Today I will remind them

i know trent reznor has attained something of a reputation as an "experimental and intelligent auteur" among people who only got into NIN once their time in the spotlight had already passed, but NIN were indeed widely perceived in terms pertaining to "alternative metal" in the 90s, meaning that they shared their space first and foremost with bands like tool, fear factory, korn, soundgarden, marilyn manson etc. you look at them now, they're still playing festivals and co-headlining tours with those same bands, they're still being covered in the same schlocky rock/metal magazine that were covering them back then.
trent reznor was like the stereotypical image of the melodramatic, overwrought mallgoth in the public consciousness back then.

a lot of people seem to think that nine inch nails were part of the same conversation as, like, radiohead and aphex twin and shit, which is just completely hilarious and delusional. they were, as buzz osbourne put it, "music for baby rockers".

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lol

>aphex twin
well aphex did two tracks for him on further down the spiral so yes, they are in the same conversation. trent also created nothing records which had squarepusher, and was a US distributor for warp with releases coming from aphex, autechre, etc. all artists that had a heavy influence on radiohead. i think you are hilarious and delusional.

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This.
I'm not even a NIN fan, but the fact that Recoiled exists should be enough.

richard james "re-mixed" two NIN tracks by taking two of his unwanted leftovers (out of thousands and thousands) and giving them to Reznor in exchange for cash.

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kys OP

the aphex twin nin remixes were remixes of coil songs because nin songs are too shite for richard to remix them lol

>trent also created nothing records which had squarepusher, and was a US distributor for warp with releases coming from aphex, autechre, etc.
So this is where the neckbeard IDM stereotype actually comes from.

Lmao who cares, NIN are awesome.

>i know trent reznor has attained something of a reputation as an "experimental and intelligent auteur"

The only people who think this are people who weren't even alive when The Fragile, much less The Downward Spiral came out.
Nine Inch Nails were treated like a complete fucking joke when I was a kid. Trent Reznor was the go-to whipping boy for quite a few subcultures/music-oriented cliques back when they were still popular enough to merit thought and discussion.

Reznor's attempts at getting in on the "IDM"/Warp action were also treated like a complete fucking joke, akin to Motley Crue putting out their pseudo-grunge/industrial rock album in the late 90s or Billy Idol putting out Cyberpunk.

>radiohead
a band of miserable whiners, only for art school freshmen instead of moody high schoolers. I still see normies shitting on this band for being so depressing.
>aphex twin
ah yes, the dance music-hating rockist journalists' favorite electronic musician

you should have compared NIN to its contemporaries in the industrial music scene instead. maybe even namedrop skinny puppy or coil for extra street cred. also soundgarden is probably the least maligned band of that time period.

something something ministry

Lmao who cares, NIN are shit.

well NIN kinda were doing stuff very similar to where warp was in the early 90's, a lot of it was dark. nothing records put out meat beat manifesto , there was a lot of british electronic influenced by NIN and NIN was influenced by it. david bowie made outside which was very dark and industrial in some ways and toured with NIN. there's a lot you're missing. maybe the people you were with thought trent was a joke. but that wasn't everyone's opinion in the 90's, and certainly they were not trying to get in on what warp was doing, it was a shared thing going on in music between several labels and nothing was one of them.

you're confusing warp for hymen

no i ain't, warp was actually releasing music in the early 90's which is the time referred to. hymen didn't exist until 1997

alright then ant-zen

much more industrial than the more dancefloor-oriented warp

>well NIN kinda were doing stuff very similar to where warp was in the early 90's

They weren't. Not at all. There were no similarities whatsoever, unless Warp put out some shitty industrial metal record that I'm not aware of.

>there was a lot of british electronic influenced by NIN

No there wasn't, unless your idea of "british electronic" is Sneaker Pimps or something.

>david bowie made outside which was very dark and industrial in some ways and toured with NIN.

David Bowie was beyond washed up by 1995, hardly an accurate way by which to measure how relevant/irrelevant/cool/uncool something was.
Nobody gave a shit about him, not even a large chunk of the people who showed up to those NIN/Bowie shows.

>but that wasn't everyone's opinion in the 90's, and certainly they were not trying to get in on what warp was doing, it was a shared thing going on in music between several labels and nothing was one of them.

NIN's audience were angry teenage boys who were also very into White Zombie, Pantera and yes, Korn.
People who were into the stuff coming out of Warp or Chain Reaction or Downwards or even Ant-Zen(this label was big with fans of Japanese/European noise music and the Birmingham scene, not fucking Ministry or NIN) generally had better shit to spend money on than NIN records.

ok man sure, NIN never sold any music in the 90's. the only people who ever liked them were angry teens. yup. that's all it was.

>he thinks Radiohead and AFX were part of the same parcel in their heyday

I can tell you Radiohead were seen as a step up from Britpop and twee indie shit back in the '90s, but by no means artists worthy of the reverence they would later receive. even AFX thought they were cheesy, and that was after Kid A.

>NIN never sold any music in the 90's.

NIN sold many records, but they didn't sell any of them to people who were more interested in hunting down noise cassettes or white label releases or Autechre EPs.

It's fine if you like NIN, but trying to retroactively make them and their audience look like something they absolutely weren't is silly.

>the only people who ever liked them were angry teens.

This is largely correct.

Nah, OK Computer was a fucking massive record, even with a lot of people you wouldn't have expected to give a shit about Radiohead.
I was completely burned out on anything related to rock music and paid next to no attention to popular culture by then but even I was aware that it was a big deal.

you're such a moron, it's not worth arguing with you. NIN was so huge in the 90's, there shows were huge. the downward spiral was triple platinum. obviously it wasn't just people buying noise tapes. get real

I don't contest that, but that only lends to the fact that they weren't seen as a mature, alternative group for the doting music dilettantes, but the popular alternative rock group that they were at the time. They were on MTV's rotation non-stop when OK Computer came out and had a huge following. The only thing that stopped them from being commercially popular like the assorted pop groups that made up their contemporaries was that a lot of people couldn't stomach their music's mood and lyrical content.

you're full of shit and/or were not alive in 1997

don't be upset that your artsy arena rock band wasn't the hidden gem you thought it was, kid. david bowie was a popular guy too but he's still cool with the hipster crowd.

i don't even like radiohead but your assessment of what ok computer's success was is bafflingly retarded

Eh, you seem to be getting upset and your reading comprehension is suffering for it. I specifically singled out people who were buying noise cassettes(which was a huge pain in the ass to do back then and demanded a good bit of effort) as being among the ones who had no interest in buying NIN records.

>but that only lends to the fact that they weren't seen as a mature, alternative group for the doting music dilettantes, but the popular alternative rock group that they were at the time.

They were kinda both. They were accessible and melodic enough for the people whose tastes didn't extend much beyond alternative rock but also had enough of a "mature"/experimental flavor to them that a lot of people who wouldn't have been caught dead listening to any of the other big British rock bands of the time(including Radiohead circa Creep) took an interest in them. To a degree it was also obviously just a matter of OKC being a really big deal and people not wanting to miss out on the discussion surrounding it.

If Nirvana was "the Guns 'n' Roses it's OK to like", Radiohead were the Oasis it was OK to like.

I am the GREAT DESTROYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

it went triple platinum and the critics shit their pants over it, you nob gobbler.

>If Nirvana was "the Guns 'n' Roses it's OK to like", Radiohead were the Oasis it was OK to like.
cringe

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holy shit you guys are retarded. Trent Reznor was associated with 90s boy bands

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OK.

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keep posting it every day, twice when EP3 lands

source?
>buzz osbourne put it "music for baby rockers"
source?

t. Knows nothing about the 90s industrial scene

>a lot of people seem to think that nine inch nails were part of the same conversation as, like, radiohead and aphex twin and shit, which is just completely hilarious and delusional.

as someone who worked in a record store primarily geared towards electronic and experimental music from 1993 until 1997, I can confirm
the big conversation starters of 1994 were Autechre's Amber, Scorn's Evanescence and the Isolationism comp
if you tried to bring up Nine Inch Nails among any of the dudes who hung out in that place you would've gotten laughed out of the store

the 90s industrial scene consisted of a variety of small-to-mid level, primarily European record labels and distributors dealing in power electronics, hard techno, various forms of ambient music and harsh noise
Nine Inch Nails had no relation to that scene at all

why are there so many militant anti-nine inch nails posters on this board?

because of reddit fans of nin

because its easy to get a reaction out of people

true, more people on here actually just post nin hate to watch them get defended. welcome to a very sadistic board

it's Brian. all of them.

familiarity breeds contempt
that, and probably the fact that 95% of NIN's fans on this board are blatantly underage and extraordinarily irritating

>falling for weak bait
Fucking newfags, all of you. Especially you faggot Better stick around to p4k approved memerap heh? Go die.

i'm a huge reznor fan myself and yeah there's like two autistic fanboys on this board that are somehow here 24/7 posting every time reznor's mentioned and those type of nin fans are found on pretty much every forum on the internet.

the guy is respected by producers in the industry and influenced some good artists and i'm not quite sure how a board who unrelentingly sucks off kanye west and young thug thinks they're any less embarrassing than someone who likes nine inch nails.

I don't know why NIN gets the reputation of teenage bullshit music when it was considered genius by everyone from numan to bowie

because muh lyrics

the same reason there are so many grimes haters. trent is effectively a waifu (or husbando) to this board. random threads about him pop up for no particular reason where people either post memes or pictures of him.

most of which is shitposting to start a fight

because Sup Forums is for ironic hipsters.

Nine Inch Nails will never be hip or sophisticated or respectable. Never. Both Reznor and his audience need to accept that already. Nine Inch Nails are Beavis & Butthead music, now and forever.

Trent Reznor could restart Nothing and give million-dollar contracts to Daniel Lopatin, Dominick Fernow and James Ferraro tomorrow and he'd still just remain the corny, derivative loser who wore fishnet shirts and discovered Marilyn Manson and got the piss taken out of him by Steve Albini in 1990.

it's the same people almost every time. the ones who always post their completely baseless theories on the concepts of his albums or their husbando fantasies about reznor being a devout christian or bisexual

fuck steve albini. also, trent does soundtracks for david fincher movies, he already *has* gone respectable

David Fincher movies are vacuous schlock though, perfect for someone like Reznor.

>david fincher

just remember, he was my bitch first.

hey, whatever, the argument was he would never be respectable. he won an academy award

>KMFDM
>Chemlab
>16volt
>Sister Machine Gun
>Godflesh
>Skinny Puppy
>Ministry
>Cubanate
>Pig
>Pigface
>Thrill Kill Kult
>just about a million Ministry side projects
>all of these on american labels and interconnected

You really don't know shit, thanks for confirming.

nice try, dick. he did my natural born killers shit before your lost highway shit.

>david fincher
youtube.com/watch?v=PfrV_6yWbEg

>Steve Albini more relevant than Reznor
O I am laffin

There's nothing respectable about winning an Oscar.

Yeah, all of these except Godflesh were considered lame as shit.

Keep telling yourself that, faggot who didn't even know enough to list ONE of them

ok i think the term respectable is being lost here. the argument seemed to be he was beavis and butthead music and that he would not be respectable. so if oscars are not respectable, then you will admit that beavis and butthead are HIGHLY respectable?

half of those are 80's bands past their prime and the other half are blatant mallgoth garabe

I'm not that other guy, I just felt a duty to point out that all of those bands(EXCEPT GODFLESH, I MUST MAKE THAT CLEAR) were considered to be lame garbage with little to no relation to "true industrial".

Neither the Oscars nor Beavis & Butthead are respectable, though at least B&B can be entertaining.
You're out of your element, my guy.

>muh trve kvlt industrial meme
Is that why they got first wave industrial musicians on board? Is that why they were getting constant attention in media, play on MTV and offers for composing soundtracks or getting their music licensed? Really gotta work on your bait, friend.

whatever is respectable to you, i am certain it is something truly awful

m8 I was the first one to call HMisTDSpart2 user a retard, but give the dude a break, he doesn't deserve to be compared to grimes and waifu posters.

tronts, rezfeels and the like aren't getting spammed outside of NIN threads, so I don't see the point in bitching about them, no matter how fucking derivative and unfunny they might be

>skinny puppy
>no relation to "true industrial"

nigga what

>Is that why they got first wave industrial musicians on board?

Coil were prolific and not extremely selective when it came to remixes, so whatever. I'm glad they made some money.

>Is that why they were getting constant attention in media, play on MTV and offers for composing soundtracks or getting their music licensed?

For fuck's sake, are you 12? Who even cares about any of that shit, guy.

No worries user, I'm sure you're right and Nine Inch Nails, Fight Club The Dark Knight and Watchmen are actually the pinnacle of art and culture.

Skinny Puppy are goth disco music. Very very very bad stuff.

all he did was rip brian eno. the facebook movie soundtrack is literally just a straight rip off of ambient 2.

Well what do you consider a respectable achievement?

i hate everything you mentioned. i don't think any of those movies are good. but then they're not oscar movies anyway, so how that relates i don't know. to me "respectable" is a bad thing for a band like nin, wouldn't they never want to be respectable? or are you now going to try to spin respect as some sort of divine horseshit. you're possibly the worst person in this thread, which is extraordinarily bad on the very worst board Sup Forums has to offer, itself one of the worst sites. you're respectable.

they've made some of the best albums in the genre. it isn't like TG and cabaret voltaire didn't screw around with pretty synth sounds and disco beats either. outside of the eerie synths on some earlier tracks I don't hear any goth semblance.

>Coil
And all other TG members, and Cazzaza, and some others... Not to mention EVERY SINGLE NOTABLE FIRST WAVE INDUSTRIAL ARTIST has either joined, got influenced by these or completely jumped the ship. Industrial was always meant to evolve, as stated by Sleazy and C+C. Sorry, but YOU are the irrelevant dinosaur with power electronics and noise music, those are ancient genres of the past, not "true industrial". And I'm saying that as a noise artist.

Are YOU 12? Because if you actually lived in the 90s you would know MTV and radio play was a pretty big thing and shit that was considered awful would not make it there. Also, things that were considered lame garbage would not be sought out and commissioned for big projects that were trying to sell big numbers, that's kind of how making money works.

Basically, you're basing this all off your feefees, I get it. But an autistic mind doesn't make the fantasies real.

play quake

>noise artist
is this why you're a total jerkoff?

>MTV and radio play was a pretty big thing and shit that was considered awful would not make it there

>things that were considered lame garbage would not be sought out and commissioned for big projects that were trying to sell big numbers

Did you run out of shitty opinions or do you just want your (You)?

i am not taking any aspect of this thread seriously, that's now i rationalize it being a reality. otherwise i admit to wasting my time arguing the dumbest bullshit. so now, i am making myself laugh it off. ho ho ho

>gets shown to be a retard
>i-im just shitposting I swear!

Okay sweetie

no, i am most certainly a retard for posting in this thread. but now i am going to post hillary. you really want this thread to continue? someone just argued that MTV didn't play things that were considered awful. it's dead

>you're possibly the worst person in this thread, which is extraordinarily bad on the very worst board Sup Forums has to offer, itself one of the worst sites.

So leave and stop cluttering the board up with shitty threads about your mallgoth pin-up boy. You fucking dork.

It sounds like spooky Halloween music to me, always has. Sorry, user.

>Sorry, but YOU are the irrelevant dinosaur with power electronics and noise music, those are ancient genres of the past, not "true industrial".

Noise music has been the most relevant it's ever been for the past decade or so. Some noise artist you must be if you don't even know what's been going on.

>Because if you actually lived in the 90s you would know MTV and radio play was a pretty big thing and shit that was considered awful would not make it there. Also, things that were considered lame garbage would not be sought out and commissioned for big projects that were trying to sell big numbers, that's kind of how making money works.

Shit that was considered awful was largely the only shit that made it onto MTV in the first place. "Making money" and marketing yourself well to a target audience were not considered noble goals by any stretch of the imagination.

>Noise music has been the most relevant it's ever been for the past decade or so

I mean I've got my preferred periods of the whole thing and the 2010s are definitely not gonna go down as one of those periods, but objectively speaking the whole thing has only been getting bigger and more ambitious with time, both in terms of major events and presences within the culture and the attention that it's been receiving from the outside.
Alas, you're a clueless dork and you don't know what's been going on. It is what it is.

I don't understand the problem here.
Is trent "trve industrial"? Fuck no he's not
He's a GOAT producers? Fuck yes
He's respectable? Fuck yes

>noise has been slightly popular lately!
Doesn't make the genre not obsolete. Temples have been popular lately too, does that mean 60s psych is a totally relevant new genre?

Yeah man, all those awful shit bands and projects everyone hated and were totally irrelevant to everything like Radiohead, Oasis, Nirvana (inb4 "they were totally irrelevant xd), Aphex Twin, Sleater-Kinney, Sonic Youth, David Bowie... Keep trying, my little faggot

>the culture and the attention

>relevant

>Doesn't make the genre not obsolete.

Tbh noise isn't gonna be obsolete for a several more decades at least. In many aspects the surface of the whole thing has only barely been scratched when it comes to composition and theory.

And most of those bands(really everyone except for Nirvana, Radiohead and Oasis) you listed got nowhere near the amount of airtime on MTV that you seem to think they did, and even that limited airtime was relegated to specific genre-related shows rather than regular daytime programming.

If all of the NIN fans suddenly killed themselves the world would be a much better place.

>noise
>composition and theory

Who cares about band's reputation