Why is this controversial in 2016?
There's nothing respectable or good about white supremacy, and there's nothing wrong with multi-culturalism or strong women.
I'm being serious. These are completely noncontroversial statements, and the film looks fantastic.
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Star Wars was meant to just be fun fantasy, not political.
There shouldn't be anything wrong with being a fan of the Empire
I am going to sneak in the theater with my little sister because I don't want to give my money to them.
Any good techniques how to do this? Good times to do so? Good excuses?
/adv/ please
I don't want to see the robot being destroyed, Short Circuit 2 scarred me for life
no reason for the comments to be made, no reason to tinge Star Wars with political stuff like that in any manner
not like they didn't already do it in TFA with the incredibly straightforward Nazi pastiche
When consuming entertainment medium like Star Wars I want to escape the shittiness of the regular world - not be reminded of it
Didn't pay for TFA, won't pay for this either
oh just fuck off with the Sup Forums shit
I swear this site is going to start being contrarian just to spite you fucking faggots
Sup Forums here
The film looks shite
OP is a faggot
be as pissed and contrarian as you want, Sup Forums still got their candidate elected
Use her as a distraction and sneak in.
This, the screenwriter is implying that kids who dress up as Darth Vader for Halloween are dressing up as a KKK grand wizard without knowing it
Because the empire has an established philosophy and it has nothing to do with race?
Not only is it a bad artistic decision to write movies based off of topical political themes (because it will make the movies tied to an era), randomly coating an established franchise with political messages is just disrespectful.
just wait 2 or 3 weeks to watch
the problem is i fucking loved empire toys as a kid
I wasn't playing fith german troops nor KKK for a reason
with disney making empire = KKK/german nazis they fucking ruin it for me
fuck this movie
But all the pol shit is just them being contrarians to elsewhere on the internet. How deep does this go?
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>Implying he isn't right about the analogy to white supremacism
Early reviews are extremely positive. Best since Empire Strikes Back apparently.
so only white people are human in the Star Wars universe?
In the context of why he said it he was basically calling 60 million Trump voters bad evil people.
I'm not American but if I voted for Trump I'd boycott the film unless he makes a sincere public apology.
>paid for reviews are extremely positive
Disney pls go
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>"Palpatine was another virulent speciesist, though he kept this trait well-hidden while he was a senator and supreme chancellor, and only showed his true feelings once he ascended to the role of Emperor.
>Indeed, at its height, the Galactic Empire was notable for its many speciesist policies and attitudes to certain worlds with Non-Human populations. On planets such as Eriadu, the homeworld of the Tarkin family, the Empire legitimized the enslavement of non-Humans."
Taking social justice and Sup Forums meme shit out of it, its just another unnecessary prequel. We already know they get the Death Star plans. We didn't need to see how they did it.
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if the empire is human supremacist then how does a Chiss become a Grand Admiral?
the reviews for TFA were good at first too
and no it wasn't a good film
If you read the tweet properly, you'd see it was clearly an analogy the Empire's human supremacism and real life white supremacism.
it would only be a good analogy if every single form of race realism wasn't demonized and called "white supremacy"
Everything is political, particularly a story about a group of underdogs fighting in the name of democracy against a totalitarian empire.
I do agree that the Empire is hella cool though.
yeah but why did they have to make it about identity politics?
It's a rancid abortion of an ideology
I can just about wrap my head around the Empire being anti different species, but white supremacist?
>There's nothing respectable or good about white supremacy, and there's nothing wrong with multi-culturalism
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TFA was great, but the politics of it made no sense to me. It's like they just made a bunch of random organizations with random names and I couldn't really keep track
>"Star Wars isn't political"
>half of episode 1 was about a trade embargo
Well...it kinda does have something to do with race in that it's all about the humans and fuck the alien scum. The point is HUMANS - ethnicity, gender or whatever doesn't come into. An Imperial would take a bi/trans/herm/blue haired homo sapien over a fucking Rodian any day.
This entirely.
Darth Vader is a cultural icon (voiced by a black man by the way) and even though the story is staunchly pro-rebellion there are plenty of arguments made in favor of the empire and the Sith in fan discussions.
There was never a political message intended in the entire struggle. It was just dumb fun. Now we have some dickhead doing what everyone else is doing in 2016 and making everything political
So the Emperor was trained by an alien, His first student was an alien, they have an alien Grand Vizier, an alien Grand Inquisitor and an alien Grand Admiral and I'm supposed to believe the Empire are human supremacists?
Calling the empire a white supremacist group is a really bad business move. The whole point of of star wars is to sell toys. I don't think that nazi toys are that popular these day
15 years ago there was a generation who would nod along like sheep to every article like this, virtue signalling was at it's prime. Now newer generations look at what is in place and actually bother to ask' is this actually a good thing'. That's all it is, the controversy is people have the gall to question progressives in the media.
Not easily and this was quite a big plot point in the EU - the fact that a non-human rose to the highest rank despite specieism is a testament to Thrawn's skill.
>Emperor was trained by an alien
Plagueis being a Munn is no longer canon
Speciesism doesn't mean he was against all non-human species. Sup Forums likes slavs even though they aren't white.
Because Thrawn's brilliance surpassed Sheev's racism.
That's literally the explanation in Zahn's books.
Slavs are white you kike.
a better analogy would be Sup Forums hating all Jews despite some of them being white
>Speciesism doesn't mean he was against all non-human species.
Well that's the point. It doesn't matter if the Empire is full of human xenophobes. If they don't have human only policies they are not human supremacists.
>led by a white woman
Dropped
Whats wrong with white people being proud to be white?
>and the film looks fantastic.
Looks like "It's 2016!" meets two lines from a late 70's space adventure film.
I really hope it's good and not full of gay quips and bad funny lines like "Durr I'm in charge now Faisma!"
Considering every single Imperial shown in the OT was a human, it's safe to assume that the ones they let in were rare exceptions to a rule.
>Whats wrong with white people being proud to be white?
why would you be proud of your skin color?
Cause white people built civilization and invented everything we take for granted today?
Or they didn't want to spend a billion dollars making sure that fake races were well represented in the Empire.
And what did you do today?
Look up which theater your movie is playing in at what time. Buy your concessions before you go up to the little faggot tearing tickets. Know where you are going and make sure your hands are full. Make sure this is all happening about 5 min before the actual movie starts. Walk right past the guy tearing tickets without making eye contact. If he tries to stop you don't stop walking, just say "oh I've already been through, can't get my ticket". Try to not spill your spaghetti. Have fun
bribe the theater guards with your sister's virgin ass
I wrote more code to what will eventually be the world's first VR Porno.
How much awkward rebel cringe am i going to have to sit through to get to some Mendelsohn scenes and dogfights? Be honest now.
wasn't this always the point?
there were soldiers in the nazi army literally called stormtroopers and that carried over into star wars
it was always part of the original design of the star wars lore, if you didn't get this since you were a kid you probably didn't have very informative history classes or you were just dumb
Cause its part of who i am
>That doesn't already exist
Western civilization will fall apart without White male supremacy. Women literally vote to ethnically cleanse themselves.
>there were soldiers in the nazi army literally called stormtroopers and that carried over into star wars
but that's wrong, stormtroopers are from world war 1 you fucking idiot.
Forgot to mention if you're hard up for cash and still need your hands to be full you can easily scrounge a popcorn bag and drink cup out of any trash can in the area. Most come with a free refill. If the concession area isn't in immediate sight to the usher tearing tickets get those refilled and carry on with the plan.
That's onlyif you're really cheap enough to become a trash corn eating slag fuck though.
GREAT attempt, shill.
You have a headset that lets you see shit.
Big whoop. I'm talking full VR experience. Something that will let you FEEL what's happening.
That does not exist yet.
>Millennials actually believe Star Wars is meant to be apolitical when Lucas himself said he based the Empire on Nazis and the Brits, right down to their uniforms and calling their shock troops Stormtroopers while giving all their officers British accents
>>"Star Wars isn't political"
>>half of episode 1 was about a trade embargo.
Right, so political.
I mean theres even a congres where they talk about...Stuff.
Lucas really went Oliver stone in there.
Mr Smith goes to Coruscant when?
tomatoes, tamatoes my nigga, the point is that they bored an awful lot from that period of german history
>empire is racist
Yep, based on the Nazis. That's fine.
>muh brave women
It's not BAD, but it just feels like needless pandering.
>gets called out on telling lies
>haha it's all the same man
the Nazis did not have stormtroopers. stormtroopers predate the nazis by 20 years
Nazis weren't racist.
I always assumed the admirals and general populace was human supremacist and Palpatine just went along with it but didn't care, basically just a crafty politician
No, there were Nazi stormtroopers. They were just a paramilitary thing during the Nazi's rise to power.
Why did George allow so much merchandising for these big evil nazis?
haha who cares mate it's a movie
but if you honest don't see nazi connections in 4-6 and 7 you're pretty slow to be honest friend
ethnicist, I guess. They considered Slavs a separate race, right? And they didn't like Africans.
>And they didn't like Africans
It was the 30s/40s. No one liked Africans. Guess why? Cause they were filthy savages. And they still are.
They were fine with Africans if they stayed in Africa
Star wars is political in the same way a teen thinks "political" means.
One side good one, side bad.
Is hilarious that they want to give deep to such a shallow concept.
Is a fucking children movie designed to sell toys.
You guys are all so smart, surely there has NEVER been political imagery in a Star Wars movie, not the least alluding to parallels with the Nazi party.
>"The fact that fascism inspired the look and feel of the Empire is no secret. In fact, Star Wars creator George Lucas even refers to the Imperial officers in The Empire Strikes Back as “Nazis” while giving his commentary of the film. He specifically mentions their militaristic dress, noting, “The Nazis are basically the same costume as we used in the first film and they are designed to be very authoritarian, very empire-like.”
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This movie is engineered to appeal to China so that Disney could expand its hold in that market which very soon will completely swamp America. Disney is removing American values from its movies and substituting them with foreign ones and liberals are praising it.
I'm glad you agree.
how car ANY of you even COMPARE the Star War franchise to ANYTHING political
>Rogue One looks great
No it doesn't, you fucking shill.
what are you guys STUPID? it is a CHILDREN'S movie, made for CHILDREN. They would never even DREAM of putting images alluding to Nazism into a CHILDREN's movie.
>at first
TFA is still amazing though
>TFA was great
I can tolerate a lot in a movie, but TFA really tried my patience the entire run. I was actually expecting something like A New Hope in terms of the tone, but instead it was just a long chase sequence full of dumb shit and dumb people I didn't give 2 shits about because the movie never bothered setting anyone up properly.
Nobody I saw the movie with had a lot of good things to say about it aside from the black guy being a lot better than they thought he would be.
It's made even worse now that Rogue Squadron is basically getting it's own movie, something I've been waiting for forever, and it's already tainted by LE STRONG FEMALE PROTAGONIST KILL YOURSELF WHITEY horseshit.
GUYS PLEASE THIS IS REALLY HURTING MY HEAD THERE IS NO POLITICS IN MY FAVOURITE SCIENCE FICTION MOVIE
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Lucas liked to draw comparisons that the audience would recognize and connect with but have no connection with the actual content. He was a big believer in symbolism and story archetypes and that kind of stuff. The empire is bad, and nazis were bad, so if we make the empire look like nazis the audience will immediately realize they are bad. That does not mean the empire was nazis, as they observably weren't.
The best example of this is the Anakin = jesus thing. Obviously he intended the connection there, but there is no christian mythology or spirituality in the film whatsoever. The jedi and the force are based on the east
I want Lucas and Jar Jar back. Fuck this shit.
The key term is "based on."
It's a storytelling device meant to portray the Empire as evil. It's space fantasy in no way meant to be allegorical.
I bet having sex with your sister would be more enjoyable and a better use of your time. Do that instead
From the perspective of a minority, it's just lazy writing that attempts to make this seem more relatable. Whites aren't always bad. Minorities aren't always good. Nationalism isn't inherently evil. It boils down the complex nature of humanity into a near meme.
Nobody in this thread is arguing that the empire are nazis or that Star Wars was a 1-to-1 parallel to WW2, but the first response to this thread along with many like-minded people to follow claim that there is literally nothing political about the Star Wars franchise and that they're entirely apolitical children's movies.
The fact that Star Wars has this nazi imagery inherently makes it political, the film is explicitly loaded with political imagery that clearly runs much deeper than simply associating one evil with another.
Also, due to the jesus parallel and the eastern spirtuality it would be dumb to say the film is completely devoid of any religious connotations either. That's like saying that the Matrix is devoid of political/religious meaning.
The fact that their are visual references to and historical parallels with the nazis is, in and of itself, allegory.
>He was a big believer in symbolism and story archetypes and that kind of stuff
>implying
All that "muh hero's journey" stuff was retroactively introduced to make the original series - and Lucas - seem deeper than it really was, when all he really wanted to do was a Buck Rogers knockoff. The ewoks and more importantly the prequels were a pretty clear indication that Lucas really wasn't as deep as people thought he was
>believing that fascism and white supremacy are the same thing
You can't deny the association
>empire is white supremacist organization
>employs blacks and treats them like any other person
Sure thing!