I think in the US, AR's just need to be banned as a whole. There is no way they can be used only for self-defense.
A lot of you like to use the argument that cars do more damage than guns, and yet we don't ban them. The only problem is cars aren't designed to hurt people. I do, however, like comparing guns to cars in another way.
Cars can be good. They take you places, do things. You pretty much need cars, though some would argue you can take routes like biking or buses. Guns are the same. A ton of people feel their homes are safer if they have a Winchester or pistol in the home. A lot don't, but many can respect those who do feel safer. It's like cars. A home defense gun can be used to kill up to maybe 10 people in a mass shooting. In a mass car rampage, you can maybe kill 5 people before something stops you. But not too many people make a big deal out of a killing spree with a shotgun or a car.
On the other hand, AR's are nothing but killing machines. They are excessive as home defense, and built to kill people. They're like a car that's equipped with blades, saws, flame throwers, and everything else one could need to kill pedestrians. Sure it does its normal job as a car, but is unnecessarily dangerous, and nobody should be able to own it. Why have weapons that can fire 700 rounds a second be open to the public? They just shouldn't.
Now I wait for butthurt rednecks to defend their weapons of mass terrorism with the second amendment
Mason Jones
I think in the US, armed police just need to be banned as a whole. There is no way they can be used only for self-defense.
A lot of you like to use the argument that cars do more damage than armed police, and yet we don't ban them. The only problem is cars aren't designed to hurt people. I do, however, like comparing police to cars in another way.
Cars can be good. They take you places, do things. You pretty much need cars, though some would argue you can take routes like biking or buses. Police are the same. A ton of people feel their homes are safer if they have a constable or sergeant in the neighborhood. A lot don't, but many can respect those who do feel safer. It's like cars. A policeman with a nightstick can be used to kill up to maybe 3 minorities in a spurt of racist hatred. In a mass car rampage, you can maybe kill 5 people before something stops you. But not too many people make a big deal out of a killing with bludgeoning or a car.
On the other hand, armed police are nothing but killing machines. They are excessive as law enforcement, and built to oppress persons of color. They're like a car that's equipped with blades, saws, flame throwers, and everything else one could need to kill pedestrians. Sure it does its normal job as a car, but is unnecessarily dangerous, and nobody should be able to have one in their neighborhood. Why have policemen that can shoot 700 persons of color a second be open to the public? They just shouldn't.
TL;DR: We should ban police with guns.
Aaron Mitchell
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Caleb Lopez
A) you're fucking baiting B) Assault rifles are the best weapon of defense. Consult anyone who knows anything about guns. Fucking liberal cuck
Blake Gutierrez
Now I wait for butthurt bootlickers to defend their fascists of colored oppression with the "without police we'll have anarchy" schtick.
Brandon Flores
It's a good thing I have an AR-10.
Austin Lewis
What's an assault rifle OP? Define it categorically please.
Jose Howard
Beautiful... The only problem is that armed police go through intensive training to earn their guns, and even THEY don't use much more than hand guns unless they're high up
Jeremiah Stewart
What don't you understand about this?
Is pic related so fucking hard for you to understad? you fucking third world immigrant
Adam Carter
And you're a dipshit if you think weapons that can fire 700 rounds a second are safe
True... But if every armed American gun owner shot at the cops coming for the guns. There'd be no cops left.
Assuming they kept trying to the last man. More gun owners than cops.
Its not to save ourselves individually, it's to save an ideology. Something you selfish cowards cannot understand.
Christopher Perez
I said "only" They CAN be used for defense, but fucking seriously? Way more often than not, they can be used to attack
Caleb Turner
Gun grabbers have taken all they're gonna get. We're not giving any more up.
Jaxson Nguyen
nice bait bro. do you get you paid or are you just a faggot naturally?
Angel Fisher
All these gun threads b/c of the faggot shooting in DisneyWorld is giving me a headache.
For fucks sake, the 2nd amendment is not just for self defense against other citizens. It's main purpose is to allow Americans to defend against tyranny; read up on Elementary American History before you start cucking for shitlibs
Joseph Clark
I don't understand how anything of what you just said has any correlation to what I said.
>I could outshoot a cop Yeah that's smart
Lincoln Jones
I never specified?
Bentley Cox
Applying this sort of criterion is destroying our entire system, as is the case with hate speech. Our foundational freedoms are recognized without criterion. We do not justify ourselves to the government, our government is supposed to justify itself to us.
Aiden Turner
Do you feel that the police, military, FBI etc. should have "assault" weapons?
Jacob Carter
>Bumping your own thread >Arguing with yourself >Samefagging on a board with IDs This is pretty pathetic, OP.
Tyler Murphy
why do you keep replying to yourself
Brandon Johnson
>we don't have machine guns
Technically, the AR-15 fires 800 rounds a minute (source: Wikipedia), which is 13.3 rounds per second.
Don't have to have machine guns. Assault rifles are deadly as hell and that's a problem
Nicholas Baker
>I think in the US, AR's just need to be banned as a whole. There is no way they can be used only for self-defense.
When Sup Forums became such cancerous?
Eli Hughes
Your outrage at "Assault Rifles" seems somewhat misdirected, the vast vast majority of all gun killings are done with handguns. Why not ban those instead?
Nathaniel Phillips
Yes, only the government should have guns.
Obviously, the criminals won't have guns either, because they obey laws.
:^)
Levi Gonzalez
You're honestly retarded. If the public can use weapons that the United States military uses, that's a problem. You can love your guns all you want, but anything more than 3 rounds a second is insanity
Anthony Lee
SNBI
Blake Wright
I don't give a shit, you're not going to lone soldier the United States government, no matter what gun you have. That said, you CAN lone soldier a gay bar and kill 50 people
Dominic Carter
TLDR you are an idiot, you are defective, kill yourself, I'm done arguing with idiots, you want to come take them, try it, I want a civil war, I want to be rid of people like you.
Carson Myers
Proxies. proxies all day. The perpetrators of the attacks in Orlando and today in Paris wave the same flag.
Parker Bailey
Ever see one of those kindergarten walk leashes with sometimes 20 kids on them?
A car could turn that into a 20 person massacre faster and easier than any legal firearm.
Jeremiah Cook
I could have burnt that club down and killed all inside with no more tools than a 30 minute shop down at the local store.
It's not the tool, rather the person and what they're capable of.
Jason Johnson
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Jonathan Cooper
I think they're rad.
Nolan Collins
Handguns are a problem, but there are too many who have the right to claim handguns are good for self-defense. But there is no way you can say that about assault rifles
Why should we be restricted to arming ourselfs with ineffective weapons? You can't fire 800 rounds in a minute with an AR-15 btw, but you know that hence your weasel language.
Aaron Gomez
sick burn bro ya got him there
David Martinez
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Cameron Evans
did you guys hear the shoot out with the swat team and him
You're right, the revolutionary war was only lone wolves with guns. The British army in the 18th century was completely incapable of dealing with lone wolves with guns, which was unfortunate for them because that was the only resistance they came across.
Connor Richardson
Exactly the same thing as every other gun, retard. There is no justification for banning an AR-15 that does not logically extend to banning all guns, and then in turn, every other weapon. (like, knives of every kind. Right birtbongs?) Though no other weapon has the the equalizing power of a gun and thus are all inferior for self-defense and self-reliance.
Alexander Lee
Oh no, my analogy has been disproven by a virtually impossible scenario in which a teacher walks 20 kindergarteners along the side of a road
Christopher Stewart
Soros or DARPA?
Michael Baker
Okay well thats the long term goal dumbass but we're still on assault weapons kthxbye
Joshua Morris
Why not ban handguns and allow assault rifles for self defense? It doesn't make sense, if you think banning a particular type of gun will cut down on murder, ban the one that murders use most?
Cooper Allen
Or, you know, any given street in New York City between 9am and 4am.
Blake Taylor
Chromosomes aside, your "3 rounds a second" crap is just a start. It'll just lead to more bans. We're not giving shit up.
Blake Parker
So any gun that's not capable of mowing people down is now ineffective?
Parker Cooper
>They are excessive as home defense
Confirmed for not knowing shit about firearms. An AR-15 is perhaps the best home defense weapon, unlike shotguns they are light, easy to handle, have low recoil and have less chance of over penetration with proper ammo.
By comparison shotguns are generally heavy, require lots of manipulation to use, are slow to reload, have punishing recoil + flash. In addition individual 00 buck pellets leave a lot to be desired in terms of ballistics, a 55 grain 8-9 mm round pellet traveling 1200 fps is really not impressive, being about equivalent to a hopped up .22 in terms of energy. only through a large amount of pellets impacting the target and at an extreme close range (due to pellets being aerodynamically poor and bleeding velocity quickly) can a shotgun live up its reputation... But truth be told most firearms at point blank range are extremely lethal not to mention shot placement has always been more important anyways.
And yes you do have to aim with a shotgun, you are accountable for every pellet that goes down range, best be sure of what you are shooting at and aim lest you kill or maim an innocent while defending yourself.
Daniel Hernandez
Those fighting were militias. Do you know what we do when we have problems with other countries now? Use our military
Thomas Thompson
You can kill 50 people in a bar with other weapons. For example, a fire-starting bomb. And it will happen in a country with guns bans. We haven't had massacres like this before because we haven't had killers that were really aiming to kill as many as people as possible instead of just killing a bunch of people. Ideologically motivated terror achieves that, like ISIS terrorists, or Breivik. Breivik is not part of larger group but Islamic Terror is stronger than ever, and not even close it's peak. Arm yourself for your own sake, or let yourself be killed.
Kayden Kelly
Is there a difference?
David Perez
AR is a meme rifle, he would've got more hits with higher penetrating rounds like the 7.62 istead of the .223
Michael Garcia
You can kill a lot of people with a car bomb. America just didn't have terrorists aiming for the highest possible number of murders, until recently.
William Jackson
We should not only ban muslims from this country, but we should also ban them from guns.
If we banned them from this country that would do it, however.
Xavier Morgan
If you'd like to refer to the main point of this whole thread, the aim would be to ban assault rifles because they themselves are excessive and deadly. I would rather have the more destructive one be removed, then move to handguns
Kayden Nelson
"We're not giving that shit up" is what leads to legally purchased weapons being used to terrorize the nation
Jayden Gutierrez
By the way I don't own any guns or have any interest in politics or religion whatsoever. Just here to troll.
Levi Davis
This. /k/ommando here and this user has properly stated the main reasons for why many of us prefer short barrel AR-15's for both home defense and property defense.
Anthony Lee
>Now I wait for butthurt rednecks to defend their weapons of mass terrorism with the second amendment
Easy peasy, libshit.
Just ban people from the middle east (specifically muslims) and the second amendment will never apply to them.
Trump obviously is on to something there.
Luke Fisher
Because they want to ban handguns in addition to AR-15s, and after that all the other guns. They don't care about whatever assault rifles are. It's just something they can ban and once they crack the second amendment they can shatter it.
Charles Bennett
And who fights the US military when our own country is the problem you dipshit?
Isaac Walker
Do you need to put 20 bullets in someone within 3 seconds to ensure that you're safe?
Luke Lee
We aren't giving up our rights, ever.
Aiden Martinez
I don't even think the car analogy is fair, because cars have enormously more utility than guns.
Almost every economy in the world runs just fine without easy access to guns. If you magically took away all cars things would get completely fucked.
Jayden Murphy
>"We're not giving that shit up" is what leads to legally purchased weapons being used to terrorize the nation
The libshits are on to something here. If they can force us to import enough muslim terrorists, we'll be forced to "give 'shit' up" like our rights.
Adrian Ortiz
something something RADICAL ISLAM something something
Liam Rogers
Why not? It definitely does ensure I'm safe. Why go for the minimum safety insurance. It's my life, and I cherish it.
Owen Ramirez
Your own argument is that there is no way to stop terrorism.
Noah Diaz
Why not? It certainly will ensure that I'm safe. Why should I settle for minimum safety ensurance? It's my life, and I cherish it.
Caleb Walker
>It's just something they can ban and once they crack the second amendment they can shatter it.
Obama knows what he is after when he refuses to recognize the muslim enemy. Ideology trumps all.
Matthew Sanders
It's an amendment to an amendment, and has been done hundreds of times before. The first amendment has had something around 15 additions to it to prevent certain instances of free speech. You do give up rights, but it's not always a bad thing
Cooper Rivera
The first amendment has never been amended. There are virtually no instances of free speech that are prohibited in the USA. If you think there are you are probably misinformed.
Zachary Gray
>Almost every economy in the world runs just fine without easy access to guns.
Meanwhile european countries are being flooded with rapefugees and their citizens cannot even publicly object without being charged with hate speech.
Yeah, that's running "just fine" if you are a nasty little libshit.
William Torres
Frankly it's always been his policy to never admit ISIS (ISIL lol) is real, and since Islamic terror is the ideology of ISIS it's logical that he would also not admit it exists.
Hudson Sanders
So does the right want to amend the 1st Amendment, specifically the freedom of religion part?
Liam Sanchez
You can have any religion you want, on American soil. But immigrating to America isn't a right.
Eli Clark
Ban shotguns as well since they can do the same amount of damage with a wider spread. You literally know nothing about guns, so stop talking on the subject.
Benjamin Jenkins
>It's an amendment to an amendment
Libshits claim they are are the educated ones.
Sebastian Evans
So, because a shit skin terrorist attacked us, we should turn in our weapons and disarm ourselves?
We should turn around and drop trouser too. Can't be giving the muzzies trouble as they rape us can we?
Justin Wood
SBR home defense masterrace
Juan Ward
N O T
Lincoln Williams
Do you understand the current process of immigrating to America?
Cameron Roberts
>White boy shoots up a church >We need to ban the confederate flag >Muslim shoots up a gay bar >Ban to quran? That's racist!
Yes. Illegals can't do it. They knew that, though. I've never seen anyone defend illegal immigration on first amendment grounds before, because it's a complete non-sequitur.