing. for faster styles of electronic music though, flashcore blows pretty much everything out of the water.
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This.

I feel starting with Replica onwards to Garden Of Delete he keeps pushing the boundaries, man. For me, R Plus 7 is especially important. I want to write about it.

>I want to write about it
go ahead

Ok.

i disagree. why is him going to a liberal arts school a problem? his music can totally be viewed with a reactionary lens if thats your problem

I'm saying: OPN - Trendy Liberal Art School = irrelevant to critics.

That said, I love this album...
m.youtube.com/watch?v=LSAjJORXicg

But there are plenty of artists that are lauded by critics without having been to liberal art schools. Are you not just upset about the way OPN talks about philosophy a lot in his interviews?

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