"Balance the equation." Do transporters KILL?

So, if anyone else has ever seen the Outer Limits episode "Think Like a Dinosaur," I was wondering if the Star Trek Transporters actually kill the being being transported, with the pattern forming in a new location having all those memories and physical characteristics, but the original being destroyed to "balance the equation." That equation being that a person cannot be allowed to exist in two places at the same time?

Also, why didn't the "evil" races with transporter-tech ever use it to duplicate (and back up) their most useful entities and storm the quadrant? Between Thom Riker, Scotty, and Moriarty, it was pretty well proven that you could do that.

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It doesn't really matter. Star Trek doesn't make any sense when you think about it long enough.

With the invention of replicators and holodecks and the devaluing of money, there's no real reason for anyone to do anything but wank themselves to an early death

>there's no real reason for anyone to do anything but wank themselves to an early death
>what is natural selection
Those with genetic predisposition for such thing died first.

yeah you get killed while a perfect clone of yourself gets materialized at the other end.

As for Star Trek no clue. Transporters don't really make sense to begin with. They take way too much energy to be applicable even in the distant future.

>That equation being that a person cannot be allowed to exist in two places at the same time
Thomas Riker and time travel suggest this isn't true in Star Trek

Your body is literally torn apart and re-assembled on the other side.

You fucking die, and an exact copy of you is put together.

It why theres actually some characters that refuse to use transporters. Some of them were eventually forced to use them at some point in an emergency though, and it really fucked with their head, sitting around wondering if they are just a clone or the real thing.

>wondering if they are just a clone or the real thing.
There is literally no difference, there is no soul, we are just biological machines.

They only used transporters because they couldn't afford the shuttle effects. That's it. The only reason.

there are several episodes in which a continuation of consciousness during the transport sequence is shown.

Death is described as a cessation of all bodily activities. Therefore to be transported is not to die.

It's merely transformation of matter to energy back to matter again.

They kill you just as much as living from moment to moment does

In other words yes but only because you die every time you sleep, breathe, think a thought, smile, anything. Your self is an illusion, you never existed in the first place

> this edgelord

tell that to your mother on her deathbed and see what you believe

is that why they always have issues reassembling "the package" like in the first star trek movie

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True but the original you is still gone and you're just a copy.

every time you fall asleep "you" die, your consciousness as it is disappears forever and a new one is born when you wake up

Better question; Would YOU use a teleportation device which created a perfect replica of you in another location while simultaneously vaporizing the original to ensure a perfect continuation of conciseness?

>humans are stupid and can be tricked which means souls are real

You only cry when your mother dies because your fragile ego is having something taken away from it. Same reason breakups feel bad, you wanted possession of your partner, and now you've lost it and are crying like a two year old that dropped his ice cream

You are literally a robot and nothing you do will ever matter, you might as well have never existed

Except not just when you sleep but every moment of your existence

Does anybody have a complete list of transporter malfunction episodes throughout the franchise?

Pic actually related.

This. Do you remember exactly what you did 63 days ago? No? Well then that you died. 63 days ago that day was important to you as all days are. Today you don't fucking remember it. Does that old you even exist anymore? All you have is vague memory to define who you are and even that is limited. When you go to sleep tonight you are killing the you from today.

>not believing in spooky supernatural shit is edgy
get a load of this faggot

Fuck no.

Star Trek: The Motion Picture there is a transporter malfunction and people die.

when you're awake there is a continuity of consciousness, one though leads to another, the river of your mind flows.
Then it vanishes.
Then appears again, but at least a bit different.

What is your secure tripcode password? I would like to post as you.

I think it is disgusting and perverse the way they deal with this in the star trek universe, when they "energize" the original person dies and a new being that looks like the original person is created, but he is not the original person he is another individual that looks like the original and has the original's memories, that is immoral.

For all we all know, we all have dementia and are hallucinating this. Someone in this thread might be a 79 year old person hallucinating this all. Fuck the brain.

Actually, every time you fall asleep (You) die

so what exactly disappears that makes the second person different from the first?

if you believe that shit then don't cry when your life is pure materialistic self-involved shit.

you can chose to live as a Human if you want. It means no longer being an animal.

you might want to start by parroting Jews just a little less

>you never existed in the first place
Woah

You think that's air you're breathing?

That disturbed the SHIT out of me as a little kid, actually still does.

Don't you get it, you're not you.

Thank you Jesus

>implying you experience brain death during sleep.
fuck off with this shit for the 100th time.

There are people who want to achieve great things and become famous so they'll be remembered in history books.

I know you'll never understand that because it's completely out of your reach.

Not sure but sure smells like shit

Might be the poop jars though

>mfw I see a new star trek thread
>mfw it's this same stupid argument again

The transporters are scary.

Say you're in a house, looking out a window at a tree. In the house next to yours is an identical copy of yourself. He's also looking out a window at the exact same tree. Would you see the tree from 2 different angles or would two separate people see the tree from two separate houses? If you believe the latter like I do, if someone closed your window, your duplicate would still see the tree while you couldn't. From that instant onward, he would cease being a copy and there would be two different versions of yourself, one that is looking at the tree and one that isn't. One of you would see, say, a squirrel run up the tree or the tree be cut down, while the other would only see the blinds on a window.

Every single experience your duplicate has that you don't would fundamentally change them as a person. In a year you would be two different people altogether, abet with the same DNA and such. The William/Thomas Riker incident exists in the ST universe itself.

to transform the matter you need to destroy it first or you won't be able to make a complete copy. You die as you are transformed into "energy".

transporter doesnt kill you, Trek confirmed this

>implying you would spend time reading about what people accomplished when you could just jerk off in your holodeck

that doesn't make sense, you're alive through the whole process. Broccoli even managed to pull someone from the matter stream

War, greed, and laziness are the driving forces of ingenuity.

This poster understands what the Federation really needs.

Why? I'm an insufferable faggot who nobody likes. Why haven't you blocked me yet?

>R I P Tuvix

>poop
>jars
I just use one bucket.

>died first.

They didn't die first, they just didn't have kids.

what episode? that sounds like some voyager shit I haven't seen.

Are you still alive while you are in the transporter buffer? What makes you sure that you get re materialized and not your clone?

One thing I always liked about Kirk was he had strong engineering knowledge. Less than Scotty but enough to help Scotty cold start a warp core or try to save those people.

You can't really keep people in transporter limbo for too long, unless you're an Engineering genius like Scotty.

*whom

Checkted and respected, though

That's not a real picture right?

This.

Wait, isn't that just having an identical twin?

100% real.

TNG. Barcley was afraid to use the transporter, kept seeing hallucinations when he was being transported, turns out they were othe crewmen from another ship or some shit and were stuck. He grabbed one and brought it back.

its your mom before/after she met your dad.

If you have infinite resources and access to infinite pleasures, eventually you will seek new challenges to give meaning to your life. Most people would not indulge themselves forever. In the modern age people can make a profit out of manipulating your temptations and whole industries are devoted to finding ways to appeal to your lesser instincts. So when you look at the world today, it may seem as if people would be unable to resist temptation. But in the future children would be trained to exercise the necessary self-discipline and there would be no greedy merchants manipulating them, except the Ferengi.

Fundamentally yes, except the twin is created instantly with every single memory and experience shared up to the point of creation. The second something happens to one of you and not the other is where the personality of the duplicate will begin to change from the original.

its real but shes a lesbian, not a married woman hitting the wall.

What's the difference?

Ever notice the Federation got some of its balls back post TNG?
The Defiant, Sovereign, and Akira classes were all 'peaceful' amirite?

>Jennifer Lien looking like that
>meanwhile the DS9 crew be all like

Could the machine create a twin that was a female instead of a male?

resistance is futile

Not an adult. Too much biology between a man and a woman is different by that point. Maybe a prepubescent child could gender swap.

Could the machine create a female with some... extra anatomy?

theres like 9 billion wanking themselves back on earth

starfleet are the special few

cuck roddenberry died

Medicine will create millions of hermaphrodites in the future regardless

The next two spinoffs had a nigger and a hole as captain. If that's what you call un-cucked then you do not belong here.

...

And the nigger started a war that caused billions of casualties and the hole got her crew stranded at the wrong end of the galaxy. They were terrible Captains if you pay attention, very redpilled shows.

>>>/tumblr/

The Galaxy Class was really a monument to arrogance, wasn't it? An exploration ship with 1000 people on board, many of them families and non-combatants. The Federation was so convinced it could peaceful negotiate it's way out of anything.

Then along came the Borg and the Founders/JemHadar

Existing teleporters essentially scan every cell, transmit that data, destroy the original then recreate a pefect copy on the other side from the data.

You couldnt turn a human into energy to transmit somewhere and reform like in Star Trek. Thats science so far beyond our current comprehension it may as well be magic.

If they can make Quark a girl can they make him a futa? Can Odo just turn into a futa with a horse dick? If Odo can does Kira like it?

I didn't read the thread but every time a discussion like this pops up it's filled with people who actually genuinely believe that you are your consciousness or that the self actually exists

looks like they at least had some fun making the Voyager.
I've read some shit about how all the actors hated themselves and so on, but t.b.h. how it's supposed to show in the series is beyond me. Especially in later series.

it comes off a lot scarier when you're watching the movie because it's preceded by such a long spell of optimism, peace and quiet

This. Bashirfaggot won't even reveal his password. It's ridiculous

>get cloned/split in half
>the other version of you becomes more successful than you
imagine how much that would suck

>tip'd

>implying fedoras exist

what are you if you aren't your self-consciousness? Explain.

>>meanwhile the DS9 crew be all like

>his

We've been over this. I'm a girl who likes consensual homosex between a lizard man and an Arab guy who people assume is a transsexual pretending to be a girl who likes consensual homosex between a lizard man and an Arab guy on the internet.

I'm really not sure how much clearer I can make this.

>ferengi dicks are actually really small, but the females lust after their large testicle lobes

isnt it obvious?
we are the borg.

>Implying the brain houses an immortal "soul"

How "Caretaker" would have went if a man was in control

>Bridge to Engineering, gather an away team and plant explosives on every deck of the caretaker array
>Then work out how to activate the array and set the timers to go off 30 seconds after we leave

Like I said, the self is an illusion, or rather a concept for better dealing with the world. But each person has more than conscious experience, there is subconscious experience, and all the physiological drives lying under the hood. Consciousness is extremely fleeting, if the brain was a computer it would just be the part being displayed on your screen, not the files on your hard drive or the OS files or the sub-OS programming or the physical makeup of the computer itself which always exist, are always running and are even more powerful and important than the consciousness itself.

twins are genetically identical but we all agree that they are two different people

therefore a "soul" exists

>Consciousness is extremely fleeting

we don't even know what consciousness is genius

You die during transportation but you're alive again on the other side, don't worry about it

If souls existed do different species also have them? Do dogs?

>Also, why didn't the "evil" races with transporter-tech ever use it to duplicate (and back up) their most useful entities and storm the quadrant? Between Thom Riker, Scotty, and Moriarty, it was pretty well proven that you could do that.
This is nothing more than a sort of plot hole. By the end of DS9 the writers had made AI and holotech too powerful for any conflict as we know it to make sense, so they had to retreat from it in ENT.
To some extent that might by why the new show is also in the 'past' rather than post-VOY. Who needs crews at all when you can make a self-aware true intelligence just by asking the computer on a whim?

no
aliens are all godless monsters..

What if the transporter malfunctioned in a way that didn't disintegrate the original person, while creating a copy of them at the destination?

How does the law enforcement of the federation deal with a criminal gang that creates copies of themselves for the sole purpose of being jailed? After all, since they are the same person, wouldn't this be an effective get out of jail card?

Whenever the villain wants to get some brain slug implanted into someone, why don't they sabotage the transporters and hijack the clones who have the same information as the originals, who would probably be unaware that a clone of them was spawned at the intended destination because they never left?