Help me clarify something about gun control

Is there a record of the number of mass shootings prevented by law abiding US citizens carrying guns?

What's the stat on that? I keep hearing the argument : if they had guns they could have prevented this.

Show me evidence, sources, etc..

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controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/
nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooting-outside-draw-muhammad-contest-texas-n352996
washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/
fbi.gov/about-us/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-2000-2013
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_of_force
twitter.com/SFWRedditVideos

The fact that most shootings happen in places where guns are prohibited should paint the picture for you. I carry and I disregard any gun free sign unless it's a federal building. The point is that concerts and gatherings already search bags and use metal detectors and everyone inside is unarmed and fish in a barrel. there are countless crimes stopped with people who have a CCW every year. You don't hear about it because nobody cares that Jamal was shot for mugging a guy or the clerk shot him at the gas station hold up. Mass shootings are so statistically rare and happen primarily at gun controlled zones that it makes sense why it hasn't happened

But there have indeed been a few shootings stopped with people who carry. One that comes to mind is that uber driver in Chicago.

Is there a record of the number of accidental shootings by law abiding US citizens carrying guns?

>tfw the Amarillo shooter was stopped by SWAT and not a ccer

You had ONE JOB, TEXAS

Here is a webm of a man saving his life before 3 armed thugs try and storm his place of business & ramming his front door with a truck as he is trying to close it down after a long hard day of work

>No casualties
>Nigger dead
That's mission accomplished

Look at the one in Oregon at that shopping mall. He was stopped by an armed citizen and then just shot himself like he should of done in his basement.

controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/12-times-mass-shootings-were-stopped-by-good-guys-with-guns/

No because mass shootings almost always happen in places where guns are not allowed, schools, bars, government buildings, gun free zones, ect. Mass shooters are cowards who pick places where they know no one will fight back this helps them maximize body count as people flee and hide like cowards.

Remember that time in Texas two kebabs tried to shoot up a 'Draw Muhammed' event, only to get lit up before they could do any harm? That was a good day

nbcnews.com/news/us-news/shooting-outside-draw-muhammad-contest-texas-n352996

Two gunmen were killed and a security guard wounded Sunday outside a "Draw Muhammad" contest organized by a free speech group at a school arena in Garland, Texas, police said.

The attackers drove up and opened fire on the security guard as the event was finishing up about 7 p.m. (8 p.m. ET), said Joe Harn, a spokesman for the Garland police.

Officers at the heavily-policed event returned fire, killing the men.

The suspects' bodies remained at the scene because investigators were concerned there could be a bomb in their car. A bomb squad robot was checking the vehicle, Harn said.

I was in las Vegas a coup!e years ago-
2 cops shot while eating lunch in restaurant.
2 suspects run away, into Walmart.
Citizen with conceal carry goes after them takes out first shooter, second shooter kills him, second shooter an hero's.
Without that citizen they killers would have taken hostages with ease.
But this never made the news.
Because it doesn't fit the liberal narrative.

And why doesn't the NRA or pro guns create a list of those events.

Hard evidence convinces rational people better than "muh 2nd amendement"

I agree, I will start to make a list, thanks for the suggestion, best of luck getting rid of shitskins in your beautiful country.

This is in Milwaukee, very proud of our conceal carry laws as well

If you get a list made (that's gonna be a lot of work) spam it all over pol so others can save and spam again.

>And why doesn't the NRA or pro guns create a list of those events
>I will start to make a list, thanks for the suggestion
I've seen some lists, there are some amazzing stories, heres two easy links to get it started

washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/10/03/do-civilians-with-guns-ever-stop-mass-shootings/

www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-guy-gun-stopped-bad-guy-gun/?page=1

This.

Most ccw folks, including myself, carry because they don't want to be mugged or attacked on the street by dindus who just want to attack someone. My main concern isn't mass shootings. If I were ever involved in a mass shooting I probably wouldn't even actively engage the shooter, but rather try and suppress him long enough to help me and a few other get away or try and drive him away from my area. It would be suicide to try and engage someone with a rifle when all I have is a handgun with a 13 round mag.

Also another shooting that was prevent by a ccw holder was the Oregon mall shooting back in 2012. Most of the media tries to report that he killed himself after his weapon jammed but they never mention he was driven to the stairwell by someone shooting back at him

The more "official" the list is, the more weight it will have in changing people's opinion.

Some copypasta on a tibetan based origami internet board won't do. It's a start but it's not enough to reach the average progressive Joe.

Creating and updating a factual, exhaustive list is a first step.
Second, and most efficient step, would be making it reach official, mainstream channels.

Because it's incredibly hard to tell when something WOULD have been a mass shooting.
Guns are used to prevent crime FAR more often then used in crime in the US.
GUN OWNER STOPS MASS SHOOTING will never be a headline because if someone stops it there was no mass shooting.

I think I may compile a massive list and make a simple website for it, all legitimately sourced and referenced for the casual viewer of course

Like you said, if it looks like it comes from a cambodian basket-weaving image posting board, it wouldn't be taken seriously

I see the hypocrisy here

Stopping a dude with a machine gun spraying on unarmed folks should be a heroic thing to tell.

There are between 750,000 and 3,400,000 defensive gun uses per year. They make a list because it would be too long.

Still, I assume NRA and pro guns organisms communicate on those matters, bypassing the mainstream media.

They are major social actors after all. They have a voice.

This desu. It would be a strong fuck off to the Marxists.

And what is it compared to the total gun uses p/y?

Also the kill ratio for defensive use vs total?

will do, look out for it today or tomorrow

There's very little, because only 1.2% of all mass shootings happened in non-gun-free zones.

Thats the problem. people dont understand that you dont actually need to discharge a firearm to have used one defensively. So a "kill count" isnt going to be relevant

A census of every police station across the nation would be required to give you the specific answer. There are 100s if not thousands of home invasions adverted or prevented due to gun owners.

There are even towns in the United States that -require- homeowners to have at least a rifle for home defense (Kennesaw, GA bylaws).

But to truly answer your question, you only hear of shootings happening where guns are -prohibited-

If that doesn't give you the conclusion you need, then you aren't paying attention.

There are a few, but most things like this happen in areas where it's illegal to carry, or where people wouldn't usually be carrying.

You won't be able to find truly accurate statistics. Most defensive gun use is unreported, because you just pull out a firearm and they fuck off. Even crimes committed with a firearm rarely end in a shot fired. The numbers you're looking for simply aren't available.

Same. I was at the Phoenix convention center during the bridal expo with a 9mm in my waist , no one knew , no one needed to know. All they needed to do was hit the dirt if something happened and I would of been the first responder

All in all it went fine. But since security was all hamplanets , someone's gotta be prepared

>If that doesn't give you the conclusion you need, then you aren't paying attention.

I just try to take the point of view of someone with no hard conviction on the matter, easily swayed by the mainstream media narrative, and ask myself how to turn it around.

The stats arent counted. In fact when you look at the US's total gun deaths, the stats you are looking for are buried in there. To the FBI Uniform Crime Report a gun death is a gun death is a gun death. Accidents, suicides, legal shootings, etc are all counted and equally.

The US has one of the most convoluted systems of tracking things like this. For example, if you take suicides, accidents, legal shootings, and police involved shootings, the US has lower rates of gun violence than 3/4 of the world... but that doesnt play into the narrative that the US needs to get rid of guns, so they twist the numbers and you end up with a huge scary number

>good guy with a gun stops bad guy with a gun
>different good guy with gun shoots first good guy because he thinks he was the bad guy with a gun
>cops shoot second good guy because he shot first good guy

CCW isn't entirely stupid but 9 times outta 10 if you get mugged or whatever you're not going to have a chance to see it coming and thus won't be able to get your gun out.

The CDC is literally banned from investigating gun violence because of republicans in congress, mate.

>Is there a record of the number of mass shootings prevented by law abiding US citizens carrying guns?

Yeah, it's zero.

fbi.gov/about-us/office-of-partner-engagement/active-shooter-incidents/a-study-of-active-shooter-incidents-in-the-u.s.-2000-2013

Only if you have the situational awareness of a cuck, which (You) obviously have.

Never touched a gun before, nor the military.
But based on my work training, of which contains of literally staring down crazies with an old-timey school cane...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show_of_force

This is only for open carry though. People (especially mentally ill ones) can be either dissuaded by imagery of guns or those possessing the guns will draw first fire.

No idea if there are any burger stats, but that's not my problem.