Atheism:The beginning of the end

I brought this up over a year ago, and it was met with hesitancy at best, resistance at worst. I was a staunch atheist for much of my youth. I am 33 now. But I noticed around 2008 that all of my friends who were atheists had become xealots. They were obsessed with arguing with Christians and took so much pride in "pointing out contradictions in the Bible" or "asking questions they can't answer." It began to make me really sick.

I won't go defending Christians here, as when I grew up in the 90's, they were the PC police. But I will say, Christians do more for people in need than any other group. And not just donating money.

But anyway, there is a direct slide from atheism into zealous atheism. And once they run out of Christians to attack, they have to have somethin to proselytize about, so it is a natural progression to liberalism and SJW shit. I really believe that 3rd wave feminism, SJW, the regressive left....all that shit stems from the atheism wave.

Human beings need spirituality. Whether or not you have had a spiritual experience, imperically, they do exist, and they are life changing. All cultures throughout human history have valued spirituality and the spiritual experience, often invoking it at a certain age with psychedelics, fasting, etc. It is a vital part of our survival, and it is being wiped out while we all accept the political ideology that is Islam.

The modern world discourages spirituality completely, and I really believe that this is unsustainable. People are more detached and uncompassionate than ever. Apathy is a plague. The powers that be know this. That's why they push for it. It keeps us docile.

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Really dude? I am the one who made the anti-shill/slide general.

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Too bad Islam is the mark of the beast set up by the world leaders. More and more people are converting to it and slaughtering those that oppose.

They are the group that turned their back on God and follow the NWO who will not deem them a threat, but a peaceful bunch and people are blindly agreeing.

The mark on the head is the prayer bump and mark of the right hand is the hand they use for eating. Sharia Law will be enforced to scare people into turning away from God and join the NWO.

Atheists' overzealousness will lead them further away from God and they will ultimately be left to face His wrath.

The third temple is almost built and they are now looking for priests the end times are near. Repent and accept God.

Who cares, atheism is declining. Fedoracucks are dying out childless and are being replaced by Mohammeds and Pedros.

I was thinking over this very issue yesterday, as a matter of fact. First, however, a confession. Not a pleasant one to make, considering how fucking embarrassing it is, but okay. I used to be one of those atheists. Back when I was maybe 18 or so. I'm 33 now, same as you.

One thing I learned early on is that Atheism is a reaction to a stance, not a stance in itself, but when they say that it ONLY refers to someone who doesn't believe in god(s), they're being fallacious or stupid. Plenty of other views follow from not believing in a god, just as they follow from NOT believing in one.

Basically, I learned that humanity has within itself certain aspects that are only satisfied by some kind of religious experience. That can be gained in the traditional way, by reverence to a God, or in ways darker and infinitely more pathetic.

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Human beings need spirituality. Whether or not you have had a spiritual experience, imperically, they do exist, and they are life changing. All cultures throughout human history have valued spirituality and the spiritual experience, often invoking it at a certain age with psychedelics, fasting, etc. It is a vital part of our survival, and it is being wiped out while we all accept the political ideology that is Islam.

You don't need religion to have spiritual experiences. Keep your garbage ancient texts to yourself senpai.

THIS RETARD BELIEVES RELIGION MAKES YOU SYMPATHETIC HAHAHAHAHAHA
LOOK AT THIS FUCKING RETARDED NECKBEARD

Yeah well you guys fucked it up by rejecting the hippies. they were the spiritual reawakening.

>Keep your garbage ancient texts to yourself senpai.

I don't see any flaws in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

Where did you pill that bullshit information from, you white nigger? More and more people are growing up and realizing that religion is a cucking control system. It is literally white guilt. Anybody that follows any religion is a blue-pilled idiot.

The propagation of atheism is just one part of a general destruction and mockery of abstract ideals that can give people strength, morale, pride and meaning. Leftists pour scorn on religion, family, history, culture and tradition, and it's not a coincidence. These are all things that people can rally around and find strength and unity in. A society full of demoralised, alienated individuals kept in the thrall of consumerism, cynicism, narcissism and hedonism is easier to control.

I shy away from the word religious for obvious reasons. Although, the word spirituality has been hijacked by the New Agers, but they seem to be disappearing and have been replaced by vegans.

I believe that there are intangible aspects to life, things that are not physical. Science refuses to acknowledge this, because physics has become the new God. But there are always going to be questions science can not answer, and I think humans have an intuition for things and a capacity for love and compassion that not only gives birth to spirituality, but also makes it vital to our experience and existence.

Excellent post, Comrade! See you at the Fifth International next week, Da?

Where did I say religion? Can you people even read, or are you so excited to whip out your atheism stick and hit somebody over the head with it that you are willing to make grand assumptions?

OP, you've obviously never been exposed to theology before. This is a good place to start:

edwardfeser.blogspot.ca/

>I shy away from the word religious for obvious reasons

I'm afraid those reasons aren't obvious to me. Can you explain them?

A need for spiritual succour is as integral to a healthy human consciousness as eating, sleeping, or socialising. Science CANNOT acknowledge this, because the scientific method is a flawed system that can only measure that which has measurement. It was never meant to be universalised.

Neither do I. I also like Buddha and the Taoists. The creation of religion from tribal forms of spirituality has caused so much division in the world, when if you look at the actual message of the people they glorify, they all say the same thing.

Except for Muhammad of course.

Yes, and totally dependant on the state.

This is where you reveal that you read ABOUT religion, and not religion itself.

Yeah, I'll explain.

Religion is an organized system meant to give authority to certain individuals whose job it is to comfort us. But unfortunately, religion has been so badly abused by people that it is difficult to want to be associated with it. More specifically, organized religion. I find great spiritual sustenance in teachings from all religions (save Islam), and I do not like the dismissive attitudes they encourage for others beliefs.

That's why if i am pushed to label myself, I go with "Taoist". There is a Taoist poem:

Dismount your donkey at the summit.

It means, no matter how you get there, the important thing is that you got there. The donkey is whichever particular spiritual system you used.

And i agree about science. Like I said, physics is the new God, trying to boil everything down to particles.

Are you trying to goad me into something, friend?

>his aversion to western theology is such that he turns to chinkshit

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I provided a link I think would help you, instead of spergposting about religion as an abstract phenomenon

Not true. But western theology is limited basically to the bible. I love the teachings of Christ, as I believe I already stated.

Protestantism, maybe

That makes sense. I always try to make a distinction between religion and organised religious communities, but I agree that it is a very difficult thing to do.

Anyone that makes science their God is making the most crucial mistake one can make. I have been studying alchemy in its various forms for a few years now, and it's never been more clear that science and spirituality, while they began working in tandem, have been torn apart from one another.

I know quite a lot about religion. But thank you.

And I am not posting that religion is an abstract phenomenon. I am saying that the spiritual or religious experience is an abstract phenomenon, and that abstract phenomenons in general require spirituality as science can not quantify them.

But you write about religion as if it's something you read a thirdhand account about where some guy sees it at a great distance

I was excited that there would be some hope with the discoveries being made in quantum mechanics that would help bridge the gap, but it seems to have only made things worse.

No you get respected scientists talking about infinite multiverse with every possible things being true and Artificial general intelligence that will hit the singularity and become God. It's just silly.

Also, if there are infinite universes where everything is possible, then doesn't that mean that there are universes that were created by God...? Science /BTFO/?

You are going to have to explain how you came to that conclusion, as I only really addressed religion in one post.

I am writing about it as someone who does not want to debate religion, but rather accept them all (except Islam) as a fundamental necessity for humanity.

Shit, meant for

It annoys me that you write as if you know more than you think you do. I'm sure this shapeless and formless empty spirituality you propose is the true way

To be fair, I'm not really worried about the Christian vs Atheist debate. Sometime in the next 50 years they will create strong AI and most likely find nanotechnology that creates virtual immortality.

After 100 years or so eventually people will either stop being religious because they have no fear of death anymore or they start worshiping machines which will be basically gods.

Or the machines could put us all in camps and sterilize us so it will be a moot point.

Either way strong AI will happen. I have faith.

Okay, I am no longer going to respond to you. I am not purporting to know anything. If you have a specific question, you can ask it.

I am not promoting any form of spirituality. Whatever works for the individual is great. I follow my own path. I am happy and love everyone. I do not claim to have any answers.

The point of this thread is to point out that humans need spirituality. That atheism has morphed into something terrible, riding on the back of modern science. I have purposefully avoided talking about specific religions for the very reason I reject religion; it always turns into an argument about which is the right way.

And now, despite my efforts to avoid such a petty argument, still, you are falling into that exact same trap by trying to say that my way is not the right way, even though i have no way. I refuse to let you derail this.

It's a sign that they don't know anything, and I find it both amusing and annoying that when a scientist says:

>"we're probably all living in a video game!"
or
>"we live in a universe of infinite possibilities, where every possibility is played out!"

They are taken seriously at all. It's just cult of celebrity at this point. And further evidence of the need for spirituality being turned to this..hero worship.

Infinite possibilities is meaningless. It's literally every possible outcome, which renders everything utterly meaningless. Logically unsound too, using the general arguments against this kind of thing, as a possibility where the "multiverse" isn't real couldn't possibly exist.

It's just nu-atheism and their childish rejection of any kind of limitation.

>Also, if there are infinite universes where everything is possible, then doesn't that mean that there are universes that were created by God...? Science /BTFO/?

No. If your idea of a god existed at all, he wouldn't be limited to maybe a few of the infinite universes. He would be omnipresent in all universes.

He is not even slightly present in this universe, and the only way for theists to logically argue his existence is to place it outside of the universe itself, which is in reality the same place we put Darth Vader and Peter Pan; fiction. Anything outside of our universe does not exist within our universe by definition.

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Very nice post.

The problem I have with most religion is when it have problem with modern science which there is nothing wrong with. You can be spiritual and believe in science. The Pope even admitted evolution and big bang were real so there.

If you want to believe the earth is 6000 years (even though its not explicitly stated in the Bible) and want to teach that in schools instead of evolution then we have a problem.

So explain how you're different from the typical atheist/relativist since I don't see it.

"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"

religion is why much of the world is still shit, particularly islam. More ignorance is not the answer. Problems are religion, women's lib, liberalism. All other problems stem from those.

It's a sign you're ignorant and don't understand the mathematics and physics behind it, because you're likely too dumb, and so weakly turn to your all-encompassing and simple answer of "God did it".

The shills are trying to mimic us and turn us into a meme by calling all threads shill threads.

>calls me ignorant
>can't read
>pretends I said things I never said

Nah. Enjoy your only reply.

I totally agree. They have gotten so pumped up by the backing of the atheist movement, that their excitement has made them retarded. It's okay to imagine what is possible according to the laws of physics, but the fact they believe this shit is possible based on the current model of quantum physics just goes to show how inadequate quantum physics is. They are trying to explain all of existence based on what we as humans are able to observe. And we know from studying animals, that there is so much more that we are able to observe than they can, based on the limitations of biology. So to ignore that fact and believe that we can somehow observe all that is knowable, or predict it with math is absurd.

Oh I can ready. Everything you said stems from the underlying premise you have about science. You're premise is wrong, therefore everything you said after to support the premise is wrong too. I don't need to deconstruct how dumb your supporting arguments are if your underlying premise is incorrect to begin with.

Learn to argue.

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This.

The best example of this is Lawrence Krauss famously saying: "if you think you understand quantum physics, you don't understand quantum physics.", to rapturous applause. Only a fairly small number in that audience, those that aren't blinded by hero worship for their "betters" would understand that this is NO DIFFERENT to a cleric saying: "God is unknowable!" to the same applause.

It's a sad state of affairs.

See, this is totally the fault of the religious right in America. Religion has always served as a "fill in the blank" for that which science can not explain. In its own way, it was an ancient form of science. Just listen to Alan Watts talk about mythology, he explains it all.

But there is no need for separation from science. The Dalai Lama loves modern science. And there is some place for a "God did it" mentality when it comes to the unexplainable, but the error comes in thinking of what Watts referred to as "The ceramic God" of the old testament, a literal creator forming and shaping things, rather than the oneness of all things.

Yeah, I know.

To be fair, science and technology have been the solution to most of our problems.

Political and philosophical solutions never seem to work long term.

Eventually they even solve the problem of old age. Unless you think god intended for us to live in caves covered in lice and shit like.

>all these strawman attacks and offhand dismissals of someone who posts more intelligently than yourself

Atheists are the modern "believe because I say so" people and it's so obvious

>I really believe that 3rd wave feminism, SJW, the regressive left....all that shit stems from the atheism wave.
No, it comes from Marxism, or just conflict theory in general.

Marxists think that existing structures and traditions perpetuate oppression, and must be torn down. All of them, including religion.

In a lot of cases this anti-religion bent comes from an underlying progressive ideology (heavily influenced by Marxism) rather than critically examining religious claims.

I am an atheist who shares your concerns about atheism, OP

Just look at what he says in response to you

>learn to argue

This is exactly what i was talking about in the OP. Atheists have turned into zealots. They worship their own intellect and logic, and their form of prayer is the argument. There are Christians that do this exact same thing, only they are generally nice, polite and patient instead of mean, bitter and nasty.

They are two sides of the same coin. Thoughtless people with wounded or weak spirits who have propped their identity up with an "ism" and have to go around putting it in everyone's face in order to justify their own existence.

Not to mention the neo-victorian attitude that everything can be solved through technological advancement

Why be boring if you can be interesting?

>They are trying to explain all of existence based on what we as humans are able to observe
What's your point? That this is somehow a bad thing? Or that it's better to explain all of existence based on what we can't observe?

>And we know from studying animals, that there is so much more that we are able to observe than they can, based on the limitations of biology

Biologically, animals are able to observe things we cannot, so you're wrong. We need technology to observe the things we can't naturally observe. We know from studying animals that we can *comprehend* more than they can. Your statement is ignorant and inaccurate.

>So to ignore that fact and believe that we can somehow observe all that is knowable, or predict it with math is absurd.

There is no fact to ignore. Your "fact" is inaccurate. You're acting like believing we could eventually understand the space we exist in fully is a bad thing. Math can empirically predict and describe our universe with great accuracy.

What the fuck is your argument in this thread? Religion is whack but science can be too, so let's combine them? Seriously I don't understand what you're for or against here.

No, technology will ultimately destroy us. Technology is not fulfilling. The happiest people in the world live in small tribal societies with little technology and many spiritual rituals.

You probably noticed your friends were intellectually stunted as you grew up. Arguing with evangelical Christians is easy mode. Did any of your m8s go learn Hindi? Sanscript? Arabic? Hebrew? And pick apart other religions.
Of course they didn't. They probably didn't even ever look at an English Quran.

What you thought was a lake in your youth turned out to be a puddle.

youtu.be/JnYwgcgBYeo

Well the Victorians weren't wrong.

When and if they get AI working, then well... Shit going to get real.

You're using SJW and PC arguments against atheism? Lol wow, someone speaks the truth and hurts your fee fees (because we all know the saying the truth hurts, you can't handle the truth, etc.), and so you cower and hide from those conflicts, mocking them?

feminism, abolitionism, and prohibition all originate from bleeding heart Christians, not atheists.

and before you mention it, no, atheism is not responsible for lower birth rates, there is no correlation, there IS a correlation however with woman liberty and lower birthrates tho.

I've been an agnostic-atheist since I was 11 and grew out of being anti-religion at 13. people that fail to get out of that phase are man-children.

half my town is atheist/agnostic and there isn't rampant SJW bullshit, degeneracy, (only like 10 homosexuals out of 4000+ people), or any real amount of anti-religion thought (near the edge of town there is a major orthodox church, and within the town proper there is a second church). the most liberal thing about the town is the Woman Democrat mayor, but she wasn't unqualified, she was a council member for a fair while

>To be fair, science and technology have been the solution to most of our problems.

Well, problems that can be solved by technological progress have been solved through technological progress.

Was this ever a doubt?

Yeah, it's quite sad, but I haven't been able to figure out a way to get them to listen or try to empathise? Because why would you ever try to compromise on a point when someone is SO WRONG and a meme will do just as well?

They weren't wrong. The attitude died with the Victorian era because of the inhumane large-scale mechanised slaughter of the Great War

youtube.com/watch?v=6iGEiY6wvDo

Those people are not happy. They have gods and illogical beliefs in things like prayer being capable of literally healing physical injuries because they're ignorant and in despair from it, trying to call out to any power that's above them to help, instead of ignoring that and helping themselves like the rest of Humanity with civilization has been slowly doing.

I have stated the purpose of this thread several, several times. Maybe you should read it instead of calling me ignorant and arguing semantics.

In order to observe something, you have to comprehend it, or else you aren't observing it at all; you aren't processing all of the information.

My point, is that science has gotten to a point where there are taboo subjects. This is partially due to politics, and it is partially to do with how atheists have glorified science. Science seeks to completely dismiss spirituality and psychedelics. Thank God for men like Sam Harris trying to prove that they are not mutually exclusive.

Science is not unbiased. The fact there are taboo subjects invalidates it's ability to claim that it can explain everything.

And you shouldn't call people names.

*They WERE wrong

>Human being need spirituality


>Did any of your m8s go learn Hindi? Sanscript? Arabic? Hebrew? And pick apart other religions.

> Did any of your m8s go learn Hindi? Sanscript? Arabic? Hebrew? And pick apart other religions.
>Of course they didn't. They probably didn't even ever look at an English Quran.
You're a fucking retard if you expect people to learn other languages just to argue with people they don't care about. When the Hindi-speaking Buddhists/Hindus come over to America then I'll maybe pick up a Hindi dictionary

Well, that's not true at all. They are actually very intelligent and looked at many religions. Which is why it became so disappointing to me. I blame the environment. We grew up in a really poor shitty side of town. They moved away to the other side of town, but it is all hipsters.

Why did they dislike them? Because of disagreeing on the definitions of God, the nature of the spirit, the nature of man, etc. or because "I just didn't, like, feel it man?"

Well, that's just not true. There are some like that, but mostly those that grow out of small tribes. They have recorded people who live in small tribes and they smile almost constantly, come good fortune or bad. Meanwhile, we live in a world where people REEEEEEEEEE when they get killed in an online video game.

Anyway, is it more important to live long, or be happy?

The point is, we can have both.

>this is NO DIFFERENT to a cleric saying: "God is unknowable!"
Except with quantum physics it's trying to predict something that's external and verifiable that we're just not sure how to explain yet.

Krauss is a moron when he starts talking about philosophy, but don't extrapolate that and condemn a legitimate field of science.

You can't try to get them to listen or empathise. All you can do is love them, treat them well, and live as an example. Focus on yourself in an unselfish way, and it will help those around you.

>But anyway, there is a direct slide from atheism into zealous atheism. And once they run out of Christians to attack, they have to have somethin to proselytize about, so it is a natural progression to liberalism and SJW shit. I really believe that 3rd wave feminism, SJW, the regressive left....all that shit stems from the atheism wave.
It stems from the 'atheism wave' in so far as the following

Everyone knows intuitively that there is an ideal. Some way things "ought" to be. We can point to any number of things in this world and insist it shouldn't be like that. The specifics aren't important for the point, nor that we agree on what way any or even everything "ought" to be like. Only that we recognize that by overwhelming majority we as humans recognize something is fundamentally wrong.

Enter Progressives. The religious progressive has some sort of standard. It isn't necessarily arbitrary or subjective. It may not be correct, but it appeals to something beyond the self. Some sort of metaphysically necessary objective by which "progress" can be measured.

Atheism lacks such a standard. Progress under such a world view or model is entirely arbitrary, subjective, and ultimately pointless. There is no goal. Even if things to improve by matter of consensus view the idea THAT method should be the standard is no more relevant than appeal to any other sort other standard, like "it works for me".

The result. "Progressive" atheism is meandering bullshit that is just as soon to tear down everything it has built if for no other reason some new arbitrary standard deems the entire endeavor was for some reasons or another "regressive".

The worst part of it? Rarely do any atheists really embrace their world view and face the implications, nevermind live by them. Always they adopt the standards of some other worldview, often while complaining about how those standards "ought" to be some other way. Maybe that's right, but an alternative the atheists do not have.

Typical "I've heard all religions" know-it-all adopting a fatalistic Buddhist mindset. Have you even read a single book?

This threads purpose is as irrelevant as all other theistfag threads on Sup Forums. It's useless conversation that never gets anywhere and only serves to slide important topics from the front page.

>In order to observe something, you have to comprehend it, or else you aren't observing it at all; you aren't processing all of the information

I love how you just can't stop spouting stupid BS that is obviously wrong. Animals don't comprehend shit, yet they can observe as much as us and sometimes more. The brain is ALWAYS and CONSTANTLY processing every tiny little bit of information the external senses pick up. This is the only way you can actually SEE or hear anything around you. If your brain wasn't processing the photons bouncing off the walls of your room to let you know they're there, you'd fucking walk right into them without realizing there's an object there.

Everything has taboo subjects. Science does not seek to dismiss spirituality or psychedelics, it seeks to explain them in an easy to understand way. You misunderstand this because of the reality clashing against your imagined view. Like watching the movie version of a book is usually disappointing because what you're seeing is different from what you've built up in your mind.

Science is a tool, and tools cannot be anything but what their wielders use them for. Science is unbiased, people are not.

Everything you explain is inaccurate, ignorant or just plain incorrect.

I'm not condemning the field of quantum physics. I don't know anything about it, so it'd be pretty idiotic and mean for me to do so.

I'm criticising people that will hang on his every word due to celebrity status. Way too many atheists believe that they're logical and rational people because they visit IFLscience every now and again and upvote black science man quotes.

Well, i'm not one of those people that thinks loving my enemy is the right thing to do, but violence against zeal is wrong in all regards, so i'll likely just ignore them? maybe they'll grow up?

They smile constantly good or bad because of their ignorance. It's bliss because you can easily imagine the most astounding, magical ways to end your problems and pretend that everything will eventually be okay, no matter what. It's the philosophical equivalent of sticking your head into the sand and going, "Lalalalla". They see something horrible and to cope with it by their ignorant brains imagining an equal or greater good reaction coming out of it, like, "oh it doesn't matter if mogwab was violently murdered by his jealous cousins, cuz our 58 gods will take him into heaven where he'll be happy foreverXD".

It's disgusting and dishonest. And the worst part is idiots like you pretending this is any way to live.

If, when we die, everything goes dark and we cease to exist, then who cares how a man lived? If a simple man wants to live a happy life in ignorant bliss, why not let him?

Eventually science will be so advanced that the average man won't be able to understand it.

It will be like magic and we will have techno priests to intercede for us with the great AI gods.

And thus the great Adeptus Mechanicum came to pass.

>animals don't comprehend shit

stopped right there. If you really think that animals don't comprehend anything, then A) you are positing that human beings aren't animals, which goes against the very same science you are clutching so tightly,and
B)You are implying that animals do not think, have no mental process in the brain, and run on some sort of magical instinct.

I don't think you know what the word comprehend means. There are primates that can speak fucking sign language, do you think they don't comprehend?

The point of this thread is not to argue. But it has clearly shown how badly atheists want to do so. Every atheist in this thread has been nothing but rude, condescending and nasty.

The best people i have ever met in my life have all been very spiritual. They would do anything for another person. They love unconditionally. They are always smiling, always hugging, always asking others if they need anything. I would much rather live in a world full of people like that than a world full of people like you.

Can you COMPREHEND that?

>eventually
We're there now in many fields

The people who are still here to deal with the bullshit those idiots left behind care, sir. We care a whole lot.

You can love your enemy and punch him in the fucking face. This is where i deviate more into Taoism. It is more important to follow your nature and do what you are comfortable with. If that means ignoring shit heads, so be it. But if they ask you, tell them. If they laugh, oh well. Have patience with them, but compassion for yourself.

The underlying problem here is human psychology with cognitive biases like groupthink, confirmation bias, framing bias, self-serving bias, etc. What you have to understand is that there is spectrum between atheism and theism. It's much like politics in that on the surface it is only a two party system but when you go deeper you find there is a wide array of political thought. You have the angry anti-theist reddit fedora new atheists with an intellectual superiority complex on one end and fanatical theists on the other end who think atheists are demons and their doctrines or spiritual guides are the ultimate truth. The internet has made these loudmouths more visible so it gives you an us vs. them impression, and then media capitalizes on this even more when it is really just a false dichotomy.

The fact of the matter is this isn't a totally black and white issue and there are various shades of gray. There are plenty of atheists open to exploring the possibility of spirituality (New Atheist Sam Harris has written books exploring consciousness and spirituality without religion) and have no hard feelings toward the religious and can even respect them. Then there are religious people who are open to learning outside their religion, have no problem with atheists and respect them with a curiosity to learn from them, particularly theologians. Also there isn't as much of a conflict between science and religion as you think. Historically, religious schools of thought have produced prominent scientific thinkers like during the Islamic Golden Age (inb4 mudslime, I'm an atheist). Furthermore, the official Catholic Church recognizes the veracity of evolution and there are other critically thinking religious philosophers like Alvin Platingua. Not every religion prohibits reason and only promotes blind faith. Some (yes even within Christianity) actually encourage thinking critically about faith.

Scientism can be an issue and the reductionist and materialist point of views aren't a done deal yet. There are still contentious issues like the problem of consciousness, qualia, etc. in the philosophy of mind. So if it isn't evident enough, atheists can be just as dogmatic and indoctrinated as theists. A lot of these fedora atheists like to claim they are "freethinkers" when they won't even bother to explore theism because they assume it and those within the field are stupid, with their echo chamber this. The original freethinkers were in fact theists and their is nothing precluding this from happening today. Freethinking is just about questioning authoritative thinking, ideology, dogma, politics, conventional wisdom, etc. the field doesn't matter. Bad science and pseudoscience is just as much of a problem as woodom. Always check for opposing views. The overarching framework you must apply is critical thinking because there are “false prophets” within every field. If you are interested in critical thinking, torrent textbooks on it. You'll see examples of sound and poor thinking and train your mind to be more self aware of your thought process.

Are you actually 33? You think like a teenager

You have missed the entire point, because I suppose you can't imagine that people can live together and not murder.

They are actually doing shit with their life, and they are happy.

Meanwhile, you are sitting at your computer posting on Sup Forums and arguing that they aren't really happy, just stupid.

Do you see what i am getting at?

Are we all just going to ignore the fact that religious belief is related to mental illness?
youtu.be/4WwAQqWUkpI

There are people who unironically believe this.

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OP, people eventually grow out of "atheism". In its current form it manifests itself psychologically as pro-science deterministic autism, but as we are learning with meme magic there is much more to the human mind than we know about. Religion posits that your actions carry on after death, science is coming to similar conclusions or will soon

>we'll just, like, get along, man
>duuuude, pass the blunt

Holy shit dude, wtf? I guess I am #Satanmissle now.

>Religion posits that your actions carry on after death, science is coming to similar conclusions or will soon
Keep em coming, user. Shit is hilarious.

people seem to forget YHWH was a Canaanite war and storm god. Judaism began as YHWHism and was essentially a cult that claimed YHWH was the only "real" god and that all others were demons. early jews were hated because they were assholes that went around calling other people's gods bullshit

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity are simply, by nature, offensive, violent, warring, expansionist religions, this shouldn't be new to anyone.

>If you really think that animals don't comprehend anything, then A) you are positing that human beings aren't animals, which goes against the very same science you are clutching so tightly

Animals don't comprehend anything. Human beings being animals has nothing to do with our ability to comprehend or not. We're a different kind of animal. Completely unique. Your argument is like saying because a 4k, 3D flatscreen televisiontelevision and an old CRT television are both televisions that they should be capable of the same things.

>B)You are implying that animals do not think, have no mental process in the brain, and run on some sort of magical instinct

They do only run on instinct and do not think anywhere near close to the way we think. A brain isn't even needed in some cases to make a living creatures. But a thinking one needs a very complex, dense, and large brain, which only we have and are capable of understanding.

Primates speaking sign language is not comprehension, it's pattern recognition and mimicry. Do parrots speak? No, they mimic.

>The point of this thread is not to argue. But it has clearly shown how badly atheists want to do so. Every atheist in this thread has been nothing but rude, condescending and nasty

I disagree, but you should expect a reaction of nastiness when you are literally positing your opinions with your own "holier than thou" condescension on atheism and atheists.

>I would much rather live in a world full of people like that than a world full of people like you

The problem here is that I am one of those people, and I agree with you. You fail to understand that atheism does not negate spirituality, but a specific kind that Abrahamic religions have been hammering down our throats for over 2k years.