How did they get away with this movie? i don't find the immediate political allegory subversive...

how did they get away with this movie? i don't find the immediate political allegory subversive, it's really nothing new. but the answer being a mass shooting? they live is incredibly violent and xenophobic. am i the only one who wonders if the aliens don't have some right to live too? strangely conservative for a film of hollywood's left... gets the blood boiling, makes you want to overthrow the powers that be. so like i said, how did it ever get made? is there anything the establishment likes less than genuine calls to action?

it's probably the most blatantly anti liberal movie ever. whether you figure it's a marxist parable or some kind of national socialism, it sure has no regard for those not like 'us'

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But the aliens appear to be exactly like us and it takes Hoffman triple brackets for the pattern of rulership and mental slavery to be revealed. The aliens are our corporate masters and we need to seize the means of film production. Also why do you think it had such a such a low budget and stars a Canadian wrestler and Keith David (a.k.a. Black Eric Roberts)?

prettying weird mental gymnastics you have there when the aliens were clearly right wing fascists and the armed rebellion was a metaphor for left wing rebellion against the decadent bourgeois top 1% that was oppresing the lower classes

i'm not doing any mental gymnastics. john carpenter directed the film in response to living in the regan era. i understand the allegory as mentioned above, "The aliens are our corporate masters and we need to seize the means of film production", but i am also acknowledging the prevalent anti-semitic reading of the film as 'exposing the jews' (it doesnt take much googling the terms "they live" to stumble onto it)

either way, i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder. the call to seize the means of production by violence is not liberal hollywood's message. the idea that one can spot an enemy by appearance, and that one can trust their assessment alone is not liberal hollywood's postmodern appeal to relativity. (nor mine for that matter... i could not with good conscience put a bullet in every capitalist for the crime of capitalism alone) it's so clear cut and straightforward it surprises me. it is both startling and refreshing.

if there were a hundred men like Nada we'd be seeing the gang from assault on precinct 13. carpenter's message is clear, and unforgiving.

>either way, i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder

Is this a joke?

apparently it was pulled from the theaters despite being number one at box office

why would the rich want to fund and distribute a movie that calls for their own murder?

you must be a europoor
he in 'murica mass shootings are the answer to everything

>in response to living in the regan era.
Imagine what even 4 years of Trump presidency will give us...

Nice dubs. You missed my point about it deliberately being set up the industry being set up to fade into obscurity (no big names, no crazy VFX [it came out after Predator, T1, the Andromeda Strain, 2001, etc despite looking like it could have been made in the early 50s], no budget) and only the truth of the message has kept the tapes circulating.

>idea that one can spot an enemy by appearance
You didn't even watch it

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>no big names
Carpenter's movies don't have megastars. What's the biggest name, Kurt Russel? I like him, but he's not A list celebrity. Ice Cube is a big name, but not for acting.
Piper was pretty big in the wrestling world, but he got the part because he gave off a blue collar everyman vibe.

Endless liberal butthurt?

>get away with
movie was doing well and then had its theatre run killed. John Carpenter's career is dead. No other movies like it were made. It's only talked about now because it became a minor meme over two decades after it came out. I'd say Carpenter didn't get away with it at all. Keith David has even suggested in interviews that it was deliberately shut down by the powers that be.

tl;dr very possibly actually happened. Watch Zizek for more They Live goodness.

its hilarious how mouthbreathers on Sup Forums believe the movie is about TEH JOOS!111 but the aliens are really the right wing conservative racists who could turn out to be your neighbour

>i find it fascinating that a film can be made in hollywood which so directly calls for murder.
see every action flick from the 80ies

>liberal
lol no, its explicitly marxist

>anti corporatism
>anti liberal
lmao what the fuck are you talking about?

The third act in this movie sucks.

really good imagination until it descends into shooty shooty territory.

Explain

>but i am also acknowledging the prevalent anti-semitic reading of the film as 'exposing the jews' (it doesnt take much googling the terms "they live" to stumble onto it)
literally what in the fuck are you talking about? the aliens just represent corporate leaders and politicians ie white males and how they want people to buy a bunch of dumb shit they don't need and fall for empty political rhetoric. it's extremely anti conservative and do think it her wise just betrays your gross ignorance of elementary school knowledge

honestly conservatives get more triggered when you insult trump than liberals do about him on this website

explain what you mouth breathing moron? it's anti corporatism during the 80s republican neo-con reign of corporate tax breaks and an emphasis on big business at the expense of the middle class, which is exactly when the income disparity began skyrocketing in america. it's so explicitly and overtly liberal that you would have to be an actual retard to not understand that

>white males
Might want to look up the ethnicity of those 'white males' you think you are seeing

The media is run by a majority of Jewish people. This is fact and is public knowledge that can be looked up

>he thinks liberal means anti-capitalism
Fucking kill yourself

Dylann I thought prison has an early curfew?

your projections are irrelevent. the movie is targeted explicitly at reagan and right wing politicians and their focus on big business. there is literally nothing in the movie to suggest otherwise
the movie isn't anti capitalism. it's anti neo conservative politics of the 80s. now try to rub your 2 brain cells together and come up with an argument that this movie is actually some kind of goofy anti jew propaganda

> now try to rub your 2 brain cells together and come up with an argument that this movie is actually some kind of goofy anti jew propaganda
But it isn't? I'm not sure what planet you live on.

>noticing that a little of jew are in media is projecting
Wow

>it's anti neoconservative

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism

>The movement had its intellectual roots in the Jewish monthly review magazine Commentary, published by the American Jewish Committee.

Pretty sure people like this are actually paid JIDF style forum warriors. I see this kind of constant militant pro-Jew posting on Facebook and Twitter. Just check a trending story and check out all the sock puppets descending on anyone daring to call out the facts

He meant neoliberal, not neoconservative.

the movie is critical of a media that was supportive instead of critical of reaganomics and neo conservatism whIle incomes for the middle class was falling and social programs were being gutted. your jew posting is just your dumb conspiracy confirmation bias seeping into everything you see because you're an imbecile
>John Carpenter: ‘They Live’ was about ‘giving the finger to Reagan’
google.com/amp/herocomplex.latimes.com/movies/john-carpenter-they-live-was-about-giving-the-finger-to-reagan/amp/
straight from the horses mouth

Basically this.

Neoliberalism was basically founded by Jews, even Wikipedia admits this a few lines into the origins part, though they try and shift the focus onto the first person to note the term even though he didn't really start anything. The Jews did, as usual

Neoconservatism is Jewish, educate yourself

reagan and his cabinet and supporters coined the term neoconservative and applied it to themselves openly, it's not a fucking conspiracy. also neoconservativism believes neoliberal free trade policies, hence their emphasis on neoliberalism and free trade. please look up the definitions of the words and then finish 6th grade

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What is the difference? One is economics, and the other is the corresponding political view.

Neoliberalism is an economic policy
Neoconservatism is said policy combined with political views.
Neoliberalism has little to do with Jews, its basically just libetarianism in practice.

Words, words, words, you sound like one of those stupid SJWs, you didn't even get what the movies was about, you don't seem to realize that you're part of the problem too.

I don't care about you jew obsession you dumb faggot. neoconservativism is simply an 80s republican movement to cut corporate taxes and lower trade barriers (reaganomics) and shrink the government. the fact that you're completely ignorant of reagons policies or the term they used to refer to their beliefs is irrelevent. neoliberalism is simply laissez Faire free trade and open market borders, which was enthusiastically promoted by reagans administration. again, your ignorance of basic history is not my problem. also, carpenter openly admits the movie was anti-reagan corporatism. this entire thread is pointless

Jesus, you really are JIDF
>all these rich powerful Jews aren't rich and powerful because they're Jews, they're rich and powerful because they're white
lmao

You're missing the fact that the most brutal scene in the movie (arguably) is between the two friends. Violence is representative of awakening and resistance in the film, it's not supposed to be taken literally.

knowing that they live is an anti neocon/ anti reagan movie is not "militant" pro jew posting, it's just not being an imbecile

it's still hilarious that the jews think opinions of them can be controlled on the internet of all places, but that wont stop them from trying.

Let me try.
Trump=poop

The neocon movement is literally Jewish from inception

It was founded by Jewish Trotskyists who uad grown weary of anti-Semitism from black power and anti-capitalist groups on the Left

You're the one with no historical context

Nice high school understanding of neoconservatism there kiddo. Come back when you actually understand how all these movements link up and the shared players. I mean I'm a fucking graphics design major and I know that neoconservatism is more than just that purely from its relationship to similar movements and its context historically. The best redpill ever was to read Edward Bernays books, then noticing how every manipulation in history works the same way. Understanding manipulation and subterfuge makes politics a lot clearer in modern times and historically.

yeah i know "da joos". now that you have that out of your syste try to have a discussion that doesn't devolve into your sick obsession and actually refutes the points. which part do you disagree with? that republican neocons didn't call themselves neocons in the 80s? well we know thats not accurate. that reagon didn't support neoliberal free trade and corporatist pro big business policies? we know thats not true. are you arguing that carpenter didn't intend for they live to be anti-reagan/anti-neoliberalism and neo conservatism? we know thats not true since we have his direct quote on the matter.

lol
go on any liberal website and you'll be instantly banned for being pro-trump

and what does that have to do with 80s republicans openly calling themselves neoconservatives and carpenter openly stating that they live was anti reagan and republican neo conservatism? it's irrelevent if you think neo conservatism came from da joos, in america it represents an 80s republican movement of low corporate taxes and free trade

that's fantastic but it does nothing to refute the fact that reagan and his cabinet and supporters called themselves neocons, that their emphasis was on low corporate taxed and unregulated free trade, or that carpenter admits he made they live as an anti reagan anti republican neocon. now try making an argument

who cares what the "author" intended

It's a far better fit on jews, a hostile & alien group that can camoflage/live amongst us.

not the guy you were talking to, but your obvious bias amuses me to no end, considering the jew owned medias idea of consume as much as humanly possible is forced on us from every possible angle specifically by them to get all of the money they can from you, and you still sit here denying it.

Carpenter called it anti Reagan because he would be blacklisted from Hollywood if he named the jew. It got removed after being the number 1 movie for two weeks.

They had plenty of excuses for why that happened as well.

That the neoconservative policies in the Reagan administration were promoted chiefly by AIPAC, Wall Street and other Zionist lobbies

>le centrist smug pepe

I know you think it's funny to shit on both sides but the weakest stance is none at all.

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okay so your argument was that reagan and and republican neocons were secretly controlled by da joos. great can't wait to read your dissertation on that

>centrist
I'm far left.

bet you think starship troopers is a satire

neo-conservatism is literally a jewish ideology

okay so you just disregard the author, the politics of the 80s and all of the evidence and just decide that you're right. truly fascinating. it'd be amazing watching you in a debate class

That has no relevance to the point. The point is neoconservatism is a Jewish concept. Someone else adopting it doesn't make it less Jewish. If you actually read modern history you'd see the money trail leads to the Jews every fucking time. They fund radical ideas which lead to ruin for everyone but them on purpose

>I refuse to look up facts because I'm a fucking retard but ur wrong
You're done

Get him boys.

>He doesn't realise (((who))) the film is about

>the Reagan administration and cabinet
You mean Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinburger?

Secretary of State George Shultz?

Other administration members recruited from AIPAC or Commentary such as Elliot Abrams, Eugene Rostow, Max Kampelman, Michael Ledeen, Richard Pipes, and Richard Perle?

how come people who blame "da joos" for everything are always such outcasts and losers? it's like talking to a bunch of dylann roofs and michael piggins. you're obviously too deeply entrenched in your conspiracy theories to actually be able to have a conversation

Liberals hate jews too

>Being a commie
Hows that even possible for an American?

I've seen a lot of conversation in this thread and a lot of "ur stupid" in reply

"The explicitly Jewish doctrine of neoconservatism has literally nothing to do with Jews" is actually one of the least rational pro-Jewish arguments I've ever seen

Yeah. The neoconservative movement was founded by Jews who were growing concerned by how loathed they were by their fellow travelers on the left.

>how did they get away with this movie?

They didn't. Keith David said it was pulled from the theaters after like a week or two. Almost like they realised what the content of the movie was or something.

>explaining what actually happened now means to disregard

topkek you jewbags and your mental gymnastics are fucking hilarious because you are the ones who allowed all of those policies and propaganda to be broadcast all over the tv shows, movies, and news networks that you own. Your only reason for living is to take from others and be a parasite just deal with it.

>bet you think starship troopers is a satire
You actually made my smile, thank you user.

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They killed him for this

I'm going to give you an impression of what you're doing here

>Neocon politics have nothing to do with Jews
>"Here's the Jews that founded the neocon movement"
>OK yeah but Reagan was a neocon and he wasn't a Jew
>"Here's the Jews that filled the Reagan administration and promoted neocon policies to him"
>oy vey you're such a stupid faggot I don't even wanna talk to you anymore
You're literally the big head guy in a straw man cartoon, congratulations

Don't forget the bunch of pro-guns tweets right before this one and the reference to Obama shutting down the government.

He's probably just a Sup Forumstard pretending (badly) to be Jewish to discredit them like 95% of "can white bois even compete" posters

desu the tweet was posted almost 2 years before he died. I think the whole podcast fiasco between him and stone cold steve austin that caused him to get fired from his wwe legends contract is what killed him more than anything

>The more I argued with them, the better I came to know their dialectic. First they counted on the stupidity of their adversary, and then, when there was no other way out, they themselves simply played stupid. If all this didn't help, they pretended not to understand, or, if challenged, they changed the subject in a hurry, quoted platitudes which, if you accepted them, they immediately related to entirely different matters, and then, if again attacked, gave ground and pretended not to know exactly what you were talking about. Whenever you tried to attack one of these apostles, your hand closed on a jelly-like slime which divided up and poured through your fingers, but in the next moment collected again. But if you really struck one of these fellows so telling a blow that, observed by the audience, he couldn't help but agree, and if you believed that this had taken you at least one step forward, your amazement was great the next day.

>The Jew had not the slightest recollection of the day before, he rattled off his same old nonsense as though nothing at all had happened, and, if indignantly challenged, affected amazement; he couldn't remember a thing, except that he had proved the correctness of his assertions the previous day. Sometimes I stood there thunderstruck.

>I didn't know what to be more amazed at: the agility of their tongues or their virtuosity at lying.

>Hows that even possible for an American?
Not american, the left parties are the only ones protecting the society from greedy private corporations from taking over, the right wing is being controlled by international investment groups that control the markets.

This was made in the 80s m8. Not 2013. Not even post 9-11. Nobody gave near as much of a fuck about guns and shootings because they weren't happening every other day.

The only one who appears triggered is you though m8

Yeah, that's why corporations all donated to Hillary over Trump

You are fucking delusional

The 1980s were much more murderous than the present day and Reagan signed the machine gun ban in 1986

It's the same reason they own hollywood, they are at their very best when pretending to be something they're not while deceiving others and getting paid for it just makes their dicks even harder.

Lol how did Sup Forumstards get so convinced that They Live is their movie?

Why can't we get along, I just want to live my life.

>Clinton
>Democrats

>left

>they live is a right wing movie

Does Sup Forums have autism or something

You ever see the superPAC ad that compares Hitler and Trump's speeches? The one they had to pull offline because it only made both Trump and Hitler look like heroes? Same deal with They Live.

And I'm the one who is delusional, good to know.

>No true scotsman

Director said it's about Reagan-Thatcher era. You're projecting if you think it's about Jews.

>Does Sup Forums have autism or something
What do you think, user?

I never understand a fucking word zizek says. I tried so hard to watch his stuff but he uses all these words and i comprehend none of it.

liberals are all fucking insane

I posted this before but since u cant into reading the thread here it is


>Carpenter called it anti Reagan because he would be blacklisted from Hollywood if he named the jew. It got removed after being the number 1 movie for two weeks.

>They had plenty of excuses for why that happened as well.

They are to the left of Republicans. They aren't left wing, they share almost all their policy positions with Republicans.

Libertarian Party is more left wing than Democrats.

Has it been mentioned that the film was pulled from theaters as soon as it got popular? Keith David talked of it.

Roddy Piper even went so far as to say that it was essentially a real story.


Hmmmm