everyone go on and on about Rey being a mary sue
but it seems everyone forgot about this little snotface
he:
built advanced droids by himself with zero training
built a fucking podracer by himself
won against experienced podracers
piloted ships with zero experience or training
repaired queen amidala's ship by himself (at least claimed he could)
..... at the age of 10
and that's why everyone hates him
Are you expecting someone to defend kid Anakin in this thread? Because they're not.
Midichlorians, bro. It's like you didn't even watch the movie.
Is he still active on Steam?
He's literally the incarnation of the most powerful """""""force"""""""""" in their reality.
Imagine Jake Lloyd in episode 3 instead of Hayden. Would he have played a better pre-prosthetic Vader?
Was he angry because he was a repressed homosexual? He built a robot when he was eight and programmed it, by himself, to be gay
i doubt it. kid was an awful fucking actor. hilarious that they spent like 2 years trying to find the perfect kid and they picked that little sperg. it's not a coincidence that he never acted again.
I don't really know if his acting chops are good enough, but if he was a good actor as he got older it would've been a lot easier to believe that he became the grey pickle man we see at the end of Jedi when Vader's helmet comes off.
I mean, age and having your whole body barbecued on hot coals could turn sexy Hayden Christensen into ashy pickle Vader.
>a character that everybody hates
>a movie that most people hate
>"haha what now, sexists!"
At least kid Anakin had the dumb prophecy and was established to be technological genius in The Phantom Menace who build his own pod racer and droid. As dumb as all that was it does establish him as a more competent character than some orphan scavenger girl. There are kids who are that technologically savvy in real life so it isn't even that much of a stretch.
Kid Anakin was a Mary Sue in some ways but not nearly as bad as Rey was. It took Anakin his entire life before he fought against a Sith Lord.
most of those points are explained in the film and makes sense. The force helps him with his reflexes thus giving him an edge in podracing. In comparison to Rey, he uses the force to enhance his reflexes, Rey is able to resist Kylo's interrogation, use a jedi mind trick, and force pull a lightsaber to her.
His experience with the podracing directly translates to his ability to pilot the naboo ship he uses. Once he gets used to the controls again his past experience and reflexes help him out. Rey never has any possible explanation for being able to pilot a ship (unless you pay attention to the novelization where she apparently had access to a flight simulator she used every day)
Also he works in a junk shop where it is highly likely he has worked on and repaired many different droids thus giving him the materials and knowledge to try and make his own droid and potentially build or repair his own podracer.This is the only thing comparable to Rey in that as a scavenger for spare parts it is plausible that she would have a strong working knowledge of ships and droids that could translate to fixing the millennium falcon.
>but it seems everyone forgot about this little snotface
what the goddamn shit are you talking about?
only powerful females can be unrealistic mary sues. unrealistically powerful male characters are called 'heroes'
No one liked the prequels anyways, user. You're not special.
At least we got the midichlorians with Rey all we have is she has a large vagina.
Difference is....
He doesn't made it all in like 1 second.
No one forgot. No one cared cause the movie was shit.
It would have helped if Rey got all those force powers in episode 8.
Those films aren't canon...
See
There's literally no consistency in how the force works and this is a bullshit excuse.
So you just forgot that everyone hated kid Anakin as a character?
Unrealistically powerful kid characters are usually called "annoying little shits".
the inconsistency really only applies to Rey. Even with Luke the force really just helped his reflexes and it was only through training that he was able to properly use the force. Rey just immediately can do everything with no setup and no training. That is one of the most frustrating things about TFA, it isn't consistent with the other movies and doesn't try to be.
everyone hated him because everyone hates child actors and thus child characters.
Anakin wasn't a Gary Stu because absolutely everybody loathed him
Midiclorians
Why didn't he do any of that stuff when he got older?
Alls he was good at was light sword fighting and telling people that they underestimate his power
See:
At least there is a canonical explanation for him being gifted.
Furthermore, look at the abilities that you are citing, OP. He's good at building droids, building podracers, repairing ships, racing podracers, and piloting ships. All of that can be explained by the fact that he's spent his entire childhood on a desert shithole planet as a slave for a junkdealer. He's spent his entire life working around these machines, so it's only natural that he would pick up technical skills that would allow him to build, repair, and pilot vehicles. It actually makes sense for be gifted in these areas given his environment.
Rey had many of these same skills, but what I think pushed people over the edge with her is how quickly she learned force abilities and lightsaber combat. We don't see young Anakin do any of that stuff in Episode I. It's only after the timeskip in Episode II that we see him having learned force abilities. His skills in Episode I are all technical in that he has learned to be good with his hands from working for a junk dealer.
Lastly, Anakin can't be a Gary Stu because he has a shit life. He's literally a slave on a desert shithole planet. Even after he's freed, his mother is still kept in slavery. In the following two films we also see him for the arrogant, angry edgelord that he is. Nothing about these traits are desirable, so he's not a Gary Stu
tl;dr: OP is a fag
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>Was a slave and worked in a junk shop his entire life, hence why he knew so much about technology
>Had never even managed to finish a single pod race before the events of TPM
>All the other kids made fun of him when they saw his pod racer because they thought he was going to lose like he always does
>Could only build his pod racer because he was smuggling parts out of Watto's shop, and he could only get it entered because Qui-Gon said he had won it in a game of chance
>Only won the pod race because he got lucky and his pod malfunctioned at the start, thus forcing him to stay behind while Sebulba systematically killed off most of the other racers, sparing him from getting BTFO within the first few minutes
>Didn't want to leave with Qui-Gon at first because he was still attached to his mother (An attachment which later contributes to his downfall)
>Wasn't accepted as a Jedi padawan at first because his future was clouded and he showed signs of arrogance and fear
>Accidentally turns on the Naboo starfighter he was in because he was fucking around and didn't know what else to do
>Destroyed the droid control ship and survived only because R2 was helping him the entire time (He even mentions how it's on autopilot)
>Implying Anakin being a "Mary Sue" (which he isn't) somehow makes it okay for Rey to be one
>Implying TFA wasn't a soulless cash grab remake of ANH
>Implying OP isn't full of shit
Literally everyone hates him already you faggot
Are you retarded?
He built advanced droids because he worked in a tech store as a repair man.
He was good at pod racing because he had alien reflex given to him by the force like all jedi.
He also had tons of experience with podracing.
He wanted to impress Padme so he boasted.
All of this is totally within the realm of acceptable.
If Rey was a man, no one would be complaining
Not an argument, shill.
Watch the making of video where they interview the other kids for the role. The other kids were horrible too. Was the sixth sense kid too dang busy?
Aww, the little baby is trying to use big words. It's so cute how he doesn't even know thru meaning.
When Hayden shut his mouth, he actually did well. When George's shit wasn't coming out of his cakehole, and he was simply quiet during the Darth Vader scenes, he legitimately looked frightening.
Some also hated Anakin. Both Obi-Wan and Yoda had mixed feelings about him.
Also, even though he's really talented, he had one major flaw: he's emotionally unstable to the point of psychosis.
>It took Anakin his entire life before he fought against a Sith Lord
Anakin killed Darth Tyranus at like age 20
People defend Wesley crusher. Anything is possible.
TFA and Rogue One were shit, and people are finally starting to realize that Disney ruined Star Wars. Stay mad.
he was 45 when he faced Tyranus and defeated him, and he spent 37 years training and perfecting his sabre skills
the midichlorians kept him young
at least they bothered to give him a handwave bullshit explanation about midicholrian counts
everyone still hates him
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But everyone loves Rey, because America LOVES A STRONK INDEPENDENT WOMAN WHO DON'T NEED NO EXPLANATION ON HOW SHE DOES ANYTHING, SHE JUST CAN WITH A WAVE OF JJ'S JEW NOSE
after he spend more than half his life training and had quite a bit of combat and warfare experience
and remember the first time he tried, while he lacked the combat experience, he got utterly wrecked
...
Literally "The One". Nice try with the shitpost.
Rey is still Mary Sue, and the ST is shit thus far.
The second time, he also only really won because Sidious was coaching him from the background, telling him it was ok to let loose and fuck a nigga up.
>built advanced droids by himself
c-3p0 looked like a paint by numbers droid nigga
>won against experienced podracers
Because he was the chosen one, the force undoubtedly helped him
>piloted ships with zero experience
again, force and also prodigy
>claimed he could repair queen amidala's ship by himself
Could have been just baseless braggin
>at the age of 10
Anakin was written as a 13 year old, just George had an autistic episode and casted a 10 year old actor
even if that didn't factor in it was an acceptable defeat because we spent 2 entire movies watching Anakin grow and he was actually show to lose at least once.
He does something amazing but you have the feeling he earned it.
Same reason nobody calls bullshit on Luke essentially defeating Vader in VI, we followed the character, watched his struggles and saw his improvement.
Why the fuck does all muh "the one" only apply to anakin? It turned out he WASN'T even the one.
also why does midiclorians only apply to Anakin
>muh midiclorians did it!
couldn't it have been midiclorians in Rey? why is she suddenly a mary sue
yes she is on par with the stupidest character from one of the most hated movies ever, good job Rey
at least ani didn't master all the force powers by himself in the first movie
Well by that logic, we can say Rey is just very powerful force wise so she isn't a mary sue.
Nobody Fucking likes him! Nobody said he is not a Mary Sue!
Fucking who!? I think the only people that defend Wesley are because they actually like Will Wheaton.
She does something, without training, which 2 character with incredibly high potential still needed guidance from a master for.
Rey:
>was able to expertly pilot the millenium falcon, using death-defying manouvers, expertly flying THROUGH a derelict star destroyer, all without never even piloting the Falcon
>her first time using a blaster, she only missed once or twice, before becoming the next Annie Oakley, oushooting the stormtroopers who were trained since childhood
>without even being told how to use the force, she knows about force persuassion, and successfully uses it on a stormtrooper
>the first sith she ever faces, the sith I remind you a grandson of Anakin and was trained by Luke, was easily defeated, even though she had no prior saber training
The only thing I can defend Rey on is how she fucked up Ren. He had been shot in the fucking gut with a weapon that had catapulted people 10 feet backwards, he was incredibly emotionally unstable from shanking Han, decided to fuck around with Finn before getting serious, which resulted in him getting even more wounded, and he tried to seduce her to the dark side. Even ignoring everything else, if he had shut his mouth and gone for the kill at the end, he would have killed her. But because of that, she managed to rally and push his pasty ass back. That's the only victory I can really believe
So did Anakin, the OP lists all the things he did in the first post without training at 10 years old. Circular logic.
Note: I'm not defending Rey but simply pointing out you can't exclude 10 year old Anakin for the sake of being an apologist.
nothing anakin does is comparable to fighting a sith lord something he wasn't even capable of after years of training (evidence: ep II)
>was able to expertly pilot the millenium falcon, using death-defying manouvers, expertly flying THROUGH a derelict star destroyer, all without never even piloting the Falcon
10-year-old Anakin was able to pilot the Naboo fighter into the capital ship's hangar, then proceeded to destroy it.
>>her first time using a blaster, she only missed once or twice, before becoming the next Annie Oakley, oushooting the stormtroopers who were trained since childhood
This is literally everyone in Star Wars. Luke was the same way.
>without even being told how to use the force, she knows about force persuassion, and successfully uses it on a stormtrooper
Anakin is able to use force prediction when doing things like podracing without prior experience.
>>the first sith she ever faces, the sith I remind you a grandson of Anakin and was trained by Luke, was easily defeated, even though she had no prior saber training
Anakin single handedly stopped the entire droid invasion of Naboo.
They're both shit.
>nothing anakin does is comparable to fighting a sith lord something he wasn't even capable of after years of training (evidence: ep II)
How about stopped the entire droid invasion of Naboo at age 10?
That was just Dumb Luck though! There wasn't any skill involved in that!
that entire sequence was played of as 10% skill 90% luck
and like other said before, everyone dislikes Anakin in ep 1, the fact you're comparing any other character to that says enough about how shitty it is
>without training
He has worked likely his entire life in the junkshop working on and repairing droids, engines, and other vehicles. This gives him the materials and knowledge to make his own droid. The podracing they said that he has been racing for a awhile but has never finished a race before. This gives the possibility of him either teaching himself to drive or someone else taught him, either way there is clear explanation of prior experience before he wins the race. And he wins that race mostly because Sebulba takes out pretty much every other racer. His experience with podracing and his understanding of ships directly applies to the naboo fighter.
Again the difference between Anakin and Rey is that Anakin is at least given some plausible explanation and reason for him being so good at things. Rey is just good at things for no reason and with no explanation.
My favorite argument.
Thanks for using it. So if it's done by luck it's okay? You can swap Mary Sue with Born Lucky if you want. It's just as bad.
can remember it wrong but wasn't R2 in that fighter as well controlling it partially?
>It's just as bad.
so you're saying Rey is just as bad as Anakin in episode 1, aka a character so bad the only reason it wasn't the worst in star wars ever is because he appeared after Jar fucking Jar.
>He has worked likely his entire life in the junkshop working on and repairing droids, engines, and other vehicles
And Rey has trained over twice as long (exact age?) as a scavenger. It makes sense her mechanical skills would be as at least as good as Anakin's given her age and experience salvaging parts. Your argument works against you.
I am. That's my point. They are both bad and prequel apologists need to stop it.
>He has worked likely his entire life in the junkshop
precious 10 (ten) years
>10-year-old Anakin was able to pilot the Naboo fighter into the capital ship's hangar, then proceeded to destroy it.
Because it was on autopilot the entire time and R2 was there to help him.
>This is literally everyone in Star Wars. Luke was the same way.
Luke had experience shooting womp rats back on Tatooine.
>Anakin is able to use force prediction when doing things like podracing without prior experience.
Except he did have prior experience. Did you forget the part where they mention how Watto made him race, or where he mentions never finishing a race, or how Sebulba flashed him with his vents and caused him to crash the last time he raced?
>Anakin single handedly stopped the entire droid invasion of Naboo.
Again, because R2 was there to hold his hand.
WE WUZ MIDOCHLORIANS AND SHIEET
the force naturally helps enhance one's reflexes, this has been clearly established and makes perfect sense to be noticeable in someone his age. It is completely consistent with prior understandings of the force. Rey is perfectly able to use the force in ways that every other character in star wars has had to go through training to do. Rey's ability with the force is completely inconsistent with the other movies while Anakin's is fully consistent.
With the naboo fighter and taking down the droids it has been mentioned here by others that it was mostly out of luck not skill. Again that can be partially explained by his experience around ships and piloting along with his force enhanced reflexes. That is different from a one on one lightsaber fight with a "sith".
>leads police on a high speed chase screaming "NOW THIS IS PODRACING" until he's finally arrested
Truly, our hero.
except Jake Lloyed is a manlet
Luke was also an ace Landspeeder pilot. he could have gone Pro.
>Because it was on autopilot the entire time and R2 was there to help him.
The auto-pilot had its course set for the capital ship's hangar bay? Who programmed that in?
>Luke had experience shooting womp rats back on Tatooine.
So Rey never used any sort of gun in her entire life? How does casual hunting let you outmatch trained soldiers?
>Except he did have prior experience. Did you forget the part where they mention how Watto made him race, or where he mentions never finishing a race, or how Sebulba flashed him with his vents and caused him to crash the last time he raced?
Then I will submit an equally outrageous apologism and say the lightsaber she touched unlocked her powers.
>Again, because R2 was there to hold his hand.
Head canon.
>Born Lucky trope is okay but Mary Sue isn't
Arbitrary distinctions.
Did you actually watch the movie or did you just glean ideas from the plinkett review? Phantom Menace is a horribly flawed movie but the prequel trilogy as a whole is just mediocre. I guess we'll have to wait a decade until people really see the piece of shit Disney is shoveling right now. Or at least we'll have to wait that long until people start admitting it.
>The auto-pilot had its course set for the capital ship's hangar bay? Who programmed that in?
Gee, I dunno. Where were those other Naboo starfighters going?
>So Rey never used any sort of gun in her entire life? How does casual hunting let you outmatch trained soldiers?
She used a staff on Jakku. There was literally no mention of her ever using a blaster of any kind.
>Then I will submit an equally outrageous apologism and say the lightsaber she touched unlocked her powers.
And that's a stupid reason. When have lightsabers ever been able to endow force visions upon the people who touched them?
>Head canon.
It's literally said in the film that it's on autopilot.
I find TFA equally as bad as Ep. 3 and better than 1 & 2 just for having less cringy dialogue and forced humor. Plot wise they're pretty equal. Phantom Menace is plagued with plot issues right out the gate such as Qui Gon suggesting they split up for no reason.
its possible but is never explained. True her being a scavenger would give her knowledge on how things worked but all we see is her scavenging parts and then selling them. We don't know if she ever helped work on or repair ships or droids (except for her fixing BB-8's antennae). That is important information that would need to be included to make her abilities possible. A simple line like "I helped work on the millennium falcon for so and so" would have better established her character abilities.
Anakin had experience piloting via podracing, but we aren't given any explanation or experience for Rey, we just see her drive that one cruiser. That doesn't make her an experienced pilot who can fly the millennium falcon the way she does and leave the planet.
>This is 3PO! Do you like him? He's fluent in over six million forms of communication, including the language of some little teddy bear creatures on a forest moon I've never heard of. I built him to help mom around the house
he probably got his hands on a universal translator and just plugged it in
given where he works and the fact his boss does trade in rather obscure shit its not impossible (after all he had a warp drive suited for a custom ride from fucking Naboo lying around)
is he even seen doing ANY house work in the movie
>This is literally everyone in Star Wars. Luke was the same way.
let's stop with this meme, luke was only stellar at piloting, for the rest he simply had potential with the force and it took him three movies before he could use all the powers and fight a sith lord properly. In the first two movies he constantly had to be saved, he got whacked by a muslim immigrant, he had to be saved in the cantina scene, he had to be saved at the final scene.
talents: piloting, latent force powers granting him the ability of taking a well aimed shot
star wars II: empire strikes back: he had to be saved constantly, he's a good pilot, then he starts training properly but decides to face vader and gets whacked.
Talents: Piloting, he has been training with the force since the first movie and now has some telekinesis abilities and he can "force jump"
it's only in the third movie where he has mastered all the jedi powers (and even then he takes a step back from his role as a protagonist, letting the movie ultimately be about his friends and his father).
it is completely different from rey who has all the skills and forece powers and max combat level by movie one, and no flaws at all.
Rey stats in movie one (official):
hand to hand: 10/10
lightsaber fighting: 10/10
force powers: all of them/10
piloting: 10/10
start technician: 10/10
linguistic skills: 10/10
>Gee, I dunno. Where were those other Naboo starfighters going?
Not into the capital ships hangar bay. Not a single one entered it. Not a single one tried to. This argument is objectively wrong move on.
>She used a staff on Jakku. There was literally no mention of her ever using a blaster of any kind.
She used a blaster for the first time in the movie. A force user doesn't have to extensively train hand eye coordination. If it makes sense for Luke it makes sense for Rey. Casual hunting is not comparable to being in a fire fight.
>And that's a stupid reason. When have lightsabers ever been able to endow force visions upon the people who touched them?
Doesn't matter. If it's canon it's canon. When she touched the lightsaber some obvious shit went down. Apologism works both ways. You can't be selective about it.
HE also built it to be identical to robots used on Bespin and shit.
He was probably following manuals with salvaged parts, he didn't build C3-PO fully custom.
there is a distinction between learning and developing a skill and just being able to perform a skill perfectly even though you have never practiced or even attempted that skill, and arguably shouldn't even know about that skill.
They both have the natural tendency towards using the force. Every other force sensitive character encountered in star wars has required training to master the force...except for Rey. The only explanation people seem to give for this is that she was trained and then had her memory force wiped or whatever, which again is an ability and idea that has never been mentioned before.
Scavenging is inherently mechanical it need not be explained that it is. It is required for her to take things apart and put them back together in order for her to scavenge. She's actually been scavenging thrice as long as Anakin has been training (maximum) considering Anakin obviously couldn't train for 10 years when he's only 10. While that line would have worked, my point is not to justify Rey's abilities but to point out that prequel apologism needs to work both ways. If one goes out of their way to apologize for Ep.1 they must do so for TFA when comparing them.
>Anakin had experience piloting via podracing, but we aren't given any explanation or experience for Rey, we just see her drive that one cruiser. That doesn't make her an experienced pilot who can fly the millennium falcon the way she does and leave the planet.
Anakin's podracing is not comparable to Naboo fighter piloting same way as Rey's speeder piloting isn't comparable to MF's piloting.
It did not take Luke three movie's to use a blaster which is what my post was using that argument as. Don't red herring.
Off the topic I guess, but I'm sort of wondering why they're trying to sell Finn as the next Han Solo when he has all the charisma of a potato. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think the actor has the charm that Harrison Ford had in the OT.
>Casual hunting is not comparable to being in a fire fight.
Yeah, exactly, it's much, much harder to survive a firefight than casually hunting harmless critter. Which is why Rey taking out multiple Stormtroopers effortlessly the first time she touches a gun is jarring. Compare that to Luke managing to shoot a single torpedo down a vent shaft while being mentored by Obi. In the original trilogy they got into firefights, but most of the time they spent them trying to run the fuck away and Han did most of the enforcer job.
>Anakin had experience piloting via podracing
Anakin had experience in not finishing any races, ever
Disney equates quips with charisma and charm, its as simple as that
Rey hardly mastered the force. She "defeated" (not really, just battled to a stalemate) an injured Sith in training who already battled someone before her. That isn't mastery.
Rey's sudden knowledge of the force is nothing compared to 10 year old Anakin's unless you say "Anakin was just lucky!". Which is just as bad if not worse.