how did they get away with this movie? i don't find the immediate political allegory subversive, it's really nothing new. but the answer being a mass shooting? they live is incredibly violent and xenophobic. am i the only one who wonders if the aliens don't have some right to live too? strangely conservative for a film of hollywood's left... gets the blood boiling, makes you want to overthrow the powers that be. so like i said, how did it ever get made? is there anything the establishment likes less than genuine calls to action?
it's probably the most blatantly anti liberal movie ever. whether you figure it's a marxist parable or some kind of national socialism, it sure has no regard for those not like 'us'
But the aliens appear to be exactly like us and it takes Hoffman triple brackets for the pattern of rulership and mental slavery to be revealed. The aliens are our corporate masters and we need to seize the means of film production. Also why do you think it had such a such a low budget and stars a Canadian wrestler and Keith David (a.k.a. Black Eric Roberts)?
Isaiah Young
prettying weird mental gymnastics you have there when the aliens were clearly right wing fascists and the armed rebellion was a metaphor for left wing rebellion against the decadent bourgeois top 1% that was oppresing the lower classes
Nathan Jackson
i'm not doing any mental gymnastics. john carpenter directed the film in response to living in the regan era. i understand the allegory as mentioned above, "The aliens are our corporate masters and we need to seize the means of film production", but i am also acknowledging the prevalent anti-semitic reading of the film as 'exposing the jews' (it doesnt take much googling the terms "they live" to stumble onto it)
either way, i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder. the call to seize the means of production by violence is not liberal hollywood's message. the idea that one can spot an enemy by appearance, and that one can trust their assessment alone is not liberal hollywood's postmodern appeal to relativity. (nor mine for that matter... i could not with good conscience put a bullet in every capitalist for the crime of capitalism alone) it's so clear cut and straightforward it surprises me. it is both startling and refreshing.
if there were a hundred men like Nada we'd be seeing the gang from assault on precinct 13. carpenter's message is clear, and unforgiving.
Gavin Miller
>either way, i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder
Is this a joke?
Grayson Jones
apparently it was pulled from the theaters despite being number one at box office
Owen Gutierrez
why would the rich want to fund and distribute a movie that calls for their own murder?
Carter Harris
you must be a europoor he in 'murica mass shootings are the answer to everything
Brandon Brown
>in response to living in the regan era. Imagine what even 4 years of Trump presidency will give us...
Joseph Barnes
Nice dubs. You missed my point about it deliberately being set up the industry being set up to fade into obscurity (no big names, no crazy VFX [it came out after Predator, T1, the Andromeda Strain, 2001, etc despite looking like it could have been made in the early 50s], no budget) and only the truth of the message has kept the tapes circulating.
Christopher Diaz
>idea that one can spot an enemy by appearance You didn't even watch it
Angel Rodriguez
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Noah Cox
>no big names Carpenter's movies don't have megastars. What's the biggest name, Kurt Russel? I like him, but he's not A list celebrity. Ice Cube is a big name, but not for acting. Piper was pretty big in the wrestling world, but he got the part because he gave off a blue collar everyman vibe.
Robert Bennett
Endless liberal butthurt?
Gabriel Richardson
>get away with movie was doing well and then had its theatre run killed. John Carpenter's career is dead. No other movies like it were made. It's only talked about now because it became a minor meme over two decades after it came out. I'd say Carpenter didn't get away with it at all. Keith David has even suggested in interviews that it was deliberately shut down by the powers that be.
tl;dr very possibly actually happened. Watch Zizek for more They Live goodness.
Blake Nguyen
its hilarious how mouthbreathers on Sup Forums believe the movie is about TEH JOOS!111 but the aliens are really the right wing conservative racists who could turn out to be your neighbour
Benjamin Hall
>i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder. see every action flick from the 80ies
Xavier Harris
>liberal lol no, its explicitly marxist
Andrew Fisher
>anti corporatism >anti liberal lmao what the fuck are you talking about?
Juan Brown
The third act in this movie sucks.
really good imagination until it descends into shooty shooty territory.
Nolan Flores
Explain
Ryder Hall
>but i am also acknowledging the prevalent anti-semitic reading of the film as 'exposing the jews' (it doesnt take much googling the terms "they live" to stumble onto it) literally what in the fuck are you talking about? the aliens just represent corporate leaders and politicians ie white males and how they want people to buy a bunch of dumb shit they don't need and fall for empty political rhetoric. it's extremely anti conservative and do think it her wise just betrays your gross ignorance of elementary school knowledge
Julian Bell
honestly conservatives get more triggered when you insult trump than liberals do about him on this website
Xavier Reyes
explain what you mouth breathing moron? it's anti corporatism during the 80s republican neo-con reign of corporate tax breaks and an emphasis on big business at the expense of the middle class, which is exactly when the income disparity began skyrocketing in america. it's so explicitly and overtly liberal that you would have to be an actual retard to not understand that
Jose Stewart
>white males Might want to look up the ethnicity of those 'white males' you think you are seeing
The media is run by a majority of Jewish people. This is fact and is public knowledge that can be looked up
William Watson
>he thinks liberal means anti-capitalism Fucking kill yourself
David Collins
Dylann I thought prison has an early curfew?
Carson Rogers
your projections are irrelevent. the movie is targeted explicitly at reagan and right wing politicians and their focus on big business. there is literally nothing in the movie to suggest otherwise the movie isn't anti capitalism. it's anti neo conservative politics of the 80s. now try to rub your 2 brain cells together and come up with an argument that this movie is actually some kind of goofy anti jew propaganda
Jaxon Peterson
> now try to rub your 2 brain cells together and come up with an argument that this movie is actually some kind of goofy anti jew propaganda But it isn't? I'm not sure what planet you live on.
Robert Barnes
>noticing that a little of jew are in media is projecting Wow
>The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee.
Jonathan Green
Pretty sure people like this are actually paid JIDF style forum warriors. I see this kind of constant militant pro-Jew posting on Facebook and Twitter. Just check a trending story and check out all the sock puppets descending on anyone daring to call out the facts
Jonathan Wright
He meant neoliberal, not neoconservative.
Wyatt Cox
the movie is critical of a media that was supportive instead of critical of reaganomics and neo conservatism whIle incomes for the middle class was falling and social programs were being gutted. your jew posting is just your dumb conspiracy confirmation bias seeping into everything you see because you're an imbecile >John Carpenter: ‘They Live’ was about ‘giving the finger to Reagan’ google.com/amp/herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/john-carpenter-they-live-was-about-giving-the-finger-to-reagan/amp/ straight from the horses mouth
Xavier Miller
Basically this.
Asher Morris
Neoliberalism was basically founded by Jews, even Wikipedia admits this a few lines into the origins part, though they try and shift the focus onto the first person to note the term even though he didn't really start anything. The Jews did, as usual
Neoconservatism is Jewish, educate yourself
Matthew Jones
reagan and his cabinet and supporters coined the term neoconservative and applied it to themselves openly, it's not a fucking conspiracy. also neoconservativism believes neoliberal free trade policies, hence their emphasis on neoliberalism and free trade. please look up the definitions of the words and then finish 6th grade
Henry Cox
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Aaron Bennett
What is the difference? One is economics, and the other is the corresponding political view.
Asher Rogers
Neoliberalism is an economic policy Neoconservatism is said policy combined with political views. Neoliberalism has little to do with Jews, its basically just libetarianism in practice.
Colton Sullivan
Words, words, words, you sound like one of those stupid SJWs, you didn't even get what the movies was about, you don't seem to realize that you're part of the problem too.
Ian Ortiz
I don't care about you jew obsession you dumb faggot. neoconservativism is simply an 80s republican movement to cut corporate taxes and lower trade barriers (reaganomics) and shrink the government. the fact that you're completely ignorant of reagons policies or the term they used to refer to their beliefs is irrelevent. neoliberalism is simply laissez Faire free trade and open market borders, which was enthusiastically promoted by reagans administration. again, your ignorance of basic history is not my problem. also, carpenter openly admits the movie was anti-reagan corporatism. this entire thread is pointless
Owen Foster
Jesus, you really are JIDF >all these rich powerful Jews aren't rich and powerful because they're Jews, they're rich and powerful because they're white lmao
Kayden Rivera
You're missing the fact that the most brutal scene in the movie (arguably) is between the two friends. Violence is representative of awakening and resistance in the film, it's not supposed to be taken literally.
Benjamin Nelson
knowing that they live is an anti neocon/ anti reagan movie is not "militant" pro jew posting, it's just not being an imbecile
Carter Evans
it's still hilarious that the jews think opinions of them can be controlled on the internet of all places, but that wont stop them from trying.
Jackson Sullivan
Let me try. Trump=poop
Lucas Ross
The neocon movement is literally Jewish from inception
It was founded by Jewish Trotskyists who uad grown weary of anti-Semitism from black power and anti-capitalist groups on the Left
You're the one with no historical context
Jose Stewart
Nice high school understanding of neoconservatism there kiddo. Come back when you actually understand how all these movements link up and the shared players. I mean I'm a fucking graphics design major and I know that neoconservatism is more than just that purely from its relationship to similar movements and its context historically. The best redpill ever was to read Edward Bernays books, then noticing how every manipulation in history works the same way. Understanding manipulation and subterfuge makes politics a lot clearer in modern times and historically.
Jaxson Thompson
yeah i know "da joos". now that you have that out of your syste try to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into your sick obsession and actually refutes the points. which part do you disagree with? that republican neocons didn't call themselves neocons in the 80s? well we know thats not accurate. that reagon didn't support neoliberal free trade and corporatist pro big business policies? we know thats not true. are you arguing that carpenter didn't intend for they live to be anti-reagan/anti-neoliberalism and neo conservatism? we know thats not true since we have his direct quote on the matter.
Jeremiah Campbell
lol go on any liberal website and you'll be instantly banned for being pro-trump
Oliver Young
and what does that have to do with 80s republicans openly calling themselves neoconservatives and carpenter openly stating that they live was anti reagan and republican neo conservatism? it's irrelevent if you think neo conservatism came from da joos, in america it represents an 80s republican movement of low corporate taxes and free trade
Lincoln King
that's fantastic but it does nothing to refute the fact that reagan and his cabinet and supporters called themselves neocons, that their emphasis was on low corporate taxed and unregulated free trade, or that carpenter admits he made they live as an anti reagan anti republican neocon. now try making an argument
Jose Thomas
who cares what the "author" intended
It's a far better fit on jews, a hostile & alien group that can camoflage/live amongst us.
Dominic Collins
not the guy you were talking to, but your obvious bias amuses me to no end, considering the jew owned medias idea of consume as much as humanly possible is forced on us from every possible angle specifically by them to get all of the money they can from you, and you still sit here denying it.
Carpenter called it anti Reagan because he would be blacklisted from Hollywood if he named the jew. It got removed after being the number 1 movie for two weeks.
They had plenty of excuses for why that happened as well.
Dominic Clark
That the neoconservative policies in the Reagan administration were promoted chiefly by AIPAC, Wall Street and other Zionist lobbies
Ryan Morales
>le centrist smug pepe
I know you think it's funny to shit on both sides but the weakest stance is none at all.
Landon Hall
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Xavier Lopez
okay so your argument was that reagan and and republican neocons were secretly controlled by da joos. great can't wait to read your dissertation on that
Aiden Rogers
>centrist I'm far left.
Jace Scott
bet you think starship troopers is a satire
neo-conservatism is literally a jewish ideology
Dylan Turner
okay so you just disregard the author, the politics of the 80s and all of the evidence and just decide that you're right. truly fascinating. it'd be amazing watching you in a debate class
Isaac Rodriguez
That has no relevance to the point. The point is neoconservatism is a Jewish concept. Someone else adopting it doesn't make it less Jewish. If you actually read modern history you'd see the money trail leads to the Jews every fucking time. They fund radical ideas which lead to ruin for everyone but them on purpose
>I refuse to look up facts because I'm a fucking retard but ur wrong You're done
Wyatt Perry
Get him boys.
Juan Lewis
>He doesn't realise (((who))) the film is about
Jayden Price
>the Reagan administration and cabinet You mean Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinburger?
Secretary of State George Shultz?
Other administration members recruited from AIPAC or Commentary such as Elliot Abrams, Eugene Rostow, Max Kampelman, Michael Ledeen, Richard Pipes, and Richard Perle?
Xavier Hill
how come people who blame "da joos" for everything are always such outcasts and losers? it's like talking to a bunch of dylann roofs and michael piggins. you're obviously too deeply entrenched in your conspiracy theories to actually be able to have a conversation
Thomas Wood
Liberals hate jews too
Robert Martinez
>Being a commie Hows that even possible for an American?
Asher Murphy
I've seen a lot of conversation in this thread and a lot of "ur stupid" in reply
"The explicitly Jewish doctrine of neoconservatism has literally nothing to do with Jews" is actually one of the least rational pro-Jewish arguments I've ever seen
Yeah. The neoconservative movement was founded by Jews who were growing concerned by how loathed they were by their fellow travelers on the left.
Grayson Richardson
>how did they get away with this movie?
They didn't. Keith David said it was pulled from the theaters after like a week or two. Almost like they realised what the content of the movie was or something.
Eli Murphy
>explaining what actually happened now means to disregard
topkek you jewbags and your mental gymnastics are fucking hilarious because you are the ones who allowed all of those policies and propaganda to be broadcast all over the tv shows, movies, and news networks that you own. Your only reason for living is to take from others and be a parasite just deal with it.
Angel Peterson
>bet you think starship troopers is a satire You actually made my smile, thank you user.
Jacob Reyes
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Ryder Phillips
They killed him for this
Adam Smith
I'm going to give you an impression of what you're doing here
>Neocon politics have nothing to do with Jews >"Here's the Jews that founded the neocon movement" >OK yeah but Reagan was a neocon and he wasn't a Jew >"Here's the Jews that filled the Reagan administration and promoted neocon policies to him" >oy vey you're such a stupid faggot I don't even wanna talk to you anymore You're literally the big head guy in a straw man cartoon, congratulations
Levi Martin
Don't forget the bunch of pro-guns tweets right before this one and the reference to Obama shutting down the government.
Camden Moore
He's probably just a Sup Forumstard pretending (badly) to be Jewish to discredit them like 95% of "can white bois even compete" posters
Dominic Cook
desu the tweet was posted almost 2 years before he died. I think the whole podcast fiasco between him and stone cold steve austin that caused him to get fired from his wwe legends contract is what killed him more than anything
Samuel Murphy
>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day.
>The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.
>I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.
Dominic Sullivan
>Hows that even possible for an American? Not american, the left parties are the only ones protecting the society from greedy private corporations from taking over, the right wing is being controlled by international investment groups that control the markets.
Joseph Wright
This was made in the 80s m8. Not 2013. Not even post 9-11. Nobody gave near as much of a fuck about guns and shootings because they weren't happening every other day.
Aiden Scott
The only one who appears triggered is you though m8
Nicholas Turner
Yeah, that's why corporations all donated to Hillary over Trump
You are fucking delusional
Ian Baker
The 1980s were much more murderous than the present day and Reagan signed the machine gun ban in 1986
Jacob Gomez
It's the same reason they own hollywood, they are at their very best when pretending to be something they're not while deceiving others and getting paid for it just makes their dicks even harder.
Adam Myers
Lol how did Sup Forumstards get so convinced that They Live is their movie?
Ryder Johnson
Why can't we get along, I just want to live my life.
Christopher White
>Clinton >Democrats
>left
Owen Young
>they live is a right wing movie
Does Sup Forums have autism or something
Jace Cruz
You ever see the superPAC ad that compares Hitler and Trump's speeches? The one they had to pull offline because it only made both Trump and Hitler look like heroes? Same deal with They Live.
Ayden Thompson
And I'm the one who is delusional, good to know.
Joseph Scott
>No true scotsman
Noah Nelson
Director said it's about Reagan-Thatcher era. You're projecting if you think it's about Jews.
Liam Long
>Does Sup Forums have autism or something What do you think, user?
Cameron Kelly
I never understand a fucking word zizek says. I tried so hard to watch his stuff but he uses all these words and i comprehend none of it.
Levi Watson
liberals are all fucking insane
Tyler Garcia
I posted this before but since u cant into reading the thread here it is
>Carpenter called it anti Reagan because he would be blacklisted from Hollywood if he named the jew. It got removed after being the number 1 movie for two weeks.
>They had plenty of excuses for why that happened as well.
Nicholas Adams
They are to the left of Republicans. They aren't left wing, they share almost all their policy positions with Republicans.
Libertarian Party is more left wing than Democrats.
Hudson Jackson
Has it been mentioned that the film was pulled from theaters as soon as it got popular? Keith David talked of it.
Roddy Piper even went so far as to say that it was essentially a real story.