Can we all accept that this is the sequel to Pet Sounds?

Can we all accept that this is the sequel to Pet Sounds?
>Made by an extremely autistic, troubled artist, tortured soul
>This one person had complete control over the project
>They secluded themselves in the studio for days, tweaking their perfect vision
>Extremely densely layered masterpieces
>Brought together experimental aspects and pop elements
>Both have zero filler
>Two best Albums ever made

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trent reznor is the male grimes

You won't force this meme

>pop elements
Wow, first RHCP, then Linkin Park and Nirvana, and now Nine Inch Nails!

ALTERNATIVE ROCK IS NOT POP MUSIC AT ALL! STOP BELIEVING THIS RETARDED IDEA AND ACTUALLY LEARN HOW TO UNDERSTAND MUSIC!

>extremely autistic, troubled artist, tortured soul
he wasn't any of those. yet.

>A lot of the songs follow pop music structures
>While sonically and texturally a lot of the album is influenced by industrial, melodically Trent retains the influence of synthpop and delivers Depeche Mode-ian choruses
>no pop elements

nine inch nails = bad music for 14 year olds

When's your wall of text coming? You're like that obsessive faggot who starts instantly posting shit if one posts pony shit anywhere

10/10 if troll, but if genuine, pls delete this

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Better to stick around to Neutral Milk Hotel and Lil Pump my friend.

You mean the Verse-Chorus-Verse structure found in all Alternative Rock? With the "quiet verses, loud choruses" dynamic? That's a literal defining trait of Alt. Rock, ever since bands like the Pixies pioneered that dynamic.

Pixies were pop, you pleb.

I'm getting really fucking sick of all these NIN shills on this board lately.
Go away.

Popular ≠ pop. Pop focuses on simplicity and traditionalist structures as their core of music. Alternative Rock combines some of that simplicity with the guitar dynamics of Rock and underground/unconventional ideas.

The Pixies are strictly Alternative Rock, you Pleb.

Is this album a new meme on Sup Forums. I haven't been here in a while.

What makes you think your bitching will make a difference?

2 bucks per post dude it's like a fucking dream

Mate, they play them on the radio. All of their music is simple and follows a conventional song structure. The Pixies were pop. There is nothing experimental about their music. Influential, yes. Experimental, no.

That structure has been adopted by alt rock, but it originated in pop music. Therefor it is a pop element. This pop element is found in alt rock and on The Downward Spiral. Do you get it now?

Just because something isn't experimental doesn't mean it's pop music. Alternative is like music that bridges the gap between mainstream and independent/underground, that takes influences from both conventional and unconventional. This aptly describes the Pixies more than pop does. And plus, Alternative/Indie radio isn't mainstream pop radio at all. The Pixies seldom have their music played on Pop radio.

I hope you know that almost all music can be distilled into just two categories. Pop music and experimental music. The Pixies are pop. Nine Inch Nails are pop. My Bloody Valentine are pop. Joy Division was pop. Anything that follows typical song structures is pop. Experimental music is shit that doesn't follow tradional structures, or include tradional melodies. Something like a 20 minute long jam session with no verses or choruses, free jazz, harsh noise, drone, etc.

fuck off you loser

Alternative rock is literally just underground pop rock you fucking mongoloid.

By that logic, if an Alternative Metal meets Black Metal, Drone and Noise song had a verse-chorus-verse structure, would that mean it has a pop element to it, even though it sounds absolutely nothing from pop music? And plus, Pop music doesn't just rely on that VCV structure; it's melodically focused and seldom has any loud distortion or heaviness on it. Most Alternative Rock relies on a heavy-ish, distorted sound from mainly guitars, along with heavier drums and more idiosyncratic singing.

>it's another "faggot doesn't like that someone called his favorite band pop" thread
what's wrong with pop anyway

>this isn't pop rock

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No, I think that such a generalization is just one dimensional at best, because it fails to consider the uniqueness of other genres. Most of those bands you just mentioned only have one similarity in sound, and that's just the V-C-V song structure. Each of those bands have a clearly defined style that individualizes them from others, and that personality is the core of their music, not the miniscule similarities they might have with other bands. It's their vision, ambition and the way they interpret their music that makes bands/artists stand out from the rest.

>an Alternative Metal meets Black Metal, Drone and Noise song
Show me a song like that.

>Each of those bands have a clearly defined style that individualizes them from others, and that personality is the core of their music, not the miniscule similarities they might have with other bands. It's their vision, ambition and the way they interpret their music that makes bands/artists stand out from the rest.
This is all meaningless music journalism fluff. The fact of the matter is that all of those unique sounds exist within the realm of popular music. They all sound unique, but they're all pop groups.

None of that means saying a band has pop elements is wrong.
I could say "this song has guitars" about a Pixies song and I wouldn't be wrong even though they're completely different from something like Darkthrone that also uses guitars. Similarly, saying an album has pop elements isn't generalizing it.
I seriously don't get what you have against the pop label. I see you sperg out about it every time someone says an alternative band is pop in any way.

>Where Is My Mind
Good job using their most popular song to debunk my argument. You really are such a unique person.

>Debaser
Barely melodic vocals played with a rougher, noisier guitar tone = pop rock. Wow, forget about having cleaner production and sound, and more melodic, easy-going vocals. You're piercing through that target with your diamond arrows; this is pop rock to the core, man!

>Here Comes Your Man
This is the only one you've provided that even remotely resembles pop rock, but even so, it's more jangle pop/indie pop inspired.

So 0.5/3. F-, excellent job! You've passed the class! And your reward is the Brainlet stamp of approval, drawn by an actual brainlet! Yippee!

Compared to contemporary industrial acts, Nine Inch Nails is way poppier.

Mate, you're not comprehending what I'm saying. You seem to think that being noisey or featuring loud guitars makes something not pop. Anything that isn't experimental music can be considered pop music. Punk is loud and noisey and, ironically, is the very essence of pop music. It's simple verse-chorus-verse-chorus rock music that doesn't waste any time with experimentation. Non-pop music is music that doesn't follow a structure, music that doesn't use tradional melodies, music that is atonal, etc. Anything else is pop.

This. Stop acting like being labeled "pop" is some sort of death sentence. Some of my favorite bands are pop. Slowdive, The Cure, Joy Division, Misfits, etc.

Your argument about pop not being noisy falls apart when you consider the fact that noise pop is a genre of music.

I said "if" to describe it. Obviously, it indicates that it theoretically could happen. I didn't say there was an actual song like that. But of course, you're going to use that to invalidate my argument anyway. So here's something that resembles my description (INB4 "wheeres teh drome blaek mutal pahrt?", details are for robot dogs).
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Forget music journalism. If you actually think all music, regardless of their distinctions from other bands, styles and artists can just be lumped into one realm, then you've failed to understand music.

>I see you sperg out about it every time someone says an alternative band is pop in any way.
What? Who do you think I am? Where have you seen me before?

>It doesn't count because it's their most popular song!
So you admit it's a pop rock song.
>Barely melodic vocals played with a rougher, noisier guitar tone
This is quite the exaggeration. Obviously Black's vocals aren't the most melodic and he's literally shouting at a section of the song, but there's still melody to most of it. Not only that, the guitar tone is not "rougher and noisier" than something like Boston, for example. Pop rock isn't defined by having every aspect of the song being completely clean like you're implying, even the fucking Beatles had some "dirtier" songs early on. The production is quite clean as well, so I'm not sure what your point is.
>it's more jangle pop/indie pop inspired
Those aren't mutually exclusive to pop rock, especially when they're only an "inspiration". Do you not think Rubber Soul era Beatles are pop rock?

>If you actually think all music, regardless of their distinctions from other bands, styles and artists can just be lumped into one realm
It objectively can. They all exist within the realm of popular music.

>I said "if" to describe it. Obviously, it indicates that it theoretically could happen. I didn't say there was an actual song like that.
But your argument doesn't make any sense if there isn't an actual song like that. You can't just imagine a song that doesn't exist and use that to prove your argument. There's no way to know if the song you describe has pop elements to if because it doesn't fucking exist.
And the only alternative influence in the song you linked are the kinda melodic vocals (which, ironically, is something you've been saying is a necessary part of pop rock the whole thread).

>What? Who do you think I am? Where have you seen me before?
You're the "RHCP isn't pop rock" guy. It's fucking obvious based on your talking points, the way you type, the Reddit spacing and the fact that you mentioned RHCP in your first post. It's embarrassing, really.

Noise Pop is a sub-genre of Alternative Rock.

That still shouldn't trap bands that are experimental and use V-C-V structures as necessarily pop, because of one thing: you can employ multiple styles of experimental/avant-garde music in V-C-V structures alone. Bands like Mr. Bungle, Faith No More, Primus, Ween, and many others can shift entire genres in the course of a song alone, ranging from Heavy Metal to Funk to even Drone-esque sequences in a V-C-V song. Heck, if a song featured absolute Noise/Static/Industrial melodies that shift from a different time signature
(say from 8/4 to 3/4 to a completely unorthodox time signature not heard in natural music like 10/12 and 27/55*) in just the verse of a song alone, and then had the chorus that included syrupy guitars, or even pitch-shifted instruments and some Ambient melody to accompany it, could you really consider it "pop"? There's a reason why pop music is traditional; most actual pop artists (disregarding sub-genres that fuse pop with non-poppy ideas) fail to deviate from a simple, easy-going and/or catchy melody/rhythm, and instead focus on appealing sounds and accessibility. I don't consider Alternative Rock pop music because it bridges the Gap and blurs the lines between traditional Rock and Pop music with unorthodox ideas not found in the commonality of reality. As such, pop music shouldn't envelop every artist or musician that isn't experimental in your definition. And also, who says that experimental music MUST follow your definition anyway?

Literally made in the house Dennis Wilson's roommate Charlie had Sharon Tate butchered in

How edgy of them

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what the fuck is this meme, why is downward spiral all over mu?