I think Trump may have won the election today

So Trump is going to talk to the NRA. This is only hearsay, but I think his ability to get a deal among friends will make Obama and Hillary look absolutely retarded.

>Trump enters with Wayne LaPierre, head of NRA.

>Trump begins.

> "Ladies and Gentleman - I would like to announce, with my old friend Mr LaPierre,"

>"A series of reforms that both the NRA and the Trump Presidency are willing to agree upon."

>"This will be the largest change in gun control in the USA for over 25 years. It is a milestone that 20 years of political discourse has not been able to achieve."

>Trump pauses. "No longer will terrorists be able to purchase weapons to kill innocent Americans."

>"Let me make this clear - If you are on a FBI watchlist then you will not get a weapon."

>"American citizens not under investigation will be able to carry and continue our love with firearms. We want the good guys to have weapons, not the enemy."

>"Among these reforms, we are protecting your Constitutional right to bear arms by increasing the ability to obtain concealed carry and open carry permits to law abiding American citizens. We want you to be able to protect your family and friends."

>Mr LaPierre and Trump shake hands and introduce the largest gun reforms in recent history with massive support.

Mr Trumps Presidency has already begun.

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I've been thinking exactly this all day bro

It's going to be amazing. That why they're shilling so hard.

I was sitting here crying in bed. OP made my day.

Trumpcoin to the moon!

These are exact quotes?

Christ, that's delusional. Just call a spade a spade man, Trump was attempting some sort of damage control with this NRA meeting and it still blew up in his face. Cmon man.

Stop posting your shitty fanfic on Sup Forums.

Literally a faggot.

Trump your a hero

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>largest gun reform in history
>"we're not going to let suspected terrorists buy guns!"

amazing.

>gun reforms

No thanks statist scum

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

Bump this thread, boys. This is why the shills are sliding bullshit.

Oh great. Then they can take my funs away without due process. That kind of legislation would turn out just fine.

>Trump wins by being against the 2nd amendment
>the 2nd amendment is bad now

So Trumpfags really are insane, right? They are just brainless sheep following a cult of personality? I can't wait til Trump call for the castration of white males and Trumpfags start yelling how they hated being white all along.

WHERE
IS
THE
DUE
PROCESS

Ironically he does seem better suited to getting any sort of legislation through, it's like an inverted Bill Clinton for these issues.

Yeah, stripping Americans of their Constitutionally guaranteed rights without due process sounds great!

I would guess it's actually quite hard to get onto an FBI watchlist.

Shooting guns and having fun is a human right :)

SHALL

I really hope not.

I keep remembering that line from 1984 about a boot stamping on a human face. Trump seems like our last chance--but if he does this?

I don't know. There's nobody better. Literally every other option is worse.

A secret government trial to deprive Americans of due process on a constitutional right?

You're out of your fucking mind OP.

^ this

thats what I thought too

SHALL NOT BE INFRIN-

oh wait i guess i want to infringe after all, sorry y'all. We still cool right?

>being this deluded

>Trump betrays us

Fuck man, if this Gun legislature is true we've been screwed. Trump might be a traitor

How is going to mathematically win the election? Which states is he going to pick up?

>A secret government trial to deprive Americans of due process on a constitutional right?
I like Trump but his shills are getting desperate. There's no defending this bullshit.

Just admit it you fucking idiots.
If it was worded exactly as follows:
> Anyone on a terrorist watchlist for suspected ties to Islamic extremism will no longer be able to purchase or own firearms.
Key words here retards
> For suspected Islamic extremism.

Word it exactly that way and literally EVERYBODY WINS. Leftists don't want to be killed by a gun, and deep down inside despite all their SJW bullshit, they will feel safer if ISLAMIC TERRORISTS are unable to purchase firearms.

Over in our camp, we don't want terrorists having guns either, but there's a big fear of erosion of the second amendment. That's why
> SUSPECTED ISLAMIC TERRORISM
Is so important. If you aren't talking about blowing people up for Allah, you're in the clear. Literally no reason to complain there.

As long as the distinction is made, and not just
> Anybody on a watch list
You're golden and EVERYBODY is happy. Or at least happier.

>"American citizens not under investigation will be able to carry and continue our love with firearms.
BUT WHO DECIDES WHO GETS ON THE FUCKING LIST?

>We are happy to meet with Donald Trump. The NRA's position on this issue has not changed. The NRA believes that terrorists should not be allowed to purchase or possess firearms, period. Anyone on a terror watchlist who tries to buy a gun should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI and the sale delayed while the investigation is ongoing. If an investigation uncovers evidence of terrorist activity or involvement, the government should be allowed to immediately go to court, block the sale, and arrest the terrorist. At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed. That has been the position of Sen. John Cornyn (R.-Tex.) and a majority of the U.S. Senate. Sadly, President Obama and his allies would prefer to play politics with this issue.

The key sentence here is this:

>At the same time, due process protections should be put in place that allow law-abiding Americans who are wrongly put on a watchlist to be removed.

The NRA wants the system reformed. They want terrorists to actually be investigated when they are put on the list, not just thrown on the list and ignored so long as they don't try to board a plane. They want the investigation to have due process, where if evidence is found of terrorism, you go to court and have a trial. If you are wrongfully put on the list, you can also go to court and have your DUE PROCESS as an AMERICAN CITIZEN to be removed from the list. Either way, your right isn't taken away from you without a trial.

Trump will not push for any legislature on gun control without having the NRA's approval. His meeting is to understand what their position is and understand what would be the right course of action to take on this issue. This is how Trump operates. He doesn't pretend to know everything about anything. He gets educated from advisors who know the issues, and then he makes a decision.

If Trump compromises even a bit on the 2nd Ammendment I hope he loses.

And who determines who gets put on the watchlist? Who determines the criteria for getting put on the list?

Well then the only question remains.....are Sup Forums users on the watchlist?

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HOLY SHIT TRUMP LITERALLY PLAYING FOUR DIMENSIONAL KOREAN STARCRAFT 3 GRANDMASTER CHESS ALPHAGO

BE

Bullshit. Delay the purchase if you're on a list, sure. Not deny. Never never deny.

I got hard reading that

Well he hasn't done anything yet.

The NRA will surely explain to him why it's such an absolutely terrible fucking idea to allow the federal government to blanket ban large swaths of the American people from being able to buy firearms.

Any faith left in the background check system will go out the window the moment a slight overreach happens.

Gun shops will be having fucking yard sales on their front lawn with no bg checks and no fucks given. That's not even mentioning the most probably full support of the entire gun-owning community they reside in.

They'll still cry about it.

The leftists, seriously think trump and christians are responsible for orlando.

Even mentioning the fact that the shooter did it for ISIS, they call you an islamaphobe. I think it would be possible to please the conservatives, not sure what to say about the leftists

If you think it'll stop at Islamic terrorist sympathizers you're a shortsighted fool.

The next faggot in office would extend this to all political dissidents or practitioners of "extreme" speech. It's utterly incompatible with the cultural libertarian movement's goals.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.

What's so fucking hard to understand about that? You can't make a fucking law that goes against the constitution.

If you want to get rid of the guns you must amend the Constitution. Then risk the wrath of gun owners everywhere.

I just don't know anymore, user. It seems like the wound is turning. I'm still going to vote for him because there is no better option, but I feel more and more like we aren't going to get what we think we are. People here like to talk about how awesome fascism would be, but I don't think they'll agree when it's here.

I'm hoping the NRA will put a bit of common sense in Donalds head in this meeting. IT IS A MISTAKE TO MAKE THAT KIND OF CHANGE.

Government can put ANYBODY it wants on the terrorist suspect list. Make a youtube video about how the government sucks? Congrats, you're on the suspect list.

If this kind of legislation comes to pass, government will absolutely take advantage of it. BE SMART TRUMP, THIS IS A BAD THING WITH THIS KIND OF LEGISLATION ON GUN CONTROL.

The American federal government, or more specifically a secret court therein, one that absolutely cannot be trusted.

I'm not happy, you fucking ignoramus. We don't need any more bureaucracy between Americans and guns.

>Everybody wins
No one wins. I don't win. Gun owners don't win. Appeasing the left is idiotic. You can't play to their childish sentiments surrounding weapons.

It will do nothing to curb crime (Illegal weapons exist)
It will do nothing to halt "terrorism" (French attackers were using ILLEGAL AKS, dipshit. Also the US is funding Terrorism anyway)
It will only push us closer to the Gun Death. The eventual erosion of any sort of liberty.

>his ability to get a deal among friends will make Obama and Hillary look absolutely retarded

You must not know much about American politics. His party runs on a platform of no negotiation with regard to Second Amendment rights.

His "getting a deal" with the NRA would only undermine the entire party (not to mention the NRA) after a long history of both the party and the NRA (forgive the phrasing) sticking to their guns.

It won't look strong. It'll look weak (also the NRA wouldn't agree to it, there are a few documentaries about LaPierre you should watch before blathering your uneducated, Australian opinion).

Yeah and I'm cool with this, problem is that NOBODY knows about this. Everyone thinks the NRA's stance is that terrorists should get full-auto 20mm cannons. If only we had some presidential candidate with a big enough spotlight or social media following to draw attention to this and blow the Dem shills right out of the water

Oh wait a minute....

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Nice try you bait-fag.

Not being American I don't really care too much about the 2nd Amendment.

You guys are sounding almost Muslim about it though. Have you read The Art of the Deal?

and then the law gets challenged and is ruled unconstitutional for violating due process

That's not even the most important part here. You can't ban people from buying guns without due process. Just because someone is on a list doesn't make them guilty. My dad had the same name as someone on the No-Fly-List and got stopped at the airport every damn time for a solid 5 years before we sorted it out. Due process exists for a reason and you can't just break it and take away someone's constitutional rights.

No. If Trump does this he's done. The Target tranny restroom bullshit isn't a big deal but if Trump advocates any form of gun control I won't vote for him and I know many others feel the same way. The Wall is important but the 2nd amendment is THE single most important issue and the one issue I am not willing to compromise on.

This is infringement.

ledinged.

You can literally get on there for talking to the wrong people. That's how the shooter got on the list and even then the FBI decided he wasn't actually involved with any terrorist groups. The watchlist was never intended to be an accurate listing of terrorists, its just a list of possible leads to follow. Some people end up on the list for being two or three times removed socially from some guy who tried to durka himself.

Allahu Ackbar you filthy fucking Ausfag peasant.

The purpose of the second amendment is specifically for people on federal watchlists. God damn OP is a normie of the worst kind.

Yep. Thank you for saying it. Due process is necessary in any new bill, Democrats realize the public is stupid and have been pushing it as "Look Republicans and the NRA want terrorists to have guns!" when its more like "Look Republicans and the NRA want you to get a trial before we take away your constitutional right to buy a firearm!"

>I would guess it's actually quite hard to get onto an FBI watchlist.
it's not, sitting Congressmen and newborn children have accidentally ended up on the no-fly list

honestly, if they simply put a way to appeal it, it would be fine.
Like, not even a "if you are on a watch list, you can't buy guns" just a "if you are on a watch list, the government knows when you buy a gun, and if you are currently being investigated for terrorism instead of just being on the watch list, you can't buy them"

That would probably stop a sum total of 200 people in the whole country from buying guns, but it would placate millions of liberals.

And Trump would be seen as the man who made the NRA buckle.

The second amendment is for terrorists and crazy people as well? This is a new level of freedom.

You can't force this meme

Not sure if you're being sarcastic but yes, this is exactly the issue.

>Trump is going to compromise on the second amendment to win people over!
>That'll win him the general election!
If I wanted a candidate that didn't want me to be able to buy an AR-15 I'd vote for the cunt with the deleted emails. OP is lucky he didn't get shot at Pulse.

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CANNOT BE TRUSTED TO DECIDE WHO MAY OR MAY NOT OWN FIREARMS YOU DAFT CUNT.

I WARNED YOU FUCKERS

NOW REAP WHAT YOU SOW

>>"American citizens not under investigation will be able to carry and continue our love with firearms. We want the good guys to have weapons, not the enemy."
NO PERSON SHALL HAVE THEIR RIGHTS REMOVED WITHOUT DUE PROCESS AND A GOVERNMENT WATCH LIST IS NOT DUE PROCESS
NOW FUCK OFF AND DIE

I would be a bit wary of the government getting a notification every time I bought a firearm though. I know some states have de facto registries but that's literally the first step you take on the road to a ban and mandatory buyback.

Say it with me President Gary Johnson.

Oh no people being investigated by the fucking fbi cant have guns anymore!!1!

who would fight this?

...

>Trump goes to the NRA, has a calm but firm discussion, reaches a deal, gun reform
>meanwhile, the Democrats are filibustering all day long, accomplishing nothing

The FBI no fly list manages to acquire some 400,000 people including people less than 12 months old.

Everyone who cares about the 2a would fight this you retard. It means they can take away anyone's rights without due process.

>> Anyone on a terrorist watchlist for suspected ties to Islamic extremism will no longer be able to purchase or own firearms.
>>Anyone who has shit-posted on chan and masqueraded as a muslim troll for the lulz will no longer be able to purchase or own firearms.

LET IT SINK IN user

Apparently Senator (((Feinstein))) was in the backroom with the Republicans trying to make a deal while the rest of the Dems were breaking their arms jerking off on the floor

What about convicted prisoners.
What about people with ties to terrorist organizations?
What about people on no fly lists?
What about mental patients? Mental patients are not allowed to drive a car here, how the fuck do you allow them to buy a gun from walmart, this is insane.

fucking this m80s

>under FBI investigation means you have to be muslim
>mfw

Trumps playing chess while you niggers are playing checkers. What other way could he only ban Muslims from getting firearms?

He found his loophole, you tards, and the fact that the NRA is supporting him is proof of that fact.

Appeals to the gun rights guys, tells that those "under investigation for terrorism" (Ragheads) can't get them... he really just can't stop winning.

Try to keep up, nerds.

>Hey this guy says some mean stuff
>Lul, put him on the watch list for something like I don't know dog fuck videos or whatever and domestic violence

>getting rid of rights because someone is suspect to crime

That's not good. The government shouldn't be able to restrict rights without due process. It breaks the 14th amendment.

>increasing the ability to obtain concealed carry and open carry permits to law abiding American citizens

Well at least that's good. Good and bad here but much better than Hillary.

>NO PERSON

I believe when they wrote the 2nd amendment they meant americans, not fucking muslims.

that's only when you're on the list
the list can't be that big, they literally don't have the manpower for it.
the terror watch list is not the same as the no fly list, mind you.

Letting some dipshit in an office monitoring the websites you've visited determine whether or not you can own a weapon for self defense is going to lead to a thousand Ruby Ridge style events.

>You can't own those guns sir! You're coming with us! Hand them over!

>Not til you tell me what I did!

>You watched an ISIS propaganda video on Sup Forums.

Sounds like a brilliant fucking idea.

Johnson picked a gun grabber for his VP. He's a fucking joke who's given up any pretension of being libertarian to pander to the left.

Fuck off shill. Due process. I can give fuckall if a mere suspect of islamic terrorism can buy a gun because I conceal carry. THATS THE WHOLE POINT

what if instead of denying people on FBI lists from getting guns, they just tax the shit out of them? Terrorists can still get guns, but they have to pay big bucks.

...

What if there was a process? Your legal system is efficient enough to handle it.

This.

Trump literally was a gun grabber!

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No

If you're a convicted felon you can't buy a gun and in most states you can't vote.
If you've been convicted of terrorist activities that's the same as under the last point, otherwise you can legally buy a gun but the FBI is probably keeping tabs on you.
If you're on the no fly list you can still buy a gun because that's just the federal government trying to cast a big net and get anyone who might be a threat with like 90% mistaken identity or no connection to any group.
Mental patients are an interesting topic because medical records are supposed to be sealed but depending upon the severity if the person is a deemed a threat to themselves and others they're probably in someone else's care so they cannot directly buy but if they're on their own and mentally unstable sure they can try and buy a firearm.

I'd take Hillary over Trump any day of the week. Hillary is just a standard sleezy American politician. We can handle those. What is the worse Hillary can do? Start a war in the middle east? Who fucking cares. When Hillary does something "anti-lib" she gets backlash or dropped, because her base has issues they care about. Trump supporters just care about sucking the dick of some guy name Donald Trump. Trump is hollow and his base is hollow. It's just a cult of personality.

Trump has no morals or actual convictions. And his base betrayed all their supposed "conservative values" because MUHH TRUMP yells the loudest. Trump supporters would slit their mothers own throats if le god emperor meme told them to. I don't see the same kind of crazy bullshit with the left. Fuck Trump.

I couldn't give less of a fuck of Muslim """"American"""" citizens can get their guns

This. I'll probably still vote for him but restricting due process is a slippery slope.

The problem with that is you can't control whether you're on the FBI watch list. Maybe a few Sup Forums fucktards shoot some people, suddenly everyone found to have accessed Sup Forums is on the list and has their guns revoked.

Trump is meeting with the NRA to do the exact opposite of what you propose. He's going to solidify the policy side of his pro-gun stance and see what ability he has to negotiate.

It might be possible for some regulation in this area given that the requirement for DUE PROCESS in the constitution is followed strictly, but it won't be this "watchlist" bullshit.

I do agree with your premise that any step forward in this area would be monumental. I don't blame the NRA for being hard line on this subject. You give an inch to these fuckers and they will take a mile.

This is another one of those things that sounds alright on paper, but when carried out is gonna be abused and misused by the government, not to mention the right to due process is being violated

That's not even English Pablo