Can Sup Forums give me scientific evidence of difference in racial genetics? Recently I became very interested of there was a real difference between the races because right now it's considered a social construct.
Do you have any peer reviewed papers on the matter?
I'm looking for real differences in IQ or if it's all social and that here we're accepting the idea without proof.
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>right now it's considered a social construct
According to who?
100% social. We are all blank slates at birth, and have exactly the same inherent intelligence no matter our skin color. Evolution of the brain stopped 150,000 years ago.
This has been PROVEN by SCIENCE. And besdies it's just common sense-- you'd have to be a racist to believe anything else.
This to be honest
If you believe anything else you are racist.
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You want about IQ only? I have a lot of things, let me upload some things.
I was reading through the citated paper from wikipedia. This is a source that I'm mostly confident would provide unbiased information. Their citations are peer reviewed.
en.wikipedia.org
I'm aware that wikepedia is not the only source and using that to base everything off is stupid, that's why I'm asking for more evidence.
I know you're trolling and I don't believe any of this, you can stop memeing.
> This has been PROVEN by SCIENCE
Science disproves the blank slate theorem, hard.
I was just in that thread, nice meme.
This doesn't count as proof for anything. This infograph is clickbait.
All biological differences are fine. I hear that there is an ongoing debate but I'm worried it can get twisted because of political correctness and research stopeed.
>right now it's considered a social construct
this statement is construed to mean "racial differences are skin deep" but what it actually means is "there are no strict biological markers for race" which is factually correct.
imagine splotches on a world map. hundreds of thousands, millions of splotches. many of these splotches overlap, many do not. each of these different splotches represent small but distinct microevolutionary change in different populations of humans as a result of environmental selective pressures or other evolutionary mechanisms. this is because human populations have historically been somewhat stratified due to geography and patterns of migration.
the basis for race is in micro-evolution, but there is no distinct marker for it. think of race as a broad aggregate of features rather than a very narrow and distinct classification. i could post a bit about genetic intelligence if you'd like.
the irony of this is research on this is never funded because it's so taboo
mega.nz
Here you go friend. I usually named studies with a quote so I can find quickly what I need (such as "It is clear that brain volume is positively correlated with intelligence ").
I only save studies that are are peer reviewed and cited a minimum of 15 times, just search for the study on google to verify.
I'll upload other things then, but be sure you won't convince any leftist even with hard cold evidences. You can only convinve already doubting people. Leftist don't believe in genetic determinism
yessah. evolution just stopped suddenly.
anyone who believes otherwise is RACEISS n shit
>"there are no strict biological markers for race" which is factually correct
As in 'there no particular gene of race". What you do have is a myriad of specific genes that allow science to track your origin. Think about it this way: everybody can have curly hair, low IQ or big lips. That has nothing to do with "race". But when someone has curly black hair, big lips, brown eyes, brown skin, a fat nose, a low IQ, and so on for hundreds of little phenotypical differences, he can only be of African descent.
>THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
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IQ means how good slave your are for the big corps that's why you'll always see the high IQ Asian working as a Job slave
A friend sent me this, it's a 60 page report about this specific topic. Well worth the read if you're actually interested in finding answers. However, make sure you do your own research, and make your own conclusions...
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How and, of course, the Out of Africa theory as it is taught today in most schools is pure bullshit, Sapiens didn't came out of Africa 50.000 years ago and it is becoming more and more clear.
>But when someone has curly black hair, big lips, brown eyes, brown skin, a fat nose, a low IQ, and so on for hundreds of little phenotypical differences, he can only be of African descent.
this is effectively exactly what i'm saying
anyway, here's a scientific article to stoke the fire
sciencedirect.com
>Haplogroups as evolutionary markers of cognitive ability
Thanks user
IQ represents logic and pattern recognition, but i don't suppose those are big cornerstones of modern indian culture.
Basically being a good autist?
Great, thanks.
Fuck off pajeet.
> THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
That doesn't meant it's good, but I'll take a look, thanks.
I like this quote, it reminds how frustrated I get when I hear about someone talking about pop science.
Not only, IQ is derived from several factors, such as pattern recognition and logic, but also memory and acquired knowledge with the ability to recall it. highiqpro.com
>he can only be of African descent
false
he could be of asian descent, these people are from the Indian ocean and genetically closer to Japs and Tibetans than any modern African population
Like being able to notice that if you poo in loo, the poo disappears down the drain and doesn't instead end up accumulating in your street, Pajeet.
Shut up cheese eating mouse
I knew you were saying that, I just wanted to explain it this way because I think it's a good image to help people understand. Yes, there's no "race gene", but of course "races" exist. Maybe they should be called "subspecies" though.
>sciencedirect.com
Thank you.
My pleasure. Also, all of you please understand there's no "superior race". All races are superior to others in their respective environments. An African will be superior to a European to resist specific African deseases, or a Tibetan will be superior to everybody to function at high heigts. To suit your environment is precisely the end game of evolution, and as such there's no absolute superiority.
But of course, there's objective superiority in particular fields. North East Asians have an average IQ of 106 (but less geniuses than Europeans), East Africans can run longer because of slow twitch muscles fibers, etc.
But nobody knows about them. I was just using a simple example for average people.
Uh okay?
Why I dislike quotes like this is that, the possibility that a given black person is more intelligent than a given white person is not precluded in anyway.
Should we lessen the opportunity of such an individual because of the general trend?
>Evolution of the brain stopped 150,000 years ago.
>American
>Education
Difference between races / racial reality
Humans can be genetically categorized into five racial groups, corresponding to traditional races.
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psychology.uwo.ca
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Human intelligence up to 75% inheritible
telegraph.co.uk
Human intelligence is highly heritable.
nature.com
Scientific consensus is that IQ tests are not racially biased.
sciencedirect.com
Very poor Whites are comparably intelligent to very wealthy blacks.
jbhe.com
Black children raised in White households have similar IQs to black children in black households.
psycnet.apa.org
The average African IQ is estimated at 79.
sciencedirect.com
The average African-American IQ is 85, compared to the average White IQ of 100.
udel.edu
The white-black gap in SAT scores, a proxy for IQ, is increasing.
jbhe.com
Genes for large brains, linked to high IQ, are common everywhere except Africa.
wsj.com
Intelligence has at least a 40-50% genetic basis.
articles.latimes.com
IQ scores are the best predictor of success in Western society.
psychology.uwo.ca
IQ is 75% heritable among Whites.
psychology.uwo.ca
>But nobody knows about them
not really an argument, but i'm also using a simple example to show how Race cannot be considered as a narrow category and that sometimes phenotype and genetics do not even match up in the way we think they should
Of course not. Average and individuals aren't the same. There's a possibility that the most intelligent human being ever was African. Though averages are a statistical reality, and we should build societies according to reality. Africans and Arabs are dumber and more violent on average, that's a fact. Your average subsaharian African have an IQ of 70 and only 5% of them have more than 100, so get all of them out of western societies and only pick up the best (or allow them to developp their own countries and people by not "stealing" the best Africans).
Yes, I understand that.
Among the 200 fastest 100m times ever recorded, there is not a single white man.
Just as amongs the fields medal (mathematics) winners there are no black people to be found.
Our different environments selected for different traits.
>not really an argument
I was not using that as an argument but as a justification of why such a simple image can be usefull in a discussion, although false. It's like when you teach kids that atoms are the smallest particules, but later you reveal them there are smaller ones you know?
>i'm also using a simple example to show how Race cannot be considered as a narrow category and that sometimes phenotype and genetics do not even match up in the way we think they should
Nothing to add about that, it's true.
>not being able to understand sarcasm
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Mixedrace children suffer from more health problems
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Racemixing leads to outbreeding depression & pairings of non-complementary traits.
A massively well-funded study of over 100,000 schoolchildren found that “Adolescents who identify themselves as mixed race are at higher health and behavior risk than those of 1 race.” Indeed, even when controlling for education, socioeconomic status, and other factors, there is an across-the board higher rate of health risks amongst mixed race adolescents than mono-racial adolescents.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
One study found that White-Asian mixes had a 2x higher rate of being “diagnosed with a psychological disorder, such as anxiety, depression or substance abuse.”
eurekalert.org
A study on Black-White mixes in agreement found that ”When it comes to engaging in risky/anti-social adolescent behavior, however, mixed race adolescents are stark outliers compared to both blacks and whites.” This holds true despite being raised in similar environments to mono-racial children.
msu.edu
Often race-deniers and cultural Marxists will bring up Haldane’s rule, arguing that since races can mix and create fertile offspring, the genetic distance is not too great. Haldane’s rule is “when in the offspring of two different animal races one sex is absent, rare, or sterile, that sex is the heterogametic [XY] sex.”
nature.com
Indeed, although Black-White mixes are not sterile and males are not absent, males (the heterogametic sex) are more rare than females.
jstor.org
The problem with environmental determinism is that you do get some white guys who can compete at the top level in running
and you do get some blacks with a doctorate in maths
So you want to deport people based on their race+iq? That's the policy conceived of the realisation of differences between races?
The argument regarding Haldane’s rule is also meaningless because different species in the animal kingdom can breed and still produce fertile offspring. The wolf (Canis lupus) and the dog (Canis lupus familiaris), the coyote (Canis latrans), and the common jackal (Canis aureus) are separate species yet can all interbreed and produce fertile offspring.
jstor.org
Two species of orangutan (Pongo abellii from Sumatra and Pongo pygmaeus from Borneo) can interbreed despite having different chromosomal numbers.
nytimes.com
The common chimpanzee (Pan troglodytes) and the bonobo (Pan paniscus) and many species of birds, such as the pintail (Anas acuta) and the mallard (Anas platyrhynchos), can interbreed as well.
sciencedaily.com
The gibbon and the siamang can also interbreed to produce a hybrid ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
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Some species that aren’t even in the same genus can interbreed.
aob.oxfordjournals.org
Black Americans are a hybrid race of around 22% White ancestry
genomebiology.com
>uh okay?
top tier bantz pajeet
> subspecies
That would indeed be a better name.
> Should we lessen the opportunity of such an individual because of the general trend?
No we should not. You should be given the same chance of success as any other individual but if your skills are lacking then that is that. However. If you choose to close your eyes and pretend everyone is the same you're hurting people on both sides.
> Why I dislike quotes like this is that, the possibility that a given black person is more intelligent than a given white person is not precluded in anyway.
I like this quote because it points out that there are inherent differences. Let's not close our eyes because of that but I don't belive we should discriminate based on that but on his abilities to perform.
The thing that fruststrates me is that people are so accepting of positive stereotypes about genes but get so turned off when you say something negative. They're willing to close their eyes.
This 22% ancestry is the cause of multiple negative health effects due to genetic incompatibility. Indeed, consistent with Haldane’s rule, unmixed Blacks from Africa and White Americans do not have the same rate of birth problems that hybrid American Blacks have: “In 2005, the mortality rate for black infants was 4.4 times higher than that of white infants… African women who come to the United States and have babies experience the same low rate of infant deaths as white American mothers.”
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“Indiscriminate interbreeding between distinct forms, whether ‘species’ or markedly different races, is not generally beneficial. The defect may show in a change in the sex-ratio of the offspring, probably caused by the early abortion of members of one sex, generally the male in the case of mammals.”
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LTA4H, or “leukotriene A4 hydrolase” is found on chromosome 17. An allele of this gene increases the risk of heart attack (the #1 cause of death in America) in Blacks by more than 250%, but only 16% in Whites. The 30% of Whites with this allele have counteracting genes, while the 6% of Black Americans who obtained it through race mixing do not.
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
One study showed that people tend to find their own face when morphed into the opposite sex most attractive, even when he/she doesn't know it's his own face, strongly suggesting that people typically prefer those who look like themselves, in other words their own racial/ethnic group.
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Hybrid vigor (heterosis) does not seem to apply to humans as we are already very heterozygous, at 0.776
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Compared to dogs for example at 0.401.
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Frudakis’ test is called DNAWitness. It examines DNA from 176 locations along the genome. Particular sequences at these points are found primarily in people of African heritage, others mainly in people of Indo-European, Native American, or South Asian descent. No one sequence can perfectly identify a person’s origin. But by looking at scores of markers, Frudakis says he can predict ancestry with a tiny margin of error.
You can’t find DNA markers of social constructs, but you sure can of BIOLOGICAL REALITY.
Brilliant, thank you.
>Let's not close our eyes because of that but I don't belive we should discriminate based on that but on his abilities to perform.
So that is your policy, recognise the difference but don't really act on it?
Although some argue that race mixing "averages out" traits and since average faces are considered more attractive
[cs.brown.edu
then mixed race offspring are more attractive.
However this is fallacious as it assumes we are designed for perfect symmetry, when in fact the magnitude of asymmetry is the correct measurement and this random component fulctuates, also called "fluctuating asymmetry" - so more honestly a lower level of asymmetry correlates with increased attractiveness, not symmetry.
beheco.oxfordjournals.org
But does increased heterozygosity cause lower asymmetry? A meta analysis of 118 datasets in 14 studies showed a very weak inverse correlation between the two, showing that increased heterozygosity has no beneficial effect on symmetry or asymmetry
nature.com
One study on the craniofacial morphology in White-Amerindian mixed race individuals found that over half of the 52 shape variables deviated from the mathematical average completely shattering the above argument.
majorityrights.com
The neurotransmitter oxytocin "makes people more co-operative, benevolent, loyal, generous and trusting of others. It is involved in the parent-child bond - new mothers and fathers have raised levels of oxytocin. Production also increases when people hug and when they have sex and, recent research suggests, when they receive psychological warmth." However, oxytocin has been alleged to "foster racism."
guardian.co.uk
>So you want to deport people based on their race+iq? That's the policy conceived of the realisation of differences between races?
Of course. Ethno centered societies work best, it's in human's nature to function along similar individuals. Genetic similarity theory is a really interesting one and I firmly believe we soon will have to realize ethnocentrism is the best model.
yeah, uhuh, good luck with that...
here's another interesting article by rindermann, best viewed in reference to the experiences and performance of american blacks. can't link it directly as i'm accessing it via university proxy.
doi:10.1016/j.intell.2013.05.011
>Cognitive ability, parenting and instruction in Vietnam and Germany
>Vietnamese showed high IQs in spite of conditions considered to be detrimental.
>These superior achievement and competence results in Western countries are rather astonishing considering the usually low language proficiency of immigrant Vietnamese parents, their low-SES jobs as retailers (often of low quality kitsch and cheap ersatz products) and snack bar operators, resulting in their relatively poor economic situation
>Additionally, some of them have had traumatic experiences of torture, or death of near relatives, before and during their escape from Vietnam
>There were strong separation (living in segregated houses until 1989), expulsion by the state (after 1989) and violent attacks by German neo-Nazis (in the 1990s). In the early 1990s, some Vietnamese were selling “tax-free” smuggled cigarettes illegally in the streets.
>Vietnamese students reveal good school achievement in different countries in spite of harsh past and sometimes non favorite present environmental conditions.
more or less shuts down the BLM narrative that poor african american performance in society is the result of traumatic experience and institutional discrimination.
The study found that "intergroup bias that fuels prejudice, xenophobia, and intergroup violence… Which maybe modulated by brain oxytocin." This suggests that the instinctual desire to pursue the interests of one's own ethnic group to further ensure the existence of one's people is linked to racial bias, coinciding with the observation that diversity is a weakness, not a strength.
pnas.org
One study found that during the menstrual cycle when women have a higher likeihood of conception, racial bias is increased, especially when the likeihood of sexual intercourse was increased; "increased conception risk was positively associated with several measures of race bias. This association was particularly strong when perceived vulnerability to sexual coercion was high."
Although egalitarians suggest that only a racist would consider race when it comes to reproduction and mate choice, this study observed a general, innate tendency to prefer one's own race especially when most likely to be impregnated.
cdnresearch.net
>Austria and Australia tag teaming on India
noice.
Just look at dog breeds. It takes like 200 years of sleective breeding and boom you have a new dog breed that looks different, that BEHAVES different.
denying race differences is like denying evolution
Race Is A Social Construct? The Immune System: How Important Is Race?
"If Nick Glasgow were white, he would have a nearly 90 percent chance of finding a matching bone marrow donor who could cure his leukemia."
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The reason that mixed-heritage patients are so hard to match can be found in the immune system. Different races have developed certain proteins, or markers, that are part of the body's natural defenses. These markers help the immune system determine which cells are foreign and should be rejected.
Are cells racist? A match between two people who share more genetically in common significantly reduces the risk of the donor and recipient cells attacking each other. (READ: cells from people of two different races will attack and fight each other as though they are a virus)
The more people of different backgrounds who produce offspring = the more types that are harder to match. Multiracial patients have uncommon profiles and since there can be many possible racial and ethnic combinations in multiracial societies, finding a match can still be extremely difficult.
m.phys.org
The average rate of success for mixed race couples is around half that of same race couples, 0.127 compared to 0.213.
www.jstor.org/stable/4145377
There is evidence that the more similar the two people are, the happier their marriage tends to be.
www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/019188699190057I
A study in Iceland showed that 3rd cousin marriages are the most fertile and successful. Suggesting that mating within one's ethnic/racial group would be more beneficial than outside of one's ethnic/racial group.
www.sciencemag.org/content/319/5864/813.abstract
I know it'll be tough but a man can dream, can't he? I also happen to have some studies showing how multicultural societies don't work as optimally as homogenous ethnic ones.
Yes, but those are the exceptions not the rule.
Civilizations are the result of the inherent potential of the collective.
> So that is your policy, recognise the difference but don't really act on it?
What type of action do you expect?
>I also happen to have some studies showing how multicultural societies don't work as optimally as homogenous ethnic ones.
as an econometrician I can already think of some major reasons why that could virtually not be really studied and made into generalised rules, but i mean sociological papers are always a wild-ride
One study found that White-Asian mixes had a 2x higher rate of being “diagnosed with a psychological disorder, such as anxiety, depression or substance abuse.”
www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2008-08/uoc--baa081108.php
A study on Black-White mixes in agreement found that ”When it comes to engaging in risky/anti-social adolescent behavior, however, mixed race adolescents are stark outliers compared to both blacks and whites.” This holds true despite being raised in similar environments to mono-racial children.
www.msu.edu/~renn/RHE-_mixed_race.pdf
Often race-deniers and cultural Marxists will bring up Haldane’s rule, arguing that since races can mix and create fertile offspring, the genetic distance is not too great. Haldane’s rule is “when in the offspring of two different animal races one sex is absent, rare, or sterile, that sex is the heterogametic [XY] sex.”
www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/haldane-s-rule-the-heterogametic-sex-1144
Indeed, although Black-White mixes are not sterile and males are not absent, males (the heterogametic sex) are more rare than females.
www.jstor.org/pss/1537084
Mixedrace children suffer from more health problems
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
Racemixing leads to outbreeding depression & pairings of non-complementary traits.
A massively well-funded study of over 100,000 schoolchildren found that “Adolescents who identify themselves as mixed race are at higher health and behavior risk than those of 1 race.” Indeed, even when controlling for education, socioeconomic status, and other factors, there is an across-the board higher rate of health risks amongst mixed race adolescents than mono-racial adolescents.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448064/
Blacks are 55x more likely of having the "warrior Gene" (previously known as the asshole gene) that makes you violent.
>5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carried the 2R allele
en.wikipedia.org
50% of Whites have the empathy gene compared to 10% of blacks
news.ubc.ca
Intelligence is mostly inherited, blacks score on average 1 standard deviation or below whites on IQ tests meaning far more are near retard level while only a microscopic number can be called "geniuses"
telegraph.co.uk
nothing I'm just getting a gauge of how this matters to differnet people.
my point is that it is not a rule, it's a generalisation, which may not apply to some individuals and it is unfortunate if those individuals are also prevented from reaching their potentials as a result
>but i mean sociological papers are always a wild-ride
True. To see everything through economics and social still is a mistake, genetics and biology account for way more we use to think and tha'ts becoming more of a reality everyday.
Implying there aren't people who unironically believes this.
My simple observation:
All races belong to the same species.
But each race is a different breed. Like dogs. All breeds can communicate, make offsprings with each other, but their temperaments and even intelligence tend to differ radically.
One difference humans have is ideologies/religion. For example, anyone taking Quran seriously is an idiot irrespective of their race.
>my point is that it is not a rule, it's a generalisation, which may not apply to some individuals and it is unfortunate if those individuals are also prevented from reaching their potentials as a result
This is true, but you don't make politics by looking at individuals. You have to factor the whole society and that implies statistical averages. To think society and politics through the prism of individuals is basically a form of leftism, and obviously is not optimal.
> it's considered a social construct.
Any biologist knows race is real OP stop falling for the meme.
The "why multi racial societies aren't functionnal" folder, if anyone's interested: mega.nz
You can identify race by looking at a skull.
***The Evolutionary Dominance of Ethnocentric Cooperation
jasss.soc.surrey.ac.uk
It's already in the folder my friend.
I'm not looking for identification, I'm looking for genetic differences and evidence for that.
This thread has been more than gold for this.
What do you guys think the implications of en.wikipedia.org
if there's one thing Sup Forums can unite on it's human biodiversity
>evidence of difference in racial genetics?
how about you use your fucking eyes?
>Would epigenetics not increase the distance between the `subspecies` even more given enough time?
Pretty much. It's an interesting field, but one that still needs a lot of time to developp. We are way too early in the research to get a clear view of the topic.
Racial mixing is already a known mistake though, for a lot a reasons. You have some studies about that in the second folder I think?
IQ is also marginally epigenetic in western societies.
It all makes sense now, thanks for enlightening me kebabman.