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ep 1 was bad
ep 2 was eh
ep 3 was quite good

they're underrated, because everyone seem to hate them above everything else

Episode 1 is complete trash. Just utter garbage.

Episode 2 at least has some watchable battles, and the world building is top notch

Episode 3 is okay, world building also good.

It's weird. The story as it's told in the movies aren't that good, but the world building and everything else going on is so good, that it's better than the sum of it's parts.

Except the first one. Just bad.

They are objectively terrible with the 3rd one being only mediocre.

There are bad parts which is to be expected of a project this bloated, but i think the net worth is positive.

Phantom Menace is like %70 bad
Clone Wars is %37 bad
ROTS is maybe %5 bad

garbage that Sup Forums hipster bandwagoning will now tell you are sleeper classics, just like this hysterical love for the objectively awful DC movies (marvel movies aren't much better mind you)

You're objectively unintelligent.

you're objectively retarded.

Yeah i think the script would have benefitted greatly from someone who could put some flavor into it and make it more engaging, but the plot was very good

Ep1 and Ep2 are meh movies with few neat moments. Ep3 is better than pretty much every MCU abomination to date.
This movie had some absolutely beautiful shots, fantastic music and tons of memorable scenes.

BvS was subjectively great. And I think man of steel is the worst capeshit movie, even lower than Thor 2.

we've been saying the prequels were not bad for atleast 4 years now

Oh and what, "Space Cop" is a fucking masterpiece? Just go home, Mike

In what way?

People here literally started hating the prequels only after the RLM video came out. Before that, people here loved the prequels. This board is full of hipster faggots who have to follow hip and cool trends.

>Master? Because somebody deleted the archive records

What the fuck? Isn't this the equivalent of some """""hacker""""" deleting the Hawaii page on Wikipedia and hoping the Earth just forgets Hawaii exists? Was there no backup in place? Was there no internet equivalent in Star Wars where the public had their own record of planets and locations and histories?

They're bad but they're so much fun to rewatch

Episode 1 is terrible
Episode 2 is terrible, less laughably bad but more boring
Episode 3 has a lot of fun schlock in it (like Grevious and wookies) but is still terrible. I feel like people who like it get distracted by "le epic battles" and "le dark tone," forgetting the fact that the dialogue is still cringeworthy and that vader's turn is one of the most disappointing moments in the entire saga.

>what have i done...
>i will do whatever you ask

Its seriously one of the most questionable and underdeveloped parts of the prequels.

obviously correct

>it was real in my mind

>there no internet equivalent in Star Wars
I'm fairly certain there isn't and should never be. And it's the equivalent of someone deleting a Wikipedia entry on Chicken, Alaska.

I actually like episode 2 but I agree with what you're saying

Like they had 3 movies to do Vader turning but it's just kind of an instant thing for a dumb reason

I didn't understand what I was going on. He wants to save padme so bad he chokes her to death?

It just did not work at all. Again, they had 3 movies to do the turn, and they failed here.

It was 2002 man noone knew shit about the internet. Besides, the series is more analogous to fantasy so it'd be more like taking a long forgotten scroll from a temple of priviledged information. It isn't really a plot hole or anything

Ep I is the best one because it has OT feeling about adventure journey

*noone as old as George

Why do people keep treating original trilogy like some golden fucking standard of movie making that was ruined by the prequels? New Hope is a generic space movie, Return is dogshit

They should not have to be just like the OT though, but that was a very good bridging element about PM i agree

>New Hope is a generic space movie
It's generic space movie because every space movie since it came out has tried to copy it in some way, you dumb fuck

My COMPLETELY SUBJECTIVE way of appreciating the prequels is imagining it the way I think George intended.

They are legends and tales to Luke (and the star ward audience), so they come off as archaic over the top fables. It's like the Odyssey. I couldn't tell you shit about the character of Odysseus beyond the most generic of motivations and poorly described encounters. It's like how I knew in 1998 that Vader became Vader because he fell in lava; so when I finally saw it happen in 2004 I was okay with it being a really weird interpretation.

But it's iconic user!

I generally dislike the prequels, but the Geonosis scene in AOTC is actually pretty well done despite terrible special effects. Mace Windu stepping in and saying "this party's over" is one of the few times the movies were able to draw any sort of response out of me.

This so much, the whole point was that he was supposed to be seduced by the powers of the dark side rather than tricked into it to save his wife.

Yeah the way it's shot and the story do make it seem more like Star Wars

New Hope itself ripped off a buttload of other films, and why does it matter anyway?

Why do people keep saying that Force Awakens is better than prequel trilogy? It's definetely worse because it doesn't even feel like SW, like completely different franchise. Say anything about Jorge Lucaso but he is a master in world building, those majestatic landscapes and creatures having daily life are honey for eyes

REMINDER THAT THE BEST STORY TOLD IN STAR WARS WAS THE IMPERIAL AGENT STORYLINE IN TORTANIC

He stated the reason it matters.

I would watch episode 1 over episode 2 ANY day.
Episode 2 is painful to watch. It's boring, the acting is terrible, the romance is some of the worst I've ever seen. The movie just drags on and on while Anakin delivers line after creepy line about how obsessed he is with a girl he barely knows. How she haunts his dreams, and he has thought about her 24/7 for the past 9 years.
Episode 2 is forgettable, but the parts you forgot were 'Anakin and Padme sit in an airport and talk about how Obi-Wan is overbearing', or 'Padme packs clothes while Anakin talks about how Obi-Wan is overbearing' or 'Anakin and Padme walk around Naboo and talk about how Obi-Wan is overbearing.' This feels like 90% of the movie.

Episode 1 I just find pretty boring.
Episode 2 I think is pretty good for action and sights, and I don't really care about Anakin's shitty dialogues when I get to see cool battle at the end.
Episode 3 feels kinda mediocre, it has some alright fights, some shitty dialogues and not particularly intense third act.

Only social media faggots say that. The guys who kept trending Star Wars despite never having seen any of the older movies.

Anyone can tell that TFA is basically a Marvel flick with some lightsabers. Quips upon quips, everyone is in on the non-existant joke, and there is never any tension because everyone is having a good time.

I had a discussion with 5 people in a bar who are not in my friend group about how much they hated the prequels and how TFA 'fixed' Star Wars.

He's right for the most part, the first two were dog shit and Revenge of the Sith was good. I personally consider all three to be pretty shit in comparison to episodes 4, 5, and 6 though. If I ever have kids I probably won't even show them the prequels.

>Its like poetry... it rhymes.

5>4>7>2>3>6>1

>Yoda with lightsaber is awesome

Why James why

Not sure what video you're talking about but I went and saw all three prequels in the theater when they came out.

I wasn't impressed with the first one, the second film was boring and forgettable and the third one was decent.

It's the same as the Matrix movies for me just in the opposite order.

The first Matrix movie is good, then the second and third films are garbage.

The main problem with the Star Wars prequels is that Lucas blew his load on cgi and put the character development and script quality on the back burner. He also picked a lot of shit actors which is really apparent if you go back and watch the films now. A connection to the characters is never formed like in eps 4-6 which is why they are so forgettable. Everything is shitty and detached. It's just like watching a bunch of videogame cutscenes from the 90s. The films could have been well made... they just weren't.

yes

the guy sitting there knows what lucas is doing is wrong, but is powerless to stop it

Because he was.

>What kind of order will you show to new gereration

What kind of stupid question is this? The only right choice is Despacialized edition only

The only acceptable order is 4-5-2-3-6

Machette order is retarded!

>Published on Dec 10, 2016

They're incredibly bad (with a couple of diamonds hidden within, like Obi-Wan), but I wouldn't get too super hung-up on it. There's a lot of kids who grew up with them, and it's actually something special to them. I wouldn't want to trample on that.

>It isn't really a plot hole

What did you mean by this

That's because most of the posters on Sup Forums are millennials who were too young when these movies came out to realize how bad they were. They liked them as kids, cause they are kids movies after all, and can't understand why they are bad because they refuse to take their nostalgia goggles off.

That's a lot of projecting.

The other dude on the couch died a little inside in this clip. You can tell

Disney should just scrap these movies like they did with all the books and comics and video games.

>millennials who were too young when these movies came out to realize how bad they were
I dunno, I think twenty years is old enough to understand things.

>the second matrix film is garbage
Go back to r/movies you tasteless moron. No one capable of independent thought would trash matrix reloaded.

C'mon. You can't pretend that there aren't a couple of shitty things from your own childhood you don't have fond memories of. Lots of crappy cartoons that you can't watch again, but enjoyed when you were younger.

It's understandable why they'd like it.

>millennials
>too young

You don't even know who are millenials you idiot

The first movie had depth and was genuinely intriguing. The second film was just a cesspool of cgi. Tasteless and boring only to be topped by the shit stain that was the third felm.

>Rick McCallum prepping himself for the ungodly amount of Lucas butt-tonguing, and crew assuaging he's going to have to do following this.

People born around 1994 - now, aka generation Z?

Well. Just look at this board how many people from gen Y who romanticize the late 80's/early 90's and refuse to admit that stuff like TMNT was complete trash (not the original underground comics though, all the other stuff). Same with episode 1 and the new meme on Sup Forums to defend it for some reason and calling it underrated.

1982-1999

>With the release of the final Star Wars prequel Episode Three: The Revenge of the Sith, cinema's most popular space opera ends where it began and begins where it ended. As promised long ago by writer-director-producer George Lucas, the film's climax crosscuts between fallen Jedi Anakin Skywalker (Hayden Christensen) becoming cyber-knight Darth Vader and Queen Padme Amidala (Natalie Portman) dying as she gives birth to future galactic saviors Luke and Leia. (Spoilers abound, my young Jedi.)

>The twins' arrival sets up Episodes Four through Six—aka the original trilogy—and gives viewers a sliver of hope, but just a sliver. Easily the series' bleakest installment, Sith is a doom-spiral blockbuster that dares admit the narcotic allure of dread. Its elegantly choreographed action sequences, teeming panoramas, brazenly inventive sound design and muscular crosscutting reaffirm that Lucas is, and always has been, a fearsomely gifted showman.

>Unfortunately, he's still George Lucas, a director who achieves the impossible while botching the basics.

>When it comes to visualizing fantasy landscapes in a matter-of-fact way, few rivals can touch him, and his knack for balancing menace, mayhem, slapstick and sentiment within a single sequence rivals Hitchcock, Spielberg and Kurosawa. Yet his set pieces often do little to advance his stories and themes. (Consider the pod race in The Phantom Menace—one of the most intricately imagined action scenes ever filmed, yet barely relevant to the plot; for that matter, consider Sith's opening starship battle, which seems to go on for days.) With actors, he's King Midas in reverse, and his dialogue ranges from competent to cruddy. The mix of A+ technique and C- dramaturgy is nearly unique in American cinema; Lucas is the directorial equivalent of a prophesied sci-fi man-child who can levitate whole cities but can't master a knife and fork. Sith is an infuriating, electrifying movie—a savant's masterpiece.

>episode 1 is [complete trash]
>why do people call it underrated?
Gee

Episode 1 - shit
Episode 2 - shit
Epsiode 3 - this was actually kinda go- NOPE IT WAS SHIT

Get real faglords

>The best stuff is so engrossing that you're tempted to forget not just the worst of Sith, but Lucas' lead-footed The Phantom Menace and his half-clever, half-exasperating follow-up, Attack of the Clones. In the latter, Lucas alienated even die-hard fans by sweating tiny political details, staging a romance so goofy and chaste it felt time-warped from 1935, and saddling his romantic leads with the cheesiest lovey-dovey dialogue this side of a fifth-grade play. Yet Lucas' conception of Anakin was always more complex than detractors claimed; ditto Christensen's performance, for my money the boldest take-it-or-leave-it gamble in Star Wars history. Lucas and Christensen's choices earn limited vindication here, as plot and character details planted in the first two prequels finally take root and flower.

>In Clones, Anakin was envisioned as a volatile wunderkind whose talent outstripped his maturity. His cockiness, petulance and flashes of fury—like James Dean plus Sal Mineo—suggested that the most corruptible Jedis were the ones predisposed toward jealousy, vanity and feelings of thwarted entitlement—i.e., adolescents, or grownups with adolescent minds. Anakin's simmering passions boiled over in Clones when he returned to Tattooine to find his mom, watched her in die as a slave to Sandpeople, then murdered a whole village in retaliation. Anakin's icy fascination as he recounted the massacre to Padme suggested the rampage might not have been involuntary—that perhaps his mother's defilement gave him an excuse to vent a rage he'd felt for years but had managed to suppress.

Kids born in the early to mid eighties are not the same generation as those born afterwards.

Most of their childhood was pre-cell phones, pre-internet. Calling that the same generation is stupid.

>Sith shows Anakin shirking logic and succumbing to feeling. We watch him drift from good mentor Obi-Wan (Ewan MacGregor, dignified against all odds) and fall under the spell of Chancellor Palpatine, aka the Sith Lord and future Emperor (the great Ian McDiarmid, by turns charming and repugnant), who plots to destroy the Council of Jedi Knights and push the Galactic Republic into dictatorship. Anakin allies himself with Palpatine because he feels undervalued by his Jedi masters, and because Anakin's wife Padme is pregnant and suffering premonitions of death. Anakin agrees to do Palpatine's bidding, however repellent, because Palpatine treats him with fatherly love and respect, and has promised to teach him to raise loved ones from the dead.

>Palpatine is the picture's driving force, corrupting the galaxy as he corrupts Anakin, promising a greater good purchased through moral shortcuts. The Chancellor holds power by embroiling the Republic in questionable wars. Asserting emergency powers, Palpatine neuters the Galactic Senate and shapes public opinion through lies and demagoguery, declaring, "If you're not with me, you're my enemy" and vaguely promising "…a safe and secure society." He's a false deliverer who would destroy the Republic to rescue it. ("What if the democracy we're saving no longer exists?" a character asks—a good question that should have been asked sooner.)

>Lucas' relentless depiction of Anakin's decline fuses esthetic and moral intelligence. When Palpatine tells Anakin, "Remember what you told me about your mother and the Sandpeople," the line is followed by a sound cue buried deep in the mix: a Sandperson's anguished howl. A climactic bit of cross-cutting—the finest since the final stretch of The Empire Strikes Back—juxtaposes Yoda and Palpatine duel in Coruscant's abandoned Galactic Senate chamber with Obi-Wan and Anakin's showdown on a volcano planet. Palpatine telepathically hurls vacant senate seats at the little green warrior, literally using symbols of democracy as weapons. As Anakin and Obi-Wan fight, growing more emotional by the minute, they edge physically closer to rivers of lava symbolizing the unchecked passions that made Anakin a candidate for corruption; by duel's end, the magma will disfigure Anakin's body just as his dark feelings disfigured his goodness.

>None of the above should suggest that Sith is perfect. Like much of Lucas' work, it's at once sublime and stupid, and the quality differential between scenes (sometimes within scenes) induces a moviegoer's whiplash that yanks you out of the fantasy. Most of the supporting characters—including Padme, C-3PO and Samuel L. Jackson's Mace Windu—end the saga without having acquired more than one dimension. Darth Vader's hellish birth on an operating table aims to evoke Frankenstein, but his cornball flailing and hollering feels more like Young Frankenstein—and the grainy, blown-out lighting marks it as the only scene in Sith that was plainly shot on video.

Millennial refers to someone who went through adolescence at the time of the millennium. Generations don't really exist anyway, but that is the definition of the classification.

>Yet Lucas compensates with images of uncanny beauty and sadness. Only hipster critics would resist the director's loving shout-outs to E.T., Gone with the Wind, The Seventh Seal and Apocalypse Now, the ink-and-wash sunsets over Coruscant, the old movie eye-light drawing attention to corrupted Anakin's fiendish yellow eyes, and the scene where Obi-Wan chases a bad guy while perched atop a giant lizard (a John Carter paperback cover in motion). When Obi-Wan and Anakin lay into each other, their whirling light sabers flutter in the air like lethal neon butterflies. The movie's most eerily powerful sequence envisions the destruction of Jedi Knights as an intergalactic hit job, modeled on the baptism/massacre sequence from The Godfather. At one point, John Williams' score strikes an appropriately Mahler-like tone as stormtroopers on a psychedelically colored garden planet preemptively shoot a female Jedi in the back. Lucas cuts to an overhead shot as the killers pump laser bolts into their victim's body. The camera cranes back and slowly rises up, until a giant leaf obscures our vision like a curtain falling.

>its a James voices his opinion and doesnt give a shit what anyone else thinks episode

generations are based on cultural shifts you dumb nigger

Well then I guess everyone born 1982-1999 shared the same cultural event, so I'm right.

Also,
>Generation in this sense of birth cohort, also known as a "social generation", is widely used in popular culture
Popular culture and sociology aren't "real".

yes
so is the original trilogy

An objective way.

i have that action figure but without the luke head and the vader eyes are black, not purple

Yes, but I think it's a mistake to think that the badness in the series begun with the sequels, the ewok fucking shits in VI were a sign of bad things to come (Jar Jar)

>seeing Yoda flip around was a cool bonus

This guy is going back into the oven.

That wasn't even the worst thing he said. He also said he liked the podracing part in episode 1.

Revenge of the Sith is a fantastic achievement. Its labyrinthine opening shot— of Anakin and Obi-Wan giving chase to Dooku through the space vehicles on the planet of Coruscant—is a mighty and audacious gauntlet-throw, the digital equivalent of the opening shot of Orson Welles’s “Touch of Evil." It wheels and gyrates and zips and pivots with a vertiginous wonder that declares, from the beginning, that Lucas had big visual ideas and was about to realize them with a heroically inventive virtuosity. And the rest of the movie follows through on that self-dare.

If I had seen ROTS in a theatre upon its release, in 2005, I think that, at the moment when Sheev, sizzling in the blue lightning that Mace Windu reflects back at him, cries out to Anakin, “Power! Unlimited Power!,” I would have leaped out of my seat yelling with excitement. The entire movie is filled with an absolute splendor of the pulp sublime, and that moment is its very apogee. Lucas reaches historic heights in the filming of action: the martial artistry of Anakin and Obi-Wan’s double duel versus Dooku, the gaping maw of outer space and of the airshaft into which the heroic duo drops, Obi-Wan’s light-sabre fight with the four-armed Grievous, and, above all, the apocalyptic inferno of the confrontation of Obi-Wan and Anakin. I watched these sequences over and was repeatedly and unflaggingly amazed by Lucas’s precise, dynamic, wildly imaginative direction.

The scripted politics of the conflicts have a grand imagination to match. What Lucas brings to the script of the movie is a Shakespearean backroom dialectic of power-maneuvering. The dialogue is just heightened and sententious enough, just sufficiently rhetorical, to convey the grave moment of ideas in conflict and the grand mortal results of that dialectical clash—the making of a villain and the unmaking of a republic.

>It was hilarious, but awesome just the same

Thats where I turned the video off

The podracing was great when Anakin shuts his fucking mouth.

He made a good point about Hayden, his feature acting was decent, but all his lines sucked both in content and delivery. Poor guy really didn't have much to work with I guess.

Frank Zappa's words in vid related can be applied to the Star Wars franchise now
youtube.com/watch?v=xP4wsURn3rw

I am not being contrarian but I think TPM is the best of the prequels and I really can't understand why people like RotS so much.

I always thought while the acting/dialogue/CGI was bad, the movies were all important. If they were useless movies where nothing relevant happened, yeah I can get the hate. But at the very least the provide backstory, context, and make a complete story from 1-6.

The problem with the prequels is that they are completely unnecessary.


Instead of adding to the characters they actually made them worse.

Anakin went from a good friend to an asshole who complained about Obi-Wan behind his back.

Darth Vader went from being seduced by the dark side to being a power hungry hothead who got tricked into it.

The mystical Yoda teaches a class of younglings and jumps around like an idiot.

The Jedi order and the Galactic Senate were all idiots who got tricked by Palpatine.

The only thing they did was show that Obi-Wan was a really strong Jedi.

after watching Lucas give him direction, and seeing him act in other films, I feel comfortable in saying that Lucas was entirely responsible for the horribleness of Hayden's acting in the Star Wars film

I almost feel sorry for him, but he did make quite a bit of money

weird because ive always considered it reversed for the first two prequels.
Episode 1 is just ok, boring for the most part but has the great podracing scene and the fight with Maul is fantastic
Episode 2 is awful in pretty much every way

I might hate Episode III the most because it was the last chance to fix what went wrong in previous two prequels and it fucked it up even more.

Not bad, but it's not starwars.
Like how prometheus wasn't an alien movie.

I find it funny Lucas fucked up 3 times in a row. That's impressive honestly.

The prequels all feel like the first drafts of a much better trilogy. The basic outline of the plot is fine, and there are some interesting things in there, but the dialogue is rushed, it's full of plotholes....

Everything wrong with the prequels could have been fixed if

1.) George had been producer and not the director.
2.) George wrote the outline and hired a professional to write the screenplay.
3.) George had hired peopled who challenged him rather than yes men.

If these conditions had been met, the prequels would be as good as the OT.