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mix wasn't so bad, really liked the drum loop and the chord progression was nice as well, but that glassy melody thing was just not playing a melody that i liked. I don't really know what exactly it was, but try shifting some of the notes around or something. I don't have the best ear, but if you told me what chords were playing and what notes/scale the melody is using I could probably offer some better advice about what notes you might want to use instead
sounds anime/10 like professional anime/10 good job. nyc rainy day hip hop from 2003/10 giving me flashbacks of that era. nicely done.
Ethan Brooks
thanks a lot for the feedback. this is the most thought out feedback i've gotten in months in one of these threads.
as far as the progression i use keyfinder for my samples it said the chords were in F minor, but when i played around with that almost none of the notes sounded right. i went off ear but i'm like 95% sure what i have right now is c# minor pentatonic
Thoughts on the mix? Not mastered or anything yet so isn't as hot as it should be.
I haven't made anything it months and this just kinda happened when messing around on organ.
Jayden Rivera
some of the notes in the chords sound a little out of tune on the sharp side maybe? i'm hearing that a bit when i listen closely
Evan Allen
It's a tie between Hammond organ and guitar for me
Evan Hernandez
Not half bad, get some vocals over that and it would be interesting!
Lucas Young
we don't need a /prod/ board, these threads hardly get enough traffic as is
well, i played along in c#minor pentatonic on the ol guitar and it sounded good, so I guess I'd say stick with that. Even adding the Eb and A to take it out of pentatonic sounded good to me so it seems like it's E major/ C# minor. I think the problem has more to do with the notes not really following the chords tho. If you have any way to slow down the loop, try and slow it down to extreme speeds and play each note in E major (E, F#, G#, A, B, C#, D#), and listen for which notes sound particularly bad over each chord, then take a look at your melody and see if that's happening anywhere. Remember that just because your chords are in the key of a certain scale, that doesn't mean that all notes of that scale will work over each chord
I dug it user, had me jamming as I'm dressing up for my wedding today. Thought the mix was pretty damn good, and the organ was nice and tasty. Are you ? If so, nice Hammond
it's possible I suppose
Ian Bell
>dressing up for my wedding today congrats. may happiness never leave you two.
Joshua Jenkins
bass line sounds "suck my kiss"/10
Luke Long
Yep I'm the Hammond guy, thanks man she's an old beast, I actually ended up using my Nord for this
Also congrats on getting married, hopefully it brings you as much joy as music
Aiden Reyes
The bass is actually just my left hand on organ, hence is sparsity
Anthony Thompson
Post setups?
My craigslist special console, $20 works awesome
Owen Stewart
what do you make? how do you layer the guitar tracks?
i quad track rhythms and pan 100/100 and 70/70. outer tracks are brighter.
Austin King
I'm the guy that made the organ jam in this thread
Probably the one I am most proud of, at first one track hard left, then eventually one hard right, three mics used per guitar. Then one right in the middle doing very ambient sounds
Robert Campbell
Thanks user
Mason Diaz
Craigslist man, I got the Hammond off there and the big mixing console, and that les paul with the strings (which are cut now, i think i had just changed them in that pic)
Leo Powell
>tend to shy away from 100% panning my reasoning for doing it is because i find it helps to bring out the brightness in the drum room mics just enough to balance the "tinny" sound out. but if not coupled with inner panning like 70/70 with a thicker tone then you can barely hear them.
also, i should add that i never quad track the same tone with a hard pan and an inner pan as that just destroys the mix because the bass has nowhere to fit.
Thomas Mitchell
you could probably get a better sound with more headroom and atmosphere quicker than layering anything with just with an imager and a mid/side EQ
Mason Baker
Usually with guitar since I have organ or keys going on in the mix, to keep it from getting muddy I'll actually cut anything below 200Hz or so out, especially if there is a lot going on
Nolan Cooper
>clyp.it/xynzcjiv >wheels of fury what did you use for isolation to reduce the room sound on the rhythm tracks? super crisp riffs.
>clyp.it/udizn1cx >colours cascade yo that's some straight up david gilmour/david bowie tones!!
Jeremiah Nguyen
so on wheels of fury, alot of this is studio magic plugins, I recorded it with a marshall clone amp into a 1x12 cabinet at literally bedroom/apartment levels and then used compressors and tape saturation to get the big sound, and then a bit of either reverb or tape delay to increase the fullness, alot of it boiled down to the tuning being low and double tracking it very precisely (you can hear when it gets off)
also on colours cascade, thanks man! Pink Floyd fan 4 lyfe
Andrew Parker
>decide to record vocals and instruments >instantly get depressed, nervous, anxious, shaky every fucking time
Leo Jackson
clyp.it/yv3crnef this is a medley of mixes i've done with my own riffs. any pointers? really want to be able to get a good air.
Austin Campbell
are you the aus user
tones on the motorcycle one sound too smooth to me btw
Adam Long
colours cascade sounds really good how did you make these drums and organ
honestly guitars sound pretty good, very 80s metallica sound, fucking badass. I would work on making your mixes hit harder in general, crank the bass and drums and look into home mastering, if you want let me download it or send in an email and I'll home master it for you just to see what I could do
Carson Cooper
>crank the bass and drums i have this one that's a bit more bass heavy. still sounds a bit muddy to me though. clyp.it/uh5h5qae
Jeremiah Jackson
aus user? not me, I'm from Texas lol
Colours cascade is real drums played by a friend of mine recorded in my parents living room which has an open balcony and about 15-20ft ceilings, used 7 mics for drums.
Organ was a real hammond b3, with leslie 122 3 mics, two stereo on top and one for bass on the bottom rotor.
A big part of the sound comes from mixing, I will say I'm heavy on widening mixes with panning, delays, reverbs, and compression (slightly), then saturation. The works, I spend many hours/days on these mixes. Also most of them are treated after the stereo mix down, I'll go in and add light compression and limiting to make it kick.
Lucas Allen
oh shit my bad i didn't know it was metal. you could definitely still use the mid/side eq and imager to their full effect, but if you're making music like this layering is definitely better to do than not obviously. as far as other general shit the guitars could be compressed a little more especially with a multiband. some light saturation on the drums would help them mix with the guitars and make the track as a whole be more cohesive. also the guitars could be filled out in the low end with an EQ just a bit
James Barnes
the doubled vox sounds like a weird delay in some parts because of the timing. gets pretty solid in the chorus part, though.
i second him, give more attack time to stuff and maybe more high and top end to guitars
Wyatt Allen
Go A/B this with lets say Black Curtains by Megadeth, then try and copy it. That's how I'll do mixes, use a reference.
You could try scooping mids somewhat, mainly listen to the drums, listen to how they fucking crack and make your speakers physically move, that's what you want. Drums and bass are extremely important to the heaviness
Jose Murphy
my newest mix was this. clyp.it/g1pklbfy it still sounds off to me. like too processed. >more low end on the guitars and more saturation on the drums
thank you for the advice.
Noah Fisher
I can barely hear the drums over the guitars here, good rule of thumb have the kick and snare be the loudest things in your mixes. Guitar work is good though man!!
the guitars just need multiband compression and like a decibel or two db cut in 300-500 range
they are sorta boxy but theyre definitely more driving in the bass
the multiband compression will conserve the driving bottom end while pulling the high end together making it seem tighter and louder for a sleeker sound while actual decreasing it's volume for more headroom
Zachary Sanders
true for lofi study beats but not necessarily metal
Liam Ross
Listen to Sad But True, or really the black album in general, probably the heaviest hardest hitting drums ever imo, they are definitely loud ass hell. Try experimenting with a larger drum sound, try a reverb send. Set up a channel with a reverb plugin, and send first your snare track to it, then a bit of your kick, and if that doesnt do it, add a little of the OH's to create a space.
Andrew Edwards
no ones saying you shouldn't process your drums. it's just that in any given metal mix the majority of the time the drums are in fact not very loud at all and are certainly never the loudest thing in a mix with any lead instruments they should sit *just* above the rhythm guitar
perhaps we listen to different veins of metal, my personal taste is to have very heavy hitting mixes that sound BIG haha!
Easton Sanders
I personally think these drums sound weak, but run big time through 1176s, not loud enough
Connor Myers
you get big drum sounds with multiband compression, reverb, EQ and imaging not by actually turning the volume up so they're the loudest thing in the mix
Easton James
what is 1176 to them?
Wyatt Peterson
and saturation
Chase Johnson
No agreed, but the should be perceived as such, volume wise they are not the loudest things in my mix, but i carve out EQ's to make them stand out.
Alot of drum sound boil down to the room/drummer
Good example of drums that aren't too loud but more fitting of a sound (more roomy not overly compressed/wet sounding)
The snare is hella compressed (most likely through an 1176 and with a cheesy reverb)
Brody Myers
On the topic of drums
One of my guilty pleasure songs, it's so 80s but goddamn if those drums don't sound BIG, fucking MONEY went into this. Hard sound to get in a home studio
Elijah Sullivan
but they absolutely should not the leads should be perceived as the loudest thing in the mix
in the track you provided the drums are quieter than both the vocals and the guitar
If you're talking about modern metal, you are surely mistaken, listen how brutal the drums are, absolutely as loud as guitars. Perhaps not "volume wise" but cutting through the mix, absolutely, you hear every kick and snare hit clearly.
for the 800th time cutting through the mix has barely anything to do with actual volume. they cut through the mix SPECIFICALLY because of how processed they are the idea quieter drums should have less processing is just incorrect
Hunter Hernandez
and again they absolutely do not sit higher than lead instruments or vocals in almost any case
Tyler Lee
thas not kiss thats my cover
Levi Kelly
very nice but now there's no panned vocals? you could put some grain delay and reverb on just the one vocal and it will fill out a nice big wide open atsmophere and you could get away with no panned tracks
Blake Sanchez
what do you mean, theres already some stereo reverb and stereo delay on vocals
stereo isn't enough if you want to mimic the panned vocal effect you need to use a reverb that can generate a width greater than 100% and either a grain delay that has a built in imaging ability, an imager or use a regular delay in millisecond mode and make one ear the smallest number it can be and one ear like 5-10 milliseconds but that's kind of coarse and jarring
you using ableton?
Charles Anderson
that clyp is definitely better tho you could probably leave it there but the vocals could still sound bigger
Oliver Cook
"wide" is really the key and more often than not if it's just a button function rather than a width knob it's not gonna give you enough
Asher Morales
im not really '''''wanting'''' a doubled stereo effect, the original song doesnt have it anyway... its just a band recording youtube.com/watch?v=Ywb62nG8TkI but it would be cool, if it fits the song
>a grain delay that has a built in imaging ability that sounds cool, know any plugin names of it?
no reaper
any idea?
Henry Gonzalez
it's just me senpai
i don't have a good vst grain delay but they all do a pretty specific sorta thing but either way this is just my thing that i think would sound cool
the stereo imaging on the other hand is pretty much an industry standard
idk how he did it specifically but sounds like you could get somewhere similar with a funk break sliced to midi and a beat repeat or grain/glitch plugin
Wyatt Morris
and obviously the 808
Liam Gomez
>grain/glitch plugin recs?
Joshua Foster
nah sorry i haven't used one in years
Lincoln Davis
but you're looking for something like sugar bytes effetrix
Ian Scott
Can I mix on my mdr-V6 or am I heading for disaster?
I'm wary of dropping the money on monitors and an interface.
Brayden Cook
you can mix on apple earbuds if u kno how to listen to the frequency spectrum
Benjamin Bailey
how do you guys like my hip new track? i miss obama!
Get Kontakt, drop a breakbeat into a keyzone and set the sample start at the initial transient of the first beat, copy the keyzone and move it to the next key on the midi controller and move the sample start of the copy to the next beat and repeat until you have a keyboard full of drum hits made out of the break
Then program your beat using the slices, assign kick slices to kick group, snares to snare group, hi hats to hihat group and pitch them, adjust amplitude envelopes, add fx etc independently
Grayson Richardson
>clyp.it/igtmvrqc i like this gook stuff a lot. very cute so i saved it you've posted this every thread for the past week or so and now that ive heard it for the 3rd or 4th time i realized i really dont enjoy it. hope that helped. fuck you and obama. god damn taliban marathon runner looking motherfucker
Ryder Diaz
u schizophrenic m8?
William Rogers
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Juan Edwards
oh look it's the snares don't need reverb guy again
Parker Smith
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John Hall
your tracks are honestly not on mate. well shit actually and a bit tired if im honest (not him but i was in that thread)
Sebastian Wilson
>not him
u expect me to believe that?
Parker Young
clyp.it/user/onyudvef hey it's the roastie phoneposter again. you should consider locking your profile because my guests are having a good laugh at your progression, but do not give up little dude
Elijah Gomez
another try at recording definitive vocals, another shit take. sometimes it even sounds thin like i'm breathing helium or having my balls smashed, which is funny because it sounded ok while i was doing it. gonna try after i wake up, its when i usually record my most consistent vocals
