Can somebody legitimately explain the appeal of grimes to me...

can somebody legitimately explain the appeal of grimes to me? i tried listening to art angels and thought it was just extremely average pop music. it isn't bad or anything, it's just fine. why do people hype it up so much

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I've heard Art Angels likened to Avril Lavigne.

The perfect storm of poptimism and waifuism

dubs and grimes dies tomorrow

the appeal is she looks underage. that's it. just beta cucks being waifufaggots.

She's quirky and some people think she's attractive. It's the Bjork effect with worse music.

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She's pop but sounds slightly different to pop pop. That's pretty much it. And I want to fuck her

shes really fucking hot

she'll be fine

A lot of faggots want to bang her. She plays up the 'quirky' trope which makes a lot of them fantasize that she's the kind of girl that they might have a chance with, in reality even if they shot for the bottom of the barrel they would still miss.

It's certainly not her music because her music is fucking awful.

I think she's pretty adept at what she does and it's impressive how much she does independently, but what she does is just okay pop.

I don't understand why people salivate over musicians who you will never have an opportunity and will most likely never be within 300 feet of. Why would they feel love towards you?

Genesis was a pretty good song. I keep hoping she does something else as good.

>just extremely average pop music
Genuinely curious: what other (pop) album(s) sounds like Art Angels?

Oblivion, Kill V. Maim, Be a Body and Oblivion are at least on the same level as Genesis. Pay more attention to her music.
Bullshit. Many female artists are quirky but nobody gives a fuck about them. You're too dumb to imply that only her looks mattered, like people are listening with their eyes, not ears. You don't like her music, so you think that it's awful. But it's just your opinion.

Wrong. Music, looks and personality are not mutually exclusive. You could have all of them and Grimes is a proof.
>worse music.
To you.

Just slightly different? Lol! Show me a pop song like this youtube.com/watch?v=FTvanzhR6ok

the knife did this stuff better...

Post the actual song similar to Eight. I don't care who did it better - that's subjective anyway. Also music is not a competition. Just show me a similar song to it.

There is no particular appeal. It's just something the newbies learn to post when they first come here, thanks to a few trolls. She's alright, but not worth a thread over.

>Bullshit. Many female artists are quirky but nobody gives a fuck about them.

Yes, I am not claiming other artists don't do this my problem is that Grimes RELIES on this.
>You're too dumb to imply that only her looks mattered, like people are listening with their eyes, not ears.

I pretty clearly did imply that it was an image and sexuality thing and not a good music thing. Maybe you should work on your reading comprehension.

>You don't like her music, so you think that it's awful. But it's just your opinion.

Yes that is how opinions work.

>Yes that is how opinions work.
The why would your opinion matter? Why do you post it? What is the purpose?
>I pretty clearly did imply that it was an image and sexuality thing and not a good music thing.
Good or bad music are subjective things. Any questions?
>Yes, I am not claiming other artists don't do this my problem is that Grimes RELIES on this.
LOL. Besides music, most artists rely on image. Pick any artist: Kate Bush, Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Daft Punk, The Who, The Beatles etc. But to claim this bullshit
>It's certainly not her music because her music is fucking awful.
is simply stupid and foolish. You imply that your stupid opinion is a fact (objective) and that's retarded.

*Then

Crazy

take the man machine by kraftwerk, add some delay to the drums, then add non sensical autistic screeching and pitched vocals and then you have bad song like eight by grimes.

none of the artists you mentioned rely on image

grimes NEEDS her cosplay photos for the retards on this board

Grimes is the only modern pop artist that understands human condition.

>none of the artists you mentioned rely on image
ALL of them rely on image. ALL OF THEM. For instance, did you even see how many glam photos Kate Bush and Bjork have? Literally thousands.
Your thinking is very simplistic: having a good image and making good music are not mutually exclusive. You could succeed at both, just like Grimes. Actually this is the best thing to do if you want people to really care about your art and not be a faceless bland artist. Just good music is not enough.
You claim that Grimes is basically just a cosplay player with her music as an afterthought. You seem the miss these parts:
- she did 4 albums, 1 ep and many various songs in just 6 years. She also did tons of unreleased music.
- she toured a lot in all these years
- not only she sang, played instruments and wrote songs, but she also did sound engineering and production, all by herself. She did even the album covers and her music videos, including editing them. What bigger proof do you want that she's serious about her music career? Could your favorite artist do all that?

you win.

grimes loses.

>Grimes is basically just a cosplay player with her music as an afterthought.
Your words not mine, but yes you're correct.

>The why would your opinion matter? Why do you post it? What is the purpose?
Did you not read the OP?
>Good or bad music are subjective things. Any questions?
It's not my fault that you're angry because people are saying things you don't like about your waifu on the internet. No need to be a faggot about it.
>LOL. Besides music, most artists rely on image. Pick any artist: Kate Bush, Lady Gaga, Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, Daft Punk, The Who, The Beatles etc. But to claim this bullshit
All of those artists make objectively terrible music, and exemplify the same problems I have with Grimes. It's not bullshit to make the claim that quality music is more important than image. Just because you subscribe to a shallow and pointless way of choosing what music to enjoy doesn't change the fact that image and quality of music are separate concerns.
>is simply stupid and foolish. You imply that your stupid opinion is a fact (objective) and that's retarded.
"Wah, I don't like your opinion because it doesn't match my own"

Keep crying about it, that's a good way to convince people you're right.

Lame. Cherrypicking text out of context doesn't make you right. Also you didn't refute my argument Are you going to do it or did you accept defeat?

You're a fucking psychopath and I bet if you ever met her she would hate you.

Art angels was trash. Halfaxa was legit 9/10 amateur ambient pop tho. Visions has some great singles

Hopefully her slow album isn't another ironic poptimist album

Doesn't she have like a fans forum where all five of you grimes fans can be autistic losers together in private?

>can somebody legitimately explain the appeal of grimes to me?
They just like her face, that's all. They never comment on her music output unless it's in a shallow, fleeting manner i.e. "yeah everything she makes is totes dope dudeys". If you don't like her face, you cannot buy into the appeal.

The OP asked for
>can somebody legitimately explain the appeal of grimes to me?
You didn't explain the appeal. Your posts are offtopic.
>It's not my fault that you're angry because people are saying things you don't like about your waifu on the internet.
I'm not angry. I just don't like dipshits like you who claim bullshit without having any evidence.
>All of those artists make objectively terrible music
Objectively? Your post is null and void.
>Just because you subscribe to a shallow and pointless way of choosing what music to enjoy doesn't change the fact that image and quality of music are separate concerns.
They are separate concerns that work together. Did you even see a live show? Or an album cover? Image and music go hand in hand. Quality of music is subjective. What you like it's your concern.
>Keep crying about it, that's a good way to convince people you're right.
You're ridiculous and stupid. All your "arguments" are fallacies and plain shitposting. Wake up, sheeple.

>They just like her face, that's all. They never comment on her music output unless it's in a shallow, fleeting manner
LOL

A psychopath shitposting on moo crying "psychopath"? The irony! Just admit it that you're out of arguments and you're mad.

>You didn't explain the appeal. Your posts are offtopic.
You lack reading comprehension. Multiple people have said the exact same thing as me.
>I'm not angry. I just don't like dipshits like you who claim bullshit without having any evidence.
"I'M NOT MAD SHUT UP STOP SAYING THINGS I DON'T LIKE!"
>Objectively? Your post is null and void.
Sorry you don't understand irony champ.
>You're ridiculous and stupid. All your "arguments" are fallacies and plain shitposting. Wake up, sheeple.
>sheeple
3 hues out 10

literally right before this post
comes along praising her in a shallow fleeting manner

haha

>You lack reading comprehension. Multiple people have said the exact same thing as me.
So, if multiple idiots say the same things as you that makes you right? Nice argumentum ad populum.
>Sorry you don't understand irony champ.
>Translated: I just pretended to be retarded

Nice try but you're wrong. A fairly long post explaining why she's a serious musician is not "praising her in a shallow fleeting manner". Those are facts, not idiotic bullshit like what is mostly posted ITT. Try harder.

Your a moron go delude yourself into thinking grimes will fuck you and white knight some where else.

>. A fairly long post explaining why she's a serious musician.

She can barely play an instrument, please show me a video where she can perform music above a grade 2 level of proficiency, I'll wait.

>OMG MAI WAIFU IS TOTES GUD AT THA INSTRMENZ N SHE PRODUCZ ALL HER SONGZ HER SALF! SENPAI SHE IS SOOooOO GuD

This is how you come across..

The fact that she pays fags to spam about her every day on Sup Forums
But it's backfiring, slowly but surely

>I'll use those big fancy classical latin fallacy words that I don't really understand that'll get him
Empirically it makes me right if the consensus amongst multiple people is that she's garbage. Which seems to be the majority in this thread. If you don't like it then go get your friends to come whiteknight to protect your waifus honor or something. (This is ironic because you have no friends)
>Translated: I just pretended to be retarded
I can see how you might not understand irony seeing as you also can barely read.

She's multitalented, staunchly independent and has a very strong vision for her music, which I have a lot of respect for. With that said, those are all extraneous qualities which have nothing to do with the content of the music itself, which, despite all it's quirks and embellishments, is actually pretty bland. Visions was a pretty good album, but she's yet to do something in my eyes which deserves all the excessive praise she's getting. most of it comes from the fact that there aren't a lot of women doing what she does independently, so it bugs me that so many arguments about her music aren't even about her music at all. Pretty patronising imo to set the bar so low that all you need to do to achieve critical success is be a woman who does everything, regardless of how good the finished product is

>multitalented
Barely, I would call it multi-mediocre. She can't sing, can't draw, can't perform live, and can't produce. I hear she can play instruments but I have never seen or heard a video of this that can be proven to be her.
>staunchly independent
She's been on several labels, and has used Jay Z's management company
>Strong vision
If bland pop music that sounds like literally every other artist on any popular music radio station is a strong vision then sure.

>staunchly independent
twitter.com/Grimezsz/status/941898828046725121
nope

genesis is the only track I liked so far. Most of it's uninspired alt pop. But it's the "alt" part that attracts so many Sup Forumstants probablu

"Canadian nerd figures out how to make stellar and wonderfully melodic pop music all on her own after a handful of releases of drafts"

She should be proud of how far she's come!

She's a creator (composer, producer, visual artist and entertainer), not a worker (professional instrumentalist). It's like saying that Beethoven wasn't a serious musician because he didn't play his music or even produced it (ignoring for a moment that music production didn't exist back then).

>The fact that she pays fags to spam about her every day on Sup Forums
Proof or GTFO
>But it's backfiring, slowly but surely
It's backfiring so much that even a deluded idiot like you started posting in her threads. gg

user if you are not getting payed.
then LMFAO @ you

Beethoven did play his own music he was a pretty notable piano player.

I have a confession to make. I get "paid" to post here on behalf of grimes. Instead of money she forces me to smell her stinky pits and lick her unibrow. Should I quit?

I want to caress and kiss Claire's cute little bum

>her music is fucking awful.
The word music in context to Grimes should be in quotation marks.
She is a talentless hipster who relies on basement-dwelling beta soyboys waifuing over her to gain popularity.
Of course none of these Doritio cheese-fingered wankers would even have a chance of sniffing her no-talent butt crack because even as common as she is she wouldn't date one of her lowly virgin manlet fans.

Comparing her to all other solo female artists simply makes it easy to see why all others are talented and she comes off as a desperate attention whore tryhard who falls short musically.

Why all the hate for her? I'm not a fan of her music but she seems like a genuinely cool person

1. She's a creative goddess, self-made, producer, artist, performer, singer.
2. Her creative integrity has been preserved even when she was critically acclaimed
3. It took her like 6 years to put out another album and she learned how to play every instrument, while having her speech impediment treated by a vocal coach.
4. On visions she poured her heart out and bravely admitted that she had been sexually assaulted.

max kex.
If Grimes were to sell tickets to an arena show, what are the odds that she could fill all the seats?
Trick question. She couldn't. EVER.
Now ask the same for: Bjork, Lana Del Ray, Joanna Newsom, P!nk, Beyonce, Kate Bush or PJ Harvey.
Boom!
Done. They do it all the time.

It's not all about her being independent. That's just a small piece of the puzzle. You claim that her music is bland. But ever occured to you that maybe your music taste is incompatible with her style? Actually, do you even like electronic music / synthpop?
>regardless of how good the finished product is
Plenty of people found her finished products to be very good.
See pic related: beside the high score, do you notice how the critics' average score is the same as user's average score? Like it or not, her music is very well regarded. I guess that makes you a contrarian.

She's canadian ew ew

Every generation needs to "rebel" against their parents somehow. But what do you do when your parents rebelled against THEIR parents so hard that they still pride themselves on noncomformity and anti-commercialism? Naturally, the pendulum swings back, and the answer is in acting willfully inauthentic, cliqueish, superficial, materialistic and generally yuppie-esque. It sounds like something out of some mediocre dystopian satire, but there you go: the terrible roots of the "hipster"/twee/tumblr ethos.

So, adding to the flavor-of-the-week garbage heap of Crystal Castles and Lil B, we have Grimes, who repackages what Boards of Canada already did better a decade ago ("hazy" nostalgic recontextualization of muzak) with added "detached" blank facial expressions, memes and ironic metal poses. Basically brain poison. When I'm old I hope generation Z realizes this stuff (not Grimes in particular, who will be completely forgotten in 5 years) is soulless pap and discovers guitars again.

>If Grimes were to sell tickets to an arena show, what are the odds that she could fill all the seats?
>Trick question. She couldn't. EVER.
Not now because unlike Bjork, Lana Del Ray, Joanna Newsom, P!nk, Beyonce, Kate Bush or PJ Harvey SHE IS NOT MAINSTREAM. You seem to confuse quality with popularity.
Using your logic, Bieber, Beyonce, Ariana Grande and Katy Perry could sell way more tickets than Bjork, Lana Del Ray, Joanna Newsom, P!nk, Beyonce, Kate Bush or PJ Harvey, so they're superior. Checkmate.

Aren't you tired yet to post this stale pasta over and over again? Ffs, most of her music sounds nothing like BoC, Lil B and CC.

>She's canadian ew ew
I'm Canadian and I have never ever supported Grimy Clair or her Canadianess.

Shame on you. A case of "a prophet is not without honor save in his own country". You should be proud of your Canadian legends.

>soulless pap
Exactly what Grimy Clair is.
Some shithole waffle waitress with a laptop, samples and reverb. Unoriginal. No true rock ethos. No musical credentials. No talent. Plain and simple: synthpop garbage produced for dickless betas.

>Canadian legends
Too numerous to list all of them:
Scientists, inventors, explorers, academics, historians, politicians, actors and even some musicians.
However...indie snowflake Claire Boucher is common and irrelevant and therefore not credible as legendary.

Awful opinion. If you can't sense the emotion and talent poured into her music, you must be a robot.
>No true rock ethos.
LOL! Rockist detected. Enjoy your dadrock and leave the futuristic music to connoisseurs.

kate boosh never did the image thing anywhere close to the extent of grimes or bjork, especially after she broke away to work on her own. her last few albums came with like one maybe two photoshoots. the bare minimum. bowie is a good comparison! i love watching an artist experiment with their image desu, as long as it's not style over substance

not hate, just not understanding the hype. Someone being a good person does not make them a good artist automatically. She's generic, and is made out to be some kind of second bjork

>However...indie snowflake Claire Boucher is common and irrelevant and therefore not credible as legendary.
"Indie snowflake" C.B. got recognition in a short period of time. "Indie snowflake" C.B. got the respect of many artists, such as Joanna Newsom:
>I loved the latest Bjork album, I'm excited about the idea of Grimes. I haven't wrapped my head around the record. I find her so compelling and so unlike anybody else and so incredibly talented, skilled, and fun. I love her. I met her in LA a few months ago, she told me something along the lines of, "I grew up listening to your music". I will say, it made me feel really old for about five minutes, then it made me feel really happy. I was like well, I guess I'm old now, but that's okay because this awesome and amazing young musician likes my music and said that it was special to her when she was younger, so that's great.
>I started to think of it as waveforms. The violin is not an uglier sound than the flute, it’s just a jagged waveform instead of a smooth waveform. There are certain things that, musically, I prefer over others: I like music that is in tune, I prefer when singers are in tune, I prefer when I’m in tune. In terms of people today, as I said, I’m a little out of the loop, but I have noticed I’m really excited by the way that Grimes frames herself, and seems utterly disinterested in her own beauty, which is really exciting to me. Sometimes it’s useful for an idea, and then other times it’s not useful for an idea, and she seems unaffected either way. I like her music as well, and I like what she says.
>I’m super excited that Grimes is getting so much attention for her amazing production too because she’s super, super talented. And she does everything! She produces completely on her own.

You're terribly wrong if you disparage her like that. Only a fool would say that she's irrelevant and common. Could you even name another artist like her, with her kind of music and her quirks?

Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, Gordon Lightfoot to name but a few. I can name 60 more and Grimes wouldn't even be listed in the top 200. She is as plain and as common as dirty dishwater and about as talented and even less appealing.

omg claaaaaaaaireeeeee!!!

this fag is spamming Grimes and not getting paid for it, lol

>kate boosh never did the image thing anywhere close to the extent of grimes or bjork, especially after she broke away to work on her own.
You're wrong. There aren't that many pics available now because it was the 70s and the 80s and internet didn't exist besides some military and educational networks. Most of her pics exist in a printed form.
Pic related is Kate exposing her beautiful body.
>her last few albums came with like one maybe two photoshoots. the bare minimum.
Obviously. She has a certain age now. Anyway she was kinda like a recluse for years but in her prime she was very photogenic.

I want to kiss Grims

>her kind of music
again...when you say music in relation to her , it should appear as "music".
"Music" like hers is bland, mindless, synthpop pap.Kind of like Muzak for the mindless. Poorly produced, laptop rendered pablum layered with reverb ad infinitum.
>and her quirks
She's quirky alright. Much in the way that cutters and attention whores are quirky.

"LOOK! LOOK at MEEEE! I dress like I raid the charity clothing bins!!!
Looook! Loook at my shitty tattoos. They are autistic and retarded! But I am such a SPECIAL snowflake that everyone of my 17 fans thinks I am indie, hipster and quirky as fuck! Looooook!!!!! I don't shave my armpits! Isn't THAT really QUIRKY? It's like I am shunning all of societies norms and THAT makes me the SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE. HEEE HEEE! Look! My name is Claire but I changed it to GRIMES because it's sooooo quirky!!!! Did I mention I look like I rob bag ladies of their clothes?? LOoook! I am Special!!!!"

Wow

trust me I've been borderline obsessed with her for 15+ years and have amassed a gigantic collection, i even have bindups of every single one of the fan magazines from the 70s on. it's embarrassing. I'd guess a good 80% of her photoshoots all happened in the first 3-4 years of her career! she also said something about how unhappy she was when she saw some leotard photos on the side of the bus when she was really young. when she got full control of her career there were very very little promotional images that weren't tied directly to a specific album/video etc. i don't mean to imply there's anything wrong with a strong image, just that it's a bad comparison and only being used because these are the three everyone associates with each other musically

Kate Bush was really a household name. She could afford to release albums and not tour. There was always a distance between her and her fans. Unlike her, Grimes is lesser known, has an extra modeling career - that's why she has so many glam photos - and is actually interested to have a strong image. She keeps an active online presence and talk directly to her fans. This quote is relevant about why she's so connected with the world and why she has such a focus on her image:

>What particular trauma was ‘Be A Body’ about?
>That’s one of the only happy songs on the album. It’s about physical existence, and sex, and being alive. I’m really opposed to phones, I’m opposed to checking my email. I just think it’s really unflattering that everyone’s always on their computer. ‘Be A Body’ is about physical, sensual existence and about having physical pain and pleasure. It’s about existence. As pretentious as it is, it’s based on a Thomas Aquinas quote where he was trying to talk about how in Medieval Christian thought everyone was super into ‘fuck my life, my physical body is a horrible thing and a representation of sin’, and there’s a passage where Aquinas said “Be a body” and i just thought it was so sick, so bad-ass that he would just say that, just give that straight-up imperative. He was a hip guy.

LOL. All that rambling and so much drivel. Dude, she's an artist. The artists' job is to express themselves. You complain about the core concept of what makes an artist, an artist. An artist is all about individuality ("special snowflake" if you insist) and creativity. But if you dislike her art, that's another story.
>"Music" like hers is bland, mindless, synthpop pap.Kind of like Muzak for the mindless. Poorly produced, laptop rendered pablum layered with reverb ad infinitum.
Just how much you tried? Do you actually hate her whole genre? Name synthpop artists that are the opposite of "bland, mindless, synthpop pap".

good

Phil Elverum does all of this and infinitely better. Not pop tho

I'll save her.

Phil Elverum makes bland / boring music. He can't write a good hook to save his live and his singing is sketchy at best. his music is overrated hipster trash.
>Not pop tho
trash then.

dubs and you both die

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its finally happening, bros

I want to attend a Grimes concert just so I can take a shit in the crowd

youtube.com/watch?v=4Rj16PH6HRA

Fucking finally

YES

listen to visions