What the fuck were rock bands doing between 1977 and 2002?

What the fuck were rock bands doing between 1977 and 2002?

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I thought the 90's was good tho

Is this the thread for sweeping generalizations by people that have listened to very little music?

The '90s were pretty good, but imo a lot of the best rock records of the 90s relied on production rather than actual quality if that makes sense. Like, I can't think of a 90s rock band that was as tight as either Television or Interpol in their prime. Maybe American Football but that was a one off and imo their rhythm section was nothing special.

What are some rock albums you think achieve the heights that these albums reached? There's certainly albums between '77 and '02 that have better production and arguably better songwriting, but the bands themselves lacked the tightness and eloquence that these bands had. Sonic Youth was the Thurston Moore show, Pixies was the Black Francis show, the Smiths was the Johnny Marr show, Nirvava was the Kurt Cobain show, MBV was the Kevin Shields show, Talk Talk was barely even a rock band, Slint was basically a one off... So few rock groups that really, truly release fantastic rock music actually functioned that well as a band unless you delve into metal (which I can see arguments being made for; Metallica may not be to my taste but I can respect them in their heyday).

>Sonic Youth was the Thurston Moore show
But that's completely wrong

>comparing totbl to fucking marquee moon
delete this thread and never come back

They're both overrated

Lee Ronaldo is great guitarist and a good compliment to Thurston Moore but I seriously don't think the rest of the band stacks up.

They're the best guitar albums I can think of, by far. What is a more apt comparison, le joy division cover band meme?

MM is better though.

Delete this post and never come back.

what a fucking retarded post, have you even listened to any of those bands?

every interpol song is literally just powerchords you brainlet

>implying Interpol and Television aren't "one-off's"

Of course I have, I've listened to them into the ground. The fact of the matter is, the single members of the bands that I just mentioned are the ones that most often get singled out. Nobody thinks of Television or Interpol and singles out one person because they're a fucking unit. There's no star of the show because they're all equally talented and compliment each other perfectly.

You find me someone who talks about the Smiths and namedrops the fucking bassist, go ahead.

Because that's the sole identifier of what makes a guitar-centric album good. The fucking chords. Are you joking right now?

Well, this is fair. A case can be made for Slint I guess. I think the songwriting is lacking, but that's just my personal taste for vocal melodies showing.

this is why people who don’t play instruments need to be banned

Nice assumptions, dipshit. Hit back when you feel like actually contributing.

nobody’s going to contribute to your shitpost idiot

interpol killed rock music

making some of the greatest albums of all time
if you dont appreciate what the 90s offer than you probably need to find another more pretentious music discussing website which i doubt exists

Marque Moon is a hell of a lot better than TOTBL

Emergency and i is pretty fucking tight

>muh ok computer is the best album of all time because rym said so
I even like this album but how in the fuck is it anywhere near the best album ever

Album's okay.

I don't disagree, TOTBL is just the first time a rock band had an answer to that work of art.

Good point, forgot about Dismemberment. That, Slint, and American Football are reasonable picks for sure.

how in the fuck is interpol anywhere near marquee moon

what is wrong with you

>the best album ever
i never said so
its not even my favorite radiohead album
i just took it as an example of a great 90s album

I mean, you could start actually contributing if you want, I'm not going to sit here and entertain someone who's just running around typing in all lowercase "what what what are you crazy what"

>TOTBL is just the first time a rock band had an answer to that work of art.
Not really. They just took all the good parts of Television and watered it down into stale indie rock. I like the album but it just isn't on the level of Marque Moon and can barely be considered post punk

>They just took all the good parts of Television and watered it down into stale indie rock.

What does this mean?

>can barely be considered post punk

Why not?

Eh Antics is pretty damn good man. Public Pervert, A Time To Be So Small, Take You On A Cruise have some very nice guitar work

explain how totbl is as good as marquee moon without saying stupid shit about emotions and moods

Explain how it isn't.

>hurr durr contribute to my shitpost you fag
ok what do you like about interpol
>NO U

fantastic post user

I mean, you're literally shitposting harder by sitting here in this thread insulting me and not actually explaining why you think I'm wrong. I'm talking to other people itt who are actually posting not stupid garbage.

>the sole identifier of what makes a guitar-centric album good. The fucking chords.
>the sole identifier of what makes [music] good is the [notes played]
What a shocking statement.

making better music

there is literally nothing special about totbl, every song is boring powerchord riffs, melodramatic chord progressions and shitty lyrics that are either blatant >tfw sad bullshit or joy division worship

it’s literally a bunch of rich kids playing above average indie rock music and has literally zero relation to marquee moon, there’s l i t e r a l l y no similarities

now fuck off with your baseless comparisons

>all notes a guitar plays are chords

Good work.

That was all subjective, but that was a good effort I guess.

Sounds to me like you just like MM and not TOTBL and you can't actually state what makes them different other than calling TOTBL bad.

okay fine retard why is interpol as good as television

Did mommy buy babby a first act kit for Christmas?

Guitar interplay is on the same level of melodic and rhythmic genius (although the chords are less inventive, yes, I never said MM < TOTBL but they are comparable). This is completely subjective I guess, you already think the guitarwork is unimpressive or whatever, but you can't deny that the entire backbone of the record is the call and response between Banks and Kessler, just like Television's Verlaine and Lloyd. Comparing these albums and bands is not outlandish just because the chords aren't as inventive; the guitarwork across both albums is melodic, rhythmic, and very tightly performed.

Rhythm section is extremely tight and adds a lot of energy to the band's arrangements (e.g. Say Hello to the Angels, the bassline in Stella, the drums in Obstacle 1).

Paul Banks is a wonderful vocalist. He's the best parts of Ian Curtis but with actual chops and more versatility. He delivers somber lyrics with a morose, monotone sadness just as well as he delivers crooning falsettos. I rank him above Verlaine just in terms of personal preference because I think his voice is more traditionally appealing and melodic, but they're both equally great in their own way.

Lyrics are a different story, these go to MM hands down. TOTBL's lyrics are mostly good imo, but are not really up to par with the music. MM's lyrics read like poems to me, I love them high and low.

tl;dr I think the things that make MM so good are all present in TOTBL; the question of whether you think they're worthy of being compared isn't solely based on how much you like each album.

To add to this, some footnotes of highlights that I think place TOTBL on the same level as MM in terms of instrumental excellence:

>The drums at 2:40 on Obstacle 1 and the variety of guitar melodies throughout.
>PDA's instrumental breakdown starting at 3:10. Steady, studied buildup. These musicians know what they're doing.
>Just all of Say Hello to the Angels. Every instrument is doing something exciting; the bassline in the chorus, the breakdown at 2:00 bringing out entirely new guitar melodies and the drums being pulled back from an urgent beat to gentle cymbal taps. The entire last minute just being a completely separate beast from the rest of the song, more new melodies introduced from out of nowhere as Banks morosely drops the title. This song is structured so intelligently and has so many layers to peel away.
>The layered vocals playing off of each other in the pre chorus of Obstacle 2. Paul's singing in different ranges at once and it works really well. The bassline on "you can fix me up girl, we'll go a long way" is wonderfully melodic and paring the instrumentation down to just that and the drums and some *very* quiet twinkling guitar chords adds a great dynamic shift to the song. Also that ending.
>The start and stop of Stella is punctuated by the rhythm section SO excellently.

Can't fit much more in this post I don't think. If nothing else, user, thanks for the posts because itemizing this shit is just making me love TOTBL even more.

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>dismisses my entire post as subjective
>admits that nearly every point he makes is also subjective
nice going you fucking retard
the fact that there’s call and response doesn’t make the two albums comparable, post-punk is already a useless term considering how varied it is but somehow totbl manages to be almost completely outside of the genre that it draws all of its influence from

you made one (1) point trying to compare the two and you failed, the rest of this wall of text is completely unrelated

What a faggot.

>nice going you fucking retard

The issue is you said the albums couldn't be compared because of your opinions, and that's retarded.

>the fact that there’s call and response doesn’t make the two albums comparable

"These aren't comparable cuz I say so"

Well thanks champ.

Yeah the post eventually became a fan letter to Paul Banks's vocals, cool that you're so autistic that warrants dismissing the entire post.

Good contender.

>totbl manages to be almost completely outside of the genre that it draws all of its influence from

See, what I'd fucking love from you is explaining this garbage. I get that you have utter disdain for this band based on the "hurr they're rich and white hurr" comment but I would honestly adore hearing what you have to say about how their music should actually be classified and why it's classified that way and not as post punk. Please.

there’s nothing to it, it doesn’t have the stripped down atmospheric production of joy division, it doesn’t have the frantic dance music vibe of gang of four or au pairs, there’s no experimentation like the pop group or this heat had, there’s not even any punk influenced aspects like there is in wire or public image

totbl sort of has vocals similar to these bands and that’s it, the fact that you think it’s on par with one of the first post-punk albums or even brings anything new to the table shows just how little you know about post-punk

now go back to plebbit

But D-daydream Nation :(

interpol album is 3000000 times better than that blues shit called marquee moon
also, they sound nothing alike.

How are Untitled and NYC not atmospheric and stripped down? Hands Away?

How is a song like PDA not danceable?

Why is experimentation inherent to post punk? What makes you think this band even considers bands like This Heat an influence on their sound?

Sounds like more "I don't like it so it's not comparable" to me.

And how does Say Hello to the Angels not have a punk ethos behind the driving rhythms and punchy guitars? Just because it slows down into something more melodic doesn't strip away its upbeat moments.

Look, if TOTBL isn't post punk, then you sit here and tell me wtf it is without saying the words "indie rock". Also I never said these guys brought anything new to the table, pal.

Btw nice job namedropping every surface level post punk artist and acting like I don't know anything about post punk. You wear unwarranted self importance well bud.

idiot, they don't sound like those bands because they were inspired by the sound and chameleons

it’s indie rock, sorry that upsets you
yeah ok because namedropping shit like manicured noise and live skull is going to prove my point to the dipshit who thinks interpol is comparable to television, fuck off pseud
fair enough

silly comparison to television aside, totbl is superior to 80% of 70s-80s post-punk.

Indie rock isn't an actual genre, try again.

And your point wouldn't have been any different but it's the actual fact that you're assuming someone on a music board isn't completely aware of all of those bands that makes you a jackass.

sorry I hurt your feelings brainlet but this is Sup Forums and it’s completely warranted to assume that everybody around you is retarded or underaged

I guess this is your first day

As someone who adores both MM and TOTBL, and who personally ranks TOTBL as one of my all time favourites, I completely agree with this guy.

It's pretty obvious OP is still making their way through the Sup Forums essentials chart.

It’s more of a genre than post-punk is, embryo

>i only know about entry level postpunk
Ya maybe you should give up on music

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>Minutemen
>Pop Group
>Modest Mouse
>Dismemberment Plan
>Fugazi
>Soul Coughing
>Morphine
>Polvo
>Stereolab
>Mr Bungle

Just to name a few, barely obscure ones

Treepeople and Built to Spill are pretty good if you like "punk virtuosity" or whatever.

Off the mark there bud, good effort tho.

Is it a tradition on this board now to assume someone doesn't know what they're talking about if they post vaguely disagreeable opinion?

>Lee Ronaldo is great guitarist and a good compliment to Thurston Moore but I seriously don't think the rest of the band stacks up.
But Kim Gordon was the best member??

Her contribution is underappreciated but I wouldn't go that far

Lee was the best member

newfags out

What were rock bands doing after this album

Your opinion is disagreeable for the very reason that it is uninformed

t. winterbreakfag

Albums like Ok Computer or Superunknown are among my favorite, and both stand up more or less with good song writing and good production, probably more so than those two albums.

Interpol only had one good album (their debut. Every other album by them is too unfocused and inconsistent. They're rich kids that good in a good album and couldn't deliver beyond.
Also this

Something similar happens to me boy, I can't hardly listen to any rock music that isn't from the 60's or the 70's, it's 80's version suck, I can't stand the cynism going on in most relevant albums from the 90's and the 2000's are fucking lame. Still, I've seen a nice resurgence in decent albums this decade, I hope it keeps going.

>it's a pleb drops paragraph after paragraph of knowledge onto people who are 10x more knowledgeable thread

wtf I know that guy

london? (unironically)

dublin...