The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun

The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.

Can we please stop pretending that the Second Amendment contains an unfettered right for everyone to buy a gun? It doesn’t, and it never has. The claims made by the small number of extremists, before and after the Orlando, Fla., massacre, are based on a deliberate lie.

The Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution doesn’t just say Congress shall not infringe the right to “keep and bear arms.” It specifically says that right exists in order to maintain “a well-regulated militia.” Even the late conservative Supreme Court Associate Justice Antonin Scalia admitted those words weren’t in there by accident. Oh, and the Constitution doesn’t just say a “militia.” It says a “well-regulated” militia.

What did the Founding Fathers mean by that? We don’t have to guess because they told us. In Federalist No. 29 of the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton explained at great length precisely what a “well-regulated militia” was, why the Founding Fathers thought we needed one, and why they wanted to protect it from being disarmed by the federal government.

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The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon.

A “well-regulated militia” didn’t mean guys who read Soldier of Fortune magazine running around in the woods with AK-47s and warpaint on their faces. It basically meant what today we call the National Guard.

It should be a properly constituted, ordered and drilled (“well-regulated”) military force, organized state by state, explained Hamilton. Each state militia should be a “select corps,” “well-trained” and able to perform all the “operations of an army.” The militia needed “uniformity in … organization and discipline,” wrote Hamilton, so that it could operate like a proper army “in camp and field,” and so that it could gain the “essential … degree of proficiency in military functions.” And although it was organized state by state, it needed to be under the explicit control of the national government. The “well-regulated militia” was under the command of the president. It was “the military arm” of the government.

The one big difference between this militia and a professional army? It shouldn’t be made up of full-time professional soldiers, said the Founding Fathers. Such soldiers could be used against the people as King George had used his mercenary Redcoats. Instead, the American republic should make up its military force from part-time volunteers drawn from regular citizens. Such men would be less likely to turn on the population.

And the creation of this “well-regulated militia,” aka the National Guard, would help safeguard the freedom of the new republic because it would make the creation of a professional, mercenary army “unnecessary,” wrote Hamilton. “This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it,” he wrote.

The Founding Fathers didn’t call the republic’s new force an “army” because that term more than two centuries ago called to mind the British army, foreign mercenaries, tyrants and kings. So they said “militia” instead. But they meant a real body. Hamilton was scathing about the idea that the “militia” could just mean every Bob, Billy and Benjamin with his musket. Such amateurs would stand no chance in modern warfare against professionals, he wrote. And requiring every citizen to become a professional would be ridiculous, he said. It would be “a real grievance to the people, and a serious public inconvenience and loss,” he wrote. Taking people away from their work in order to train them “would form an annual deduction from the productive labor of the country.”

The Second Amendment is an instrument of government. It’s not about hunting or gun collecting or carrying your pistol into the saloon. The Founding Fathers left it up to us to pass sensible laws about all these things. The Constitution is about government.

Today we have a professional army, anyway. Military matters have become so complex that no part-time soldiers could do it all. So you could argue that makes the Second Amendment null and void, like the parts in the Constitution about slaves and Indians being counted as “three-fifths” of a person in the Census.

But even if you still want to defend the Second Amendment, it should apply only to those who volunteer to join the “select corps” of their National Guard, undergo rigorous training to attain “proficiency in military functions” and perform the “operations of an army,” serve as ordered under the ultimate command of the president and be subject to military discipline.

So if you’re running around waving your AK-47 under the Second Amendment, and you haven’t shown up yet at your local National Guard headquarters, you’re not a “patriot.”

You’re a deserter.

>The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.

Correct, we already have that right.

The 2nd Amendment restricts the government from infringing on that right.

Now kindly fuck off.

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"Well regulated militia" does that ring the bell?

Read my argument above.

This OP BTFO , now go cry to your step-son while your "wife" schock on a black cock
cuck

You have a special kind of autism.

Omfg OP. You are so reckt. How will you ever recover?

>The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.
The Supreme Court (i.e. the only entity with the power to interpret the constitution) disagrees.

First real reply always best reply.

push your holocaust elsewhere

Alexander Hamilton was a central banking cocksucker

>The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.

It actually does, and no it doesnt say its there to maintain a militia, it says a militia is necessary, so everyones allowed to carry guns.

Bear means carry. You arent just guaranteed the right to own them, but the right to carry them around all you want, all the time, and that right shall not be infringed.

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Youre anti-american and the founding fathers would execute you for seditious speech.

Excuse me, sir, but are you a well-regulated militia?

What's that, you aren't? You aren't a militia, but an individual? A private person?

Then the 2nd cuckmendent does not apply to you.

Good day, sir.

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
Sage

>t. man who thinks we should trust our lives to the police but protests against the police because of their brutality

He was upset at seeing two men kiss, because his hardline islamic father ingrained his sick religious beliefs into his head from the time he was a baby.

Youre also not allowed to have a standing army, the one with tanks and jets etc, it gets "renewed" each year on its budget, the budget only carries it on for a year.. so its a "temporary" army, that you always have.

Thats not supposed to exist.

Youre supposed to just have the people, and their guns, and the government isnt supposed to have anything at all.

Oh look, another well-regulated militia chiming in.

Oh, you aren't a militia either?

Case closed.

>The 2nd Amendment restricts the government from infringing on that right.

the 2nd amendment does not give you the right to own arms, that right is god given and can only be removed if you are a giant dick sucking cuck

the amendment merely defines that god given right as a founding principle of the government

>Youre anti-american and the founding fathers would execute you for seditious speech.

I've had about enough of this, time to round up a posse, find a judge, it's marching time

Nope. The Amendment clearly states that because a militia is necessary, the PEOPLE'S right shall not be infringed. End of discussion.

You realize that a draft technically makes everyone a militia.

>You aren't a militia, but an individual? A private person?

What's so wrong with one man militias? Having a million one-man militias is no different than one million-man Militia.

all private persons are part of the militia, they are considered reserves

dc v. heller
mcdonald v. city of chicago

>hat right is god given and can only be removed

Yeah, I'm sure that upon the creation of the Earth, God paused and thought to himself "Hm, Amerifats totally should own guns so they can kill each other"

fpbp

>they are considered reserves

You misspelled "retards".

>the government isnt supposed to have anything at all.

they don't have anything, some rich prick in Europe owns a propaganda machine that unfortunately many people have become insnared in

Hamilton was a Rothschild agent and a traitor

Yes. Also so that we could slaughter a million of you cucks while walking through France.

Maybe if the German soldier actually knew how to fire a rifle you wouldn't all be half-Slav now.

You realize that a draft technically makes everyone a militia.

>You aren't a militia, but an individual? A private person?

What's so wrong with one man militias? Having a million one-man militias is no different than one million-man Militia.

Daily reminder to Sage

>german talking about american politics like his opinion matters at all
Wew :^)

>Also so that we could slaughter a million of you cucks while walking through France.

But not when you were walking though Vietnam.

Triggered? :^)

Germany eh?

didn't hitler kill all your retards? amazing you grew so many back so quickly, probably had to import them

>God paused and thought to himself

no more like every living thing is able and therefore has the natural right to self preservation

>A well regulated militia COMMA PAUSE being necessary to the security of a free state COMMA PAUSE - NEW IDEA - The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

>(It being understood that)A well run peoples army - being an integral component to the security of our countries independence - the right of the people to carry weapons - is not allowed to be prevented even in the smallest of ways (like taxes on guns which even trivially are a small block in the way and therefore illegal)

By US law every male between 17 and 45 is a militia member.

>Daily reminder to Sage

anybody have a gif of how to get rid of these people?

Hamilton was a fascist royalist scumbag. Aaron Burr was a fucking hero.

Luckily, Trump is meeting with the NRA to discuss gun control legislation.

Does Trump's opinion not matter either? :^)

>he needs instructions on things that a 12 yo girl from reddit could master on her own

lmao yeah that's the kind of guy I want to have guns

For having bothered to do all of this research, the author somehow missed an important point. The founding fathers were not a hive mind, this was a contested issue even in the day. To say that Hamiltons point of view should color how we read and understand the bill of rights is disingenuous and ignores the litany of other voices that laid the foundation of the documents

Shame the supreme Court disagrees with you. You 3000 characters of fake smart talk can't change that.

>Were all allowed to have and carry guns, so that we can form a peoples army(not run by the government)
>A well regulated army is necessary, so thats why we guarantee the right to own guns, so you can start one whenever you want and we will be safe

The government isnt allowed to regulate shit, and it doesnt give a right to have a regulated militia, it actually says that any power not strictly given to the federal government is for the people, the states to decide.

The right it guarantees is that the government can not touch guns.

>still not american
>still thinks his opinion matters on american politics
Wew :^)

>still not american

I'm sorry I'm not fat enough to be an American. If I promise to gain 500 lbs by tomorrow, will you make me an honorary American citizen? :^)

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sage this shitty slide thread

Can I be German if I grab a swastika?

"Right of the people" does that ring a bell?
Militia Act of 1903, does that ring a bell?

>Can I be German if I grab a swastika?

I've got one hidden in my pants :^)

A militia is a group of armed citizens who come together to fight against a threat. How does a militia form without armed citizens?

A militia /mᵻˈlJʃə/[1] generally is an army or other fighting unit that is composed of non-professional fighters, citizens of a nation or subjects of a state or government who can be called upon to enter a combat situation, as opposed to a professional force of regular, full-time military personnel.

>I'm sorry I'm not fat enough to be an American. If I promise to gain 500 lbs by tomorrow, will you make me an honorary American citizen? :^)

Can I put on a burka and become German?

>It basically meant what today we call the National Guard.
Your whole argument is based on a emotional response because logically this doesn't correlate with a militia of that time as the militia of those times were minutemen (see: general colonists). You are supposed to be collectivists living separately keeping each other alive and at bay at the same time. Of course we have left that realm and entered pure joke insanity realm but lol lets just keep letting that nonsense slip into my asshole

I know your jelly of not being american and you express it through anger via the internet but it aint healthy pal. Get help senpai.

When you legally immigrate to america which you're welcome to then i will consider you american and able to talk about and have an opinion that matters about american politics.

That's a nice wall of text you've got there user. Might even be a lot of truth in it.
Sadly, it’s all irrelevant to the point you want to make.
Whether or not a militia is a standing military force that reports to the government is inconsequential to the right to keep/bear arms.
The “militia” clause gives a *reason*, not a *condition*.
Grammatically, this has been demonstrated plenty of times.
Here’s a grammatically equivalent sentence:
“A well read Electorate, being necessary to the education of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read Books, shall not be infringed.”
Now, if this were the law, should you have to vote in order to keep/read books? Is that the condition for your right?
No, it’s a reason behind the right. An argument in support of the right that YOU ALREADY HAVE.

Here’s another one, if it isn’t clear yet:
“A well balanced Breakfast, being necessary to the start of a good day, the right of the people to purchase and eat Eggs, shall not be infringed.”
See the difference? You would be able to eat eggs AT ANY TIME OF THE DAY. Not just for breakfast.

There is a natural flaw in this response, who is to provide arms to a militia if the government has become tyrannical in nature.

The whole entire concept is that each person is to be armed and if the need arises for a well regulated militia to be formed they can come bearing the arms that they own.

This ensure that at any time that if a government is sliding into a tyranny the people can rise up, for a militia and overthrow the government if so required.

Definition of a militia:
>a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency.

This means that if a tyrannical government is in place and only a small portion of the military is able to stand up to them, they can put out a call for able bodied men and women to join them, now if they come bearing their own guns it makes it easier on the forces fighting against tyranny as these men and women will know the basic on how to look after their guns, know the basics to shoot at targets and soforth, meaning they are able to be put into action quickly and easily.

This is why those important words are attached to the end of the second amendment, SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED UPON, the founding fathers inherently knew that the only way to save a state from a corrupt and tyrannical government was for its people to rise up and overthrow it if necessary.

By having your population armed already it gives pause to potential dictators and other tyrants because they inherently know that if they go ahead with it they have to fight against a population that is armed. Remember, an ounce of prevention is worth more than a tonne of cure, what would you prefer, to live under the iron fist of a ruler in which you can not strike back or in a society that is kept in check because those said tyrants can not gain power without causing so much bloodshed it would effectively mean ruling over a country of corpses.

I hate the way the capitalize "dare" as if they're threatening. What the fuck are they going to do? I wish it could finally come to violence so these fucking fags would have to back up their big words.

>Can I put on a burka

You should for purely aesthetic reasons, you ugly fuck :^)

>your jelly

lmao American education

go fuck yourself shilling cunt

>not american
>thinking their opinion on american education matters
:^)

>The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.

yes it does

>a military force that is raised from the civil population

But that's exactly the point, as gun nuts are anything but civil, they're deeply UNCIVIL.

It follows that the 2nd amendment actually only applies to liberals as they form the only thing that's civil about the American population.

Conclusions: ban the right-wing from owning guns and give them to liberals only.

Germany can't 100% into English: The post

>Americans bitching about language skils

We're through the looking glass here, people!

lmao

>Conclusions: ban the right-wing from owning guns and give them to liberals only.

lol you just lost it m8

You jest, but it's the ONLY logical conclusion.

Sorry Hans, or is it muhammed, I forgot your brains get scrambled from being under Merkels oppressive regime and you have forgotten what actual, true freedom looks like.

BTW does Merkels shed have good wifi?

>not american
>still thinking his opinion matters about american politics
:^)

...he said, with copious amounts of abo cum on his breath.

literally lmao

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The second amendment also doesn't establish militias to protect the free states, it established the necessity of militias to secure a free State.

Now what sort of "State" could our enlightenment-period founders be discussing? The State of the Union? No. The Federal State? No. How about the Natural State that we all seek to achieve as free and independent individuals? Maybe? Perhaps? Possibly?

Vietnamese were armed. Sort of proves my point.

Poor Eternal German, doesn't even have an argument. Thankfully your race will be extinct soon and we won't have to listen to you anymore.

Our Vietnam K/D ratio would like to have a word with you.

>Vietnamese were armed.

With sticks lmao

hahaha try harder m8 (unless you already are), your a terrible shill, face it

Germany dont be so mad just because you can't own guns like in America. You can bitch all you want you aint changing shit. More people die from being fat then from "assault rifles". Also shouldn't we america ban knives too then? Knives kill waaay more then guns ever do.

>try harder unless you're trying harder

lmao Auscuck logic

>Basing your interpretation on the ideas of someone who was opposed to the law.
>Not an idiot

Pick one OP and go back to preping the bull.

Anyway all adult males 18-45 are militia by way of selective service and the Militia acts and soon women in that same age group will aswell.

A key thing you 1st clause assholes forget is that by your interpretation military hardware, such as automatic weapons, armoured vehichles, explosive ordinance and nuclear weaponery, should be in the hands of militiamen (in the aforementioned group) by your own logic.

If the Second Amendment only provides for a "well-regulated militia", then the First Amendment only protects Christianity. Time to control Islam.

Go back to Tumblr, cuck.

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>The second amendment doesn't give you the right to own a gun

Correct, nothing gives me the right to own a gun, it is inherent. The second amendment does, however, instruct the government to not infringe on that right inherent to all people.

The rest of your post is undoubtedly complete nonsense so I won't bother reading it.

Mate, I would rather be semi cucked like Captain Sweden then to be fully cucked like you, imagine going from being a well respected nation to literally the Mexico of Europe.

You are full of shitskins who are literally wiping away your country day by day and you sit by just watching it with a smile on your face enforced by Merkels ministry of truth.

Dumping on this thread.

lmao, can you even read properly?

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>It specifically says that right exists in order to maintain “a well-regulated militia.”

no it doesn't.

It specifically says your right to own guns SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

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SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

A militia is a group of armed cititzens called to protect a town, state, etc.

Why is the family unit so important in America? Why do fathers train their sons and daughters to shoot? Because the family unit is a well regulated militia.

Every US citizen is in the militia, this is how America was founded.

Keep your hands off my guns you low test, spineless, boot licking communist cuckold.

This on gun grabbers

Damn son, rekt.

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And thus we have the Bolshevik mindset, people.

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>The Second Amendment doesn’t give you the right to own a gun.

You're right. The constitution doesn't *give* people rights. It acknowledges that people innately have certain rights, such as the right to bear arms. The second amendment states that the government cannot infringe on the right that you have by default. That's why they're called "god-given rights"

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