Would you say he's the most influential music critic alive?

Would you say he's the most influential music critic alive?

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no fuck off

yeah probably

yes

without a doubt

definitely. he has 3 types of viewers: the ones that will blatantly disagree with everything he says just for the fuck of it, the ones who are fans but unaffected by his reviews, and the ones who ride his dick with every single opinion

never even heard of him until this site, you guys live in a bubble. try someone who writes for a major publication that is read all over the world first, not a guy who makes videos for dickheads

He's fucking terrible at it but Christgau super popularized (and plagiarized) the Bangs style of being a snide asshole who doesn't actually review the music, which is insanely prevalent.

the dude thinks the Blue album is better than Pinkerton so i'll let that speak for itself

shut up bitch nobody gives a fuck about any gay ass newspaper critics

>the dude has a subjective opinion on music
i don't quite see your point

he thinks it's "objective fact"

Perhaps he likes tight and varied pop more than conceptual power chord melancholy?

I prefer the latter but that's because Rivers gets all Baroque KISS at times on Pink.

Either you're old as fuck or you don't have any friends who's actually into music. I don't know a single other person who comes here, but I know about a dozen who watches Fantano.

i didn't say newspaper. there are these things called MAGAZINES and WEBSITES. they have vastly more influence than a guy who makes videos on youtube. OP said most influential, not who does Sup Forums care about. y'all are in a serious bubble here, nobody who knows who this guy is in the real world outside of kids on the internet and that is nowhere near as influential in terms of criticism as pitchfag or rolling bone or entertainment weekly. that's where music is marketed and determines who gets reviewed via labels and is read by normies and patricians and all he has to do is make a video, he has no credentials and will never be taken seriously except by dicks on the internet like every stupid dick on this site, who are now ultimately making daily brockhampton threads. go out in the real world. nobody cares about this shit except on here which is dead traffic, extreme low activity music board

no, you're young as fuck and have no idea what the numbers are

I am inclined to agree because I've never met anyone in life who talked about him but my little brother so I suppose it's more of an age thing.

Magazines are already out. Music reviewing sites are already being eclipsed by guys like Fantano. Just checked the stats: Pitchfork gets about 240-250k readers a day, while over the last month Fantano has averaged 400k views. Fantano could easily write for pitchfork, but in my opinion, when it comes from a single person not tied to a larger organization, who provides tons of reasoning behind his opinions makes his reviews seem more authentic and more influential. And I'm not even a Fantano Dick Rider, I disagree with most of what he says.

this

all my friends are independent artists, i'm pretty much the only one without a band and only a few Sup Forumstants know of him

What about the ones like me.
I sometimes agree and sometimes disagree.

>music critic
you keep using that word
I don't think it means what you think it means
internet celebrity is not a music critic

then you're the second one. if you don't let his opinion change your opinion on an album you're good.

unironically happy for him and how far he's come. after grinding for a decade he must be rolling in that youtube money now

...

or the type who loves him but tells everyone he's shit to look cool (everyone here)

lol, ok, as someone who actually socialises quite a lot (i know right, someone on Sup Forums with friends), quite a lot of people that this board would call "normies" know who he is, like cool people in school knew this guy just through light browsing on youtube. This isn't a bubble, TheNeedleDrop has become a well respected brand publication in and of itself, and people all over the world digest his content.

got no problem with him but i know a ridiculous amount of musicians and music geeks and nobody has ever mentioned him or heard of him, they also don't use this site under any circumstances because it has a reputation as being alt-right. his influence is on young, impressionable people who are using he internet to try to force themselves to catch up on listening and not "be a pleb" rather than people who themselves have bought thousands of albums and read countless reviews and articles in major publications over the years. it's not as influential as it seems because it is so narrow in who it is aimed at and how easily people can dismiss any of these youtube guys as hacks, no offense.

yes but normies are influenced by labels and so is fantano. it starts in the major articles where the money begins, he just picks up afterward.

we aren't talking specifically about how known he is but how INFLUENTIAL he is which is very different. as a critic, he does not carry the wright (yet) of the majors where the marketing goes to which sets the tone for whether things are gonna be 'good' or not. he can come in after but he will always just be reacting in a video

Since no one gives a fucking shit to music reviewers, you could say so.

Oh c'mon guys this isn't subjective music, we can have a definitive answer to the question in 5 minutes of googling.
Here are the stats of theneedledrop YT channel (via socialblade.com/youtube/user/theneedledrop/monthly) and Pitchfork daily views (via quantcast.com/pitchfork.com#trafficCard). As you can see from the data, Fantano generally gets more views. One can argue that the numbers measure sorta different thing - after all, one visit can equal multiple reviews, but to that I would say that Pitchfork also has multiple reviewers and non-music content, and we're not taking into account Fantano's other channel.
So, is Fantano the most relevant music critic? Yes, it would appear so. And by the way your babbling about how many people know him and who lives in a bubble are also fucking retarded.

normies are told what is good by major reviews, i.e. kendrick is forced down their throats and then he reacts and gives it a good review because he then can position himself as knowing what is good. the more money you have for reviews, articles etc. via a label, the more they push your band then the better you stick and frankly the review becomes less important, like drake does not need good reviews and the last jedi as a movie can have them but people reject it but the marketing is there and they will make their money even if it's bad. oscars are you have a company pay money and you get your nomination via a pr campaign, that's why small movies have no chance unless they can cough up money on that and forego production costs or there's a good deal in place to rerelease the film just before the oscars, i.e. capote and getting philip seymour hoffman an oscar which was good for the companies. fantano is just a guy watching it and doing the research of what is out there for people but the business tells you what is good. mu used to avoid it all and make its own rules. now mu listens to and worships kendrick. basically mu has no point, you can just go to fantano and fantano just goes to pitchfork and rolling stone and thet are bought by the pr money. it's mind control via exposure and people hating it is more free publicity.

numbers are nothing. a band can buy a million views for a youtube music video. get real, buddy.

are there SMART people on this board anymore

Fuck off, if someone can buy YT views the traffic can be inflated the same way.

>MAGAZINES
are you living in the 2000s???

but the traffic is irrelevant, you have to have big dollars to get the publications to ever notice your artist. that's where the influence begins, you buy reviews

fantano is only going to review what is already out there confirmed artists paid up dues by big campaigns, and those initial reviews that give the artist credibility are not him

have you ever been to a store and seen an artist's face on a magazine, it has a million times more exposure than a youtube guy. they only get on that cover because the label paid. those critics who get that first review, they are the ones deciding what you will talk about on this site. not fucking fantano, he just reacts

His meme reviews > his music reviews.

i reckon hes a fun guy to listen to sometimes, but i dont see why everyone is so bent out of shape over him. do you lot dislike him because he prefers x album from y artist of z album, or is there something more nuanced that im not seeing?

He's mainly disliked for giving [person's favorite album] THAT score and bringing people from YT to Sup Forums. Oh, and for hardcore dickriding fans, although I'm yet to meet those.
He's alright. It's just Sup Forums. Sup Forums can't love.

i dislike the absurd notion of a single individual purporting to be an expert on all genres, no real critic would do that. and he makes an ass out of himself attempting to review things he has no understanding of - but he is lovable for that. he is perfectly suited to this board

This is a good post. I miss when Sup Forums was elitist to a certain extent. Sup Forums is now indistinguishable from every other music forum on the internet.

right on, the mind control is complete. we're just consumer robots for major labels and indie labels are bought by majors now too. there's no ay in unless you have that green paper.

As much as I disagree with the post, I think it would be refreshing to see a completely independent, elitist music forum. Just, unironic question, how do you measure such things? Surely it mustn't be just disliking mainstream like Kendrick, that's just stupid contrarian. And if music enjoyment can be boosted by marketing and good reviews - what is the point of such forum anyway?

every so often you get a freak runaway grass roots success and then major label scoops it up and ruins it with money. it's been like this for a while. that's why rap is pop now. everything goes pop. they make corny shit for the masses.

you have to reward artists for being independent more and reject them when they sell-out. something which mu no longer does but sorta tries to but is warped because this place is overrun with normies. sorry to keep using lame terms but they help, i think. basically you'd have to create a forum that says we are about boosting artists we like who have been picked up by major labels rather than sit around and be fed what the reviews tells us about, and deliberately not post about stuff that is already available elsewhere. sort of like being elite, but that didn't last and here and frankly it becomes contrarian and silly. the system is the way it is because we really don't have the power to boost things as much as we'd like because the normies here will shun the unknown artists or just ignore it because it hasn't been validated by major reviews. all you can do is find your own shit and hang with it and buy stuff you like and talk about what you like that maybe nobody has heard of as much as possible and try to tone down on the 'kendrick is king' threads. i have no hate for him, just using him as an example. think before you shitpost and think before you reply to a normie post.

>who have been picked up by major labels
oops, artists who have NOT been picked up

Thanks for clarifying, I see your point. I just think you paint it way too black. Now that I think of it: for example, Sup Forums boosted Have A Nice Life's Deathconsciousness. Would shit like this be possible today?
Honestly I dunno, but I'd say probably yes.

how do I discern normie posts

i just want to make a clear point that someone can read and understand, of course there are exceptions and don't mean to be cynical or black and white. mu has power, indeed. i just think we face a huge shitstorm, for better or worse, of lil peep type shit that maybe we should have two boards. one for discussion and one for feels threads

you have to use your judgment of what you consider to be something that is potentially overexposed mainstream stuff that is posted daily like when DAMN released, just avoid that shit, don't feed it. don't feed silly shitposters if possible. don't be a shitposter. if we had more self-respect for our own space here it'd be better but we are frankly infested with vermin and acting like it's all good and well and eating with the rats and joining in on the shitposts too much. the soy posters would go away if we didn't feed them or react. if someone dies, we don't need 20 active threads. if a new album drops, we don't need 20 active threads. if we can't altogether ban it, we can do our best not to react and feed it. a little goes a long way.

Yes he actually makes artists kill themselves.

Case in point.

This Was [Island, 1969]

Ringmaster Ian Anderson has come up with a unique concept that combines the worst of Arthur Brown, Roland Kirk, and your local G.O. blues band. I find his success very depressing. C-

Stand Up [Island, 1969]

Fans of the group think it's a great album. I am not a fan of the group. I think it is an adequate album. B-

could also just be super mean and say fuck this board and let yourself be guided to music here and there and not try to find it so much, and screw what anyone says about it

Especially the second review. If I were reading this gibberish in the Village Voice in 1969, how the fuck was I even supposed to know what album I would be spending my fucking $7 on was like?

Duh.

Lil Pump 7/10

lol..
hes afraid of the melin

:~ )

>influential
>music critic
choose one and only one.

>XCX fangirl
dropped

he's dead tho

Yes. This is objective fact at this point and cannot be disputed.

The Blue album is better than Pinkerton. The fact that people think otherwise is baffling to me.