Lord of the rings

What was the point of trying to take of helms deep and why didnt they try again rather than going after minas tirth the movie after?

why didnt they just go to mordor

>What was the point of trying to take of helms deep
It was the rohirrim stronghold and a place where a large part of the rohirrim army was gathered. If helms deep had fallen rohan would have fallen easily.

>why didnt they try again rather than going after minas tirth the movie after?
Sauron had no need for an attack on rohan (yet) and sarumans forces were decimated. The threat to rohan was over, minas tirith was still at risk

ok thanks

if aragorn went with frodo they could have taken a horse and cut the trip down by months and they wouldn't have had a problem getting passed the spider and frodo wouldn't have had to worry about golem. fucking terrible writing in this movie.

This.

And it's been while since I read the books, but wasn't Saruman already going solo and not allied with Mordor when attacking to Helm's Deep? Thus Mordor had never attacked the Helm's Deep to begin with.

would aragorn get corrupted by the ring?

Now that I think about it he probably would considering Isildor did.

Just as easily as boromir. Boromir was desperate so he made an easy target

>Share your huge load with me master frodo, i'm going to swallow all of it

Jesus christ how did this even make it into the final cut

why didn't they just eat the ring and let the stomach acid destroy it?

>Frodo, now you are truly The Lord Of The Rigs.
Walked out of the theater at the moment.

>not lord of the rims

cos he's gay.

Just a reminder that if a character doesn't travel in the most efficient way from A -> B then the author is a hack

Yes, everyone would, thats the point. The only reason why it was destroyed was because Gollum slipped and fell in

what would happen if saruman or gandalf got hold of it?

Its far more complex user, so sit back...

The conquest of Rohan by Saruman slowed down after Théodred had been slain and thus the first objective had been completed. This delay could be considered a mistake and might have prevented the capture of Edoras. (Note that this aspect partly resembles the famous halt order of Dunkirk in May 1940.)

>It was clearly seen in Rohan, when the true accounts of the battles at the Fords were known, that Saruman had given special orders that Théodred should at all costs be slain. At the first battle all his fiercest warriors were engaged in reckless assaults upon Théodred and his guard, disregarding other events of the battle, which might otherwise have resulted in a much more damaging defeat for the Rohirrim. When Théodred was at last slain Saruman’s commander (no doubt under orders) seemed satisfied for the time being, and Saruman made the mistake, fatal as it proved, of not immediately throwing in more forces and proceeding at once to a massive invasion of Westfold; though the valour of Grimbold and Elfhelm contributed to his delay. If the invasion of Westfold had begun five days earlier, there can be little doubt that the reinforcements from Edoras would never have come near Helm’s Deep, but would have been surrounded and overwhelmed in the open plain; if indeed Edoras had not itself been attacked and captured before the arrival of Gandalf.

"Unfinished Tales, Part Three, Chapter V, 461"

In principle, Saruman’s army could have bypassed the fortress of Helm’s Deep. However, the detour would have exposed the slow Orc infantry in the main body of the army as well as its long line of supply and communication from Isengard to cavalry flank attacks by the Riders of Rohan from Helm’s Deep.

>Erkenbrand did not at once himself proceed to the battlefield. All was in confusion. He did not know what forces he could muster in haste; nor could he yet estimate the losses that Théodred’s troops had actually suffered. He judged rightly that invasion was imminent, but that Saruman would not dare to pass on eastward to attack Edoras while the fortress of the Hornburg was unreduced, if it was manned and well stored.

"Unfinished Tales, Part Three, Chapter V, 466"

Instead, Saruman attacked in full force at Helm’s Deep in order to disable his enemy’s armed forces and leadership.

Remarkably, various aspects of Saruman’s campaign are in accordance with the textbook strategy that was customary until the First World War, which is well explained in the famous work On War by Carl von Clausewitz. In particular, concerning the political objective of war, Clausewitz distinguished two broad types:

War can be of two kinds, in the sense that either the objective is to overthrow the enemy – to render him politically helpless or militarily impotent, thus forcing him to sign whatever peace we please; or merely to occupy some of his frontier-districts so that we can annex them or use them for bargaining at the peace negotiation.
Obviously, Saruman chose the first strategic option, which also seems to be in better agreement with his long-term plans.

Hope that cleared it up user

Pretty sure Saruman would have tried again if the Ents didn't capture him. And he was doing it on his own with no help from Mordor, when he got captured Sauron didn't bother to go rescue him and he went straight on Minas Tirith.

Bad guys can never work together like the good guys do, that's how it rolls.

this is why i love lotr threads on Sup Forums

This isn't true. Saruman had full support of sauron and the knowledge to create uruk-hais was from sauron. Sauron had his own version of uruk hai long before the isengard rip offs. The idea to breed orcs/trolls with men was also from sauron.

Sauron used saruman and played to his ego. Sauron intended for saruman to destroy rohan but he knew that saruman was a traitor and fully intended to kill him along with the rest.

Sauron knew using Saruman to breed fighting Uruk-Hai would be great help in destroying Rohan so he could focus all his servants power on destroying the last true kingdom of Men in Gondor. If he succeedded in all of this its likely he would then destory Saruman due to not really needing him anymore and not having any possible rivals in power despite being considerably more powerful than Saruman even without the ring.

And people say theres no strategy in lotr wars

what is the point to destroy sauron if the gondor and rohan arent here anymore ?

they don't come to destroy rohan's crops and villages, they come to destroy its people!

They'd become Sauron 2.0

>lake
>not connected to the ocean
>call it a sea

Hmm, really made me think

In the movies.

In the books Saruman is trying to get the ring for himself before Sauron, so he can be Sauron 2.0. Saruman with the One Ring could probably kill Sauron (So could Gandalf if he bent the ring to his will.) If Saruman eventually conquered Rohan and Gondor, he would march on Mordor itself.

>large part of the Rohirrim army, barely 300 fighting age men.

I was talking about the books user.

Saruman wanted a ring of power after reading about the master ring but he lacked knowledge or power to make one (he did but it wasn't worth shit)

He allied with sauron in hopes he would

a. Capture the ring for himself
b. Aquire knowledge to make one

He failed in both seeing as sauron knew from the get go that saruman was trying to play him.

Saruman without the ring would have been bitch slapped