Can someone here please explain to me the reason to vote for Hillary...

Can someone here please explain to me the reason to vote for Hillary? Nothing about her seems genuine and the way she begs for attention is a definite red flag

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I am legitimately confused

Lawyer, first lady, secretary of state

The alternative has no experience and incendiary opinions.

The 3rd party candidate is someone nobody ever heard of and doesn't have a chance.

Current year and her vagina

Also muh experience...with terrible decisions

she has experience and like Obama she will win with "the first prez X" meme

But what about the entire email scandal? Isn't that a definite problem to you? Or is it just me?

Short term market stability for sure. I think a Trump win will cause serious unrest. Really only relevant if you are looking to retire soon.

I've never heard any reasons worth noting to vote for her. She's pretty shit tier. I hate trump too though, so whatever.

She's a politician.

Politicians:
-have connections, allies who will fight for them
-know how to work with and in the system
-knows how to work with both sides and how to compromise
-know how to react in a crisis, know how to heal, and know how to get things done
-above all a politician makes policy changes which effect very real and lasting changes

A good campaigner is able to hide the unattractive parts about being a politician (such as reserving one's own personal opinions in order to make judgements rational and multi-layered) with robust speeches and magnetic personality. Hillary is not a good campaigner, no one will deny that (least of all her). But there's far more to being a politician to campaigning. The job doesn't end once you get in office; it starts.

Now if you're the kind of person who judges people entirely on "how genuine" they are then this conversation is probably moot. Genuineness doesn't have anything to do with being an executive, but if you just want to imagine yourself as friends with the PotUS instead of making sure someone with the skill-set necessary to effect positive change is in charge of one of the three co-equal branches of the US government, then I can't stop you.

Now what kind of policy experience and objectives does she have in mind? You can look at her senate record yourself, it's pretty standard for a democrat, though she's a bit hawkish for some lefties (some would call her a war-monger). She's been a huge advocate of healthcare reform and women's rights. But being a senator isn't the same as being executive.

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So what could she do as executive? Well, instead of taking the inflammatory media's word at "the awful Clinton Foundation that takes money from terrorists and gets paid contributors into seats of power" actually look up what the Clinton Foundation does. It's a charity (for the most part) that helps everything from AIDS patients to children in laundromats who have nothing to look at/read. She is not some one-issue candidate fighting for some single policy "build a wall" or "$15 minimum wage and free college for everyone" without much concern on what the actual effects of such things are. She works from the ground up, not letting the issues of normal Americans get overshadowed by the issues of the few, but not ignoring great problems when great solutions are needed.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of old partisan pros and cons to her policies that a normal election would be ripe for disagreeing with and, being a down-and-dirty, hard-nosed politician, she's made plenty of mistakes and plenty of enemies. But she wasn't this demonized back in 2008 and frankly not all that much has changed about her since then (different stories, same narratives).

Can you trust Hillary? Well can you trust Hillary to do everything she says on any given day? Hell no, she's a politician. Once upon a time people understood that was part of the game (and the game used to work pretty damn well until people stopped playing it), but now people feel like they're entitled to some perfect idol (as if Obama was anything close to that) or extreme spokesmen. But what you can trust is for her to do what she thinks is best for the country and that she absolutely cares about every facet of it.

But if you have to be tricked into getting the best president in recent history elected by pitting her up against an insane demagogue then that's fine. It's not the journey that matters, it's the destination.

Holy shit that is probably the fairest thing I've read on /pol in a loooooong time thank you

You should be concerned with candidates' actual policy positions, not how "genuine" you perceive them to be.

No clue man

Some people are just stupid

Hillbilly will pay you $1 if you vote for her!

But it doesn't hurt to have someone you can actually trust to run the government

A literal reptile.


the tinfoil fucks might actually on to something for once.

Washington had a divine twin set of testicles.
Jefferson had a john hancock.
Jackson had a red man beat stick.
Lincoln had a big log.
Grant had whiskey dick.
Taft had huge balls.
Fdrs polio didnt stop him from fucking the germans in the ass.
Truman had a fat man, but a little boy after the first pop.
Obama is loved by people who love the BBC.
Nixon was a tricky dick.
Obviously our country needs a cunt to run it now.

Are those in any way "qualifiable" in your leafy estimation? If so it's three strikes she's out.

This seems really thought out and reasonable when you try and brush her near innumerable bad sides away with "oh well she's like , a politician dude!".

This fools morons that read Buzzfeed and get their news from Facebook but a more skeptical mind sees she's connected to bad deals going back as far as Watergate.

You can tell a lot about her by the company she chooses and she has an entire rogues gallery going from funders of terrorism (who she lavishly takes money from) to avowed KKK members who are in the senate.

youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI

Says a whole fucking lot that there is 13 minutes worth of footage of her lying and lying and lying.

>Some would call her a warmonger

Yes, somebody with eyes to see and ears to hear because that is exactly what she is. Thanks to her and fuckwits who like her, we have Libya as it is now. Syria would be even worse had the Russians not told her and her Gulf Arab friends to fuck off.

She is a political prostitute of the absolute worst kind - you give her money, she does what you want.

Oh yeah, she also put a stock trader on her nuclear committee (giving him top secret clearance, too) just because he paid her foundation.

Eat shit and die.

It is to me. Everyone I know who has a security clearance (and I know quite a few people who have them -- I'm not James Bond, I just used to work for the gov't and live in DC) is absolutely livid about it. Frankly that's understandable, given that if any of them had flaunted regulations and mismanaged classified info the way she did they'd have been hung out to dry, fired at the very least and quite possibly thrown in jail, despite the things they handle being a hell of a lot less sensitive than what she handled. Seeing somebody skate away from something that would have ruined your career, essentially because they're a powerful politician and so somewhat above the law, is pretty angering.

Further, Clinton's conduct -- and even moreso that of the people around her, Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC and the politicians and public figures who have endorsed her -- has been absolutely appalling this election season; dismissive of and insulting to huge swaths of the democratic electorate and occasionally actually shady. Is that reason enough not to vote for her? Not necessarily, but combined it's enough to really rankle me if I do, and it's something that very few people are actually talking about (Barring a few stubborn Sanders supporters, who're labeled conspiracy theorists when they do -- probably because a lot of them actually are conspiracy theorists. But I'm not trying to claim that Clinton 'rigged' the election -- just that she behaved badly and sat by while others behaved badly on her behalf.)

That's not necessarily enough to negate the reasons to vote for her, many of which were very well articulated by
especially when the other candidate is Trump, but they are real strikes against her, and there are others that go beyond her not being "genuine" and have little to do with her poor campaigning skills. As for her being the "best president in recent history"? That's a pretty wild claim, but not one that I want to get into here.

>Further, Clinton's conduct -- and even moreso that of the people around her, Wasserman-Schultz and the DNC and the politicians and public figures who have endorsed her -- has been absolutely appalling this election season; dismissive of and insulting to huge swaths of the democratic electorate and occasionally actually shady. Is that reason enough not to vote for her? Not necessarily,

And this is why they do it.

Because they can shit in your mouth and watch you eat with a smile, saying "it could be worse! :D".

Across all races, cultures, creeds and eras nobody has ever respected a doormat, doormats exist to be stood on.

SHE LOVES MUSLIMS AND ARMS TERRORISTS

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MANY, MANY MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS YET TO COME DUE TO OBAMA AND HILLARY CREATING ISIS AND SUPPORTING MUSLIMS.

100s MORE AMERICANS AND EUROPEANS WILL DIE THIS YEAR IN TERROR ATTACKS.

>AIDS and children in laundromats
I am now a Clintoris.

I didn't say I was voting for her, either; I'm noting that, especially given who she's running against, choosing to overlook her past misconduct and present faults is a respectable choice. I deliberately didn't write who I was voting for and I don't intend to.

Shoo shoo spooky shill

Whichever way you go, you know god damn well that plenty let her smear her shit covered boot on their faces because all they need to be told to fall in line is "Trump is le ebil racist :D".

Because of this, the stick is used instead of the carrot and those at the top of your party have sneering contempt for those under them and really.....why wouldn't they.

I would too.

You don't stand up for yourselves at all and think it's somehow a virtue and. In fact it's precisely this tactic how social justice nonsense took over much of the modern left.

>why are you voting for Hillary?

1) She isn't Trump
2) "More of the same" is better than Trump
3) She isn't Trump
4) She isn't Trump
5) She isn't a fascist like Trump is
6) She isn't a racist like Trump is
7) She isn't Trump

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All right, then, Australia. Tell me, what would you do in this situation?

I mean you, personally, not your country or whatever movement or subculture you identify with.

Vote for a third party? Not vote? Your move.

If I was you?

Publicly speak against her and the culture of the party, then announce to either vote for Bernie or Trump.

As a pretend US citizen?
Vote for Trump.

Then give middle fingers and smiles to all the false friends in the party as I leave from my last day at work because doormats quickly gang up on people and fold as a group when they're all told to fuck off.

I mean its 2016 duh

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It's a lot easier to take a "burn it all down" attitude when it's not your country and virtually everyone you know and care about who'll be affected if somebody completely unfit for the office is elected. It's also a lot easier to be cavalier about it when the person you elect isn't put in charge of the largest and most powerful military and second-largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in the world. And it's also a lot harder for a single voice or even a large group of them to make much of a difference when you're living in a country of 300 million people instead of a country of 20-some million (with a saner electoral system and less inertia preventing changes to the same.)

The thing is, I don't even completely disagree with you, we as the American electorate are basically responsible for the mess we're in right now, but our countries aren't remotely analogous and I think you know it.

Yeah as I thought, you'd rather keep your pay than your principles.

Keep eating shit then, I have nothing to say to you.

I'm not sure what that means or how that is even supposed to apply here, though I'm sure it was a pretty brutal put-down in your head.

You hate Clinton and despite that are agreeing to toe the line.

Fairly easy concept.

I've yet to hear a single reason to vote for Hilary that wasn't an overly-specific selfish reason. All immediate present-tense desires with blatant ignorance of the future. Not interested in change at all, for better or for worse.

Last Hilary nut I talked was just an over-emotional Pro-Planned Parenthood nut. I don't blame her for that and she probably thinks her daughter is all she has left in this world.

She didn't seem to care about anything else and was quick to attack me for clerical/grammatical half-thoughts since I refuse to pick a concrete stance on anything political.

Not an argument. If your reason for not picking someone is political party-related then you're a joke.

>all these shitty copypastas not even worth reply linking

Voting for Hilary is like voting for no future. Trump can provide a future with or without presidency.

Somehow you've managed to power through almost everything I said. It's not as simple as "hating Clinton"; I really wish it was. I really wish she was running against someone like Kasich, who, although I might not particularly like or agree with him, I don't feel is a serious threat to the country. But she's not. Who's worse, a candidate who is basically qualified but who's disrespected you and shown some willingness to subvert the democratic process, or a candidate who you feel is temperamentally unfit for the job and completely lacks the skillset to do it well? Does your answer change depending on how high the stakes are? How do you feel about protest votes? If you cast a protest vote are you partially responsible if an unqualified candidate wins? If they then have a disastrous presidency and people you love are personally affected, will it even matter to you whether you bear any "moral responsibility" when you see them suffering?

Those questions are not easy to answer! That's why they're called "ethical dilemmas." Yet again, I haven't said who I'm voting for, or even if I've decided yet. Instead I'm outlining the dilemmas facing the millions of people who dislike Clinton but have deep misgivings about Trump. If you were instantly able to answer all of those questions and feel that anybody who sees some complexity there and isn't instantly able to answer them is a "doormat" or a moral coward, then, well, you're probably pretty childish, and you're definitely an asshole.

The core point of your argument is simple.
It's "I don't like Hillary but will eat shit and vote for her anyway".

Everything after this is you fuffing around rationalizing aloud to yourself.

She is a fucking awful pick and her track record proves this, I wouldn't elect her for president the same reason I wouldn't let a guy drive me somewhere whose crashed the last 10 cars he's owned, despite showing he knows what driving is.

Your analogy is shit, man. Clinton's a reasonably competent driver who pulled some sketchy shit to get ahold of the car in the first place and will insult you the whole time you're in the passenger seat, but she's probably not going to get into an accident. Trump's the guy who's going to crash the car.

Or at least that's how a lot of people see it. It's fine if you think Trump would be a competent president, I don't give a shit, but that's how they see it. To argue against that, you'd need to convince them that Trump was actually a good candidate (or answer any of the questions I asked), not just keep repeating "you're voting for Hillary even though you don't like her!" as though they hadn't been wrestling with that fact for months.

What are you even trying to say, why are you even posting.

She's the first president to ever run while under investigation from the FBI and a conviction gets closer every day - she should already be in jail but as you already outlined, outright corruption keeps her out.

Outright corruption, this isn't "oh we didn't get around to it". It is flat out corruption.

Stop posting, you're wasting your own time.

I've been perfectly clear and you're being willfully obtuse, but you're right that this is a waste of time.

>"It's okay to be corrupt cause that's how the system works"

That's what I got from you.

>"HURR DURR she donated to charity"

AAWWWW THAT'S SCHO SCHWEEET

Pablo Escobar did too faggot wanna suck his cock too?

The goal of an election in this country is to serve the best interests of the people not be a shifty chameleon who throws money at all their scandals/ulterior motives and panders all the fucking time.

You're supposed to be manipulating your foes not your own people goddammit what's wrong with people.

Sweet post though!

>Clinton's a reasonably competent driver who pulled some sketchy shit to get ahold of the car

If you want to go with the driver analogy, yes, Hillary is a reasonably competent driver. Unfortunately, she has a habit of very regularly veering off the road and laughing maniacally as she runs pedestrians over. She's left a trail of corpses both at home and abroad during her time as a politician.
Personally, I won't forgive her for all of those serbs she had killed for no reason.

You're only perpetuating your denial of Hilary's qualifications.

She has had no notable career positives. She's a coaster who's quick to nay-say. She won't own up to her failures, only acknowledge them in light of amnesty.

Also Bill Clinton catalyzed the 2008 recession so fuck off pretending they're a "reasonably competent driver". They're shady/hypocritical as fuck, especially when it comes to accepting funding. Even their daughter tried to get with a hedgefund guy but dumped it after he wouldn't give up his fortune to her.

Bush wasn't any better. He was simply the opposite spectrum: a warmongering lackey.

How can you trust someone to govern a country when all they've ever done is live off inheritance and donations? Never cooperating amongst people outside a gated community.

It's a socialist fever-dream. Money out of thin air. Noone paying their dues. No consequences. No reality checks.

No point being sarcastic with him. She's a grade-a crazy bitch who doesn't know how to drive on a road inhabited by other people.

She quite literally cannot drive. She hasn't driven since 1996.

>Can someone here please explain to me the reason to vote for Trump? Nothing about him seems genuine and the way he begs for attention is a definite red flag

Explain to me why you think that Trump should not be president, when compared to Hillary.

All political candidates "beg" for attention moron, the ones who don't, don't get elected. That's how elections work, you idiot.

Grand opening, grand closing

>Jill is also a woman
>liberals are too fucking stupid to care

I love how you gloss over everything that's bad about her. Getting people killed and helping start an illegal wars are just "mistakes"? It's ok if her foundation is corrupt and takes dirty money cause it also helps a few children?

Voting for Hillary will help ensure a democratic majority and prevent Trump from taking the presidency.

Other than that, it's pretty bleak. If you really have to vote with your conscience, pick someone else from a lesser party or write a name in.

>Not an argument
I'm not him, but fuck off, what he said is a perfectly valid reason for voting for someone. Dumbass.

No it actually wasn't, newfag.

She seems like the sort of freak that has been obsessing over being the first woman president ever since her grandpa blew out her o-ring.

Absolutely disgusting.

Reasons to vote for Hillary

>Has vagina
>An ex-president once used that vagina

>She's fine, all politicians are crooked anyway
Delete your system32.dll.

I don't understand the mentality that a candidate must already be built into the political system to be viable. The United States has had a long history of presidents who were anything but career politicians. The mentality that politics is only for those who do it for a living is a recent phenomenon in the larger historical context.

What more, many of your criticisms of Trump are intangible fear mongering or emotional black mail. You make proxy threats that if one votes for Trump that person's loved ones and their countrymen will be hurt in some way. Could you please go into specific detail about which of Trump's policies will hurt Americans? I sure hope you're not talking about the illegals or the non-American Muslims.