I had a grim epiphany of sorts today while reading an educationrealist article. It's here, if you care to look

I had a grim epiphany of sorts today while reading an educationrealist article. It's here, if you care to look.

educationrealist.wordpress.com/2016/06/16/citizens-not-americans/

In it, the author states that Omar Mateen, while an American citizen, was not an American, namely because he did not aspire to the qualities that we usually consider prerequisites to being an American. The United States, being without a native geographical claim or clear ethnic majority, is a proposition nation, and the author states that because Mateen did not subscribe to the basic American proposition, he did not belong in this country, nor can real Americans be blamed for his actions.

These are all points without controversy, at least on this board, and I agree fully with them. What troubles me is that our position has a disturbing lack of permanency.

When Muslim refugees invade Germany, for example, Germans can say, this is our home. That is to say, most people living in Germany have Germanic roots; their lineage traces back to the area we know as Germany since prehistory. Most Old World nations are similar. The US is different. I am of Irish, Scotch (interestingly, not Scotch-Irish) and British lineage. While my family has lived in this particular area of the US for hundreds of years, predating the US itself, we are obviously not native to this land. However, if I can be forward, we are model citizens of this proposition nation: self-sufficient, patriotic, individualist, etc.

The default position of many people on this board, including myself, is that the average German has as much right to claim Germany as I and my family would America. Perhaps the infestation of r-strategists in the Western world would object to both. And therein lies the problem: one is based on concrete history, while the other is based on a malleable concept.

(to be continued)

(also, pic unrelated, though if you knew of other photos in this set you'd make me a very happy man)

I have also arrived at this conclusion. Like the Jew who glibly announced that Sweden had no culture, leftists think that beong a proposition state means nothing. It actually places much greater emphasis on negative rights and English common law tradition. Mexico, blasted and conquered by Chinese or Martians, is still Mexico. No one who rejects free speech, firearm ownership, property rights, or your-home-your-castle can call himself an American.

If one goes back far enough in time, all nations are based on this nebulous concept of a 'proposition': England, Alfred the Great; Germany, as a state, Bismarck. Every country has this sense of 'belonging' that you talk about, it's not an American thing.

Also,
> Scotch and British lineage
Scotland is in Britain, mate.

>namely because he did not aspire to the qualities that we usually consider prerequisites to being an American.

This is a highly left wing concept
civic nationalism is not real nationalism

>The US is different.
The US is white, Omar Mateen is not white.

This is just the difference between a state and a nation.

You can hold citizenship to a state and not be a part of the nation.

No they're not. They are based on race.
England = Land of the Angles (or Engles).

tl;dr
But her eyes look shooped

Don't you know about all the guats and flips that died for the revolution goy? We've always been a melting point and not a protestant northwest european people you bigot!

>The default position of many people on this board, including myself, is that the average German has as much right to claim Germany as I and my family would America. Perhaps the infestation of r-strategists in the Western world would object to both. And therein lies the problem: one is based on concrete history, while the other is based on a malleable concept.

Believe it or not, Germans ultimately come from elsewhere. They've just been in what's now Germany longer than Europeans have been in America.

The malleable concept of an American wasn't always so malleable; our Founders specifically created a nation of white citizens, for their posterity.

That salad wrap looks expired

It occurs to me that if America is, in fact, a proposition nation, there is nothing that prevents that proposition from changing, perhaps to the point where it is wholly unrecognizable from the original. Of course, the American canon paints a detailed picture of what it means to be American. However, where is this inscribed into law? Even the Constitution, at one time furthering the American proposition, is disregarded by Supreme Court justices and regarded with contempt by the r-strategists among us.

What makes a nation? Geography? Only tangentially. Before the wonders of the modern age, entire generations of people lived and died a stone's throw apart. We cannot rely on that alone. Ethnicity? England is for the English, Germany is for the German, even the most fervent r-strategist cannot change history. But Americans, even white, Protestant Americans of European descent, the group simultaneously revered and reviled as the founding members of this country, are not homogeneous. Scotch-Irish in the South, Scandinavians in the far north, Germans in the Midwest. Dutch, English, French, even. My wife is Polish and English. Will a pan-European heritage hold? Many European-Americans think not, in fact, they strive to erase their own history in favor of savages from other continents.

All we have is our idea. And half the nation, those who inherited the product of their forefathers' blood, sweat, and tears, reject that idea and wish to replace it with... what? That America is a land for economic opportunists who treat the populace as a living ATM? That anyone with a pulse has a natural right to the fruits of our labor? That those whose very existence within our borders threatens the stability and long-term viability of the entire country? And worse yet, they know this, and wish for it to happen, treating the savages like Solomon pulling the temple down upon himself.

But what do we have to stop them? How is our proposition permanent?

(cont, again)

Those are all territories with an ethny.

i don't know why you're worried. the concept of a proposition nation itself relies only on the spread of ideas, and ideas are both viral and virulent -- highly infectious. the right ideas spread faster and hotter than people and niggers can physically breed.

Yes you degenerate mongrels got fucked in the ass by islam. You deserve all of it.

>Will a pan-European heritage hold?

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all be devoured by brown cannibals separately.

There's premises you have blindly accepted.

America was founded by white colonists for white colonists.

The jew has completely meddled with our sovereignty.

One of the few things I agree with what you said is Omar was never an American. Every non white in the US right now has no birth right to our nation. Omar should not have had the privilege of a 2nd ammendment and his family should have never been allowed to live here or become a citizen in the first place under the insidious cause of humanitarianism.

In my eyes every non European citizen here is illegitimate and I will cherish the day we take back our own country when they are all quarantined and deported.

To me, multicultural societies will continue to degrade and technology well keep growing stronger. While information and manufacturing continue to get cheaper, food, land and other space limited resources will not. Demand for "dumb" labor will continue to fall, even in the developing world due to re-shoring of manufacturing to cheap-energy-high-skill workforce locales. The fruits of this system will flow to populations with high instances of top quartile IQ's, as they are most able to design, maintain and implement such systems.

I think its pretty obvious that this system will benefit whites and east-asians more than any other population. Whichever subgroup in this category resists the unsustainable subsidizing of low IQ populations will ultimately inherit the world from the rest of humanity, which is unconsciously destroying itself in slow motion. Being able to keep out the hungry masses incapable of sustaining civilization is also going to be a huge advantage.

Fact of the matter is: advanced medicine, manufacturing, civil society, computer technology, etc, are not possible without cooperation on a large scale combined with a healthy degree of individual liberty.

If we consider nations out that that are most likely able to move forward in this scenario, at the top is going to be Japan. Australia and New Zealand could be candidates, but they are currently shitting the bed with immigration policy. The best hope for people of european decent is a new ethinc only-nation carved out after a civil war scenario, or possibly consolidation in eastern Europe.

My epiphany is that America is inherently unsustainable. Europe has a federation of nations with distinct ethnicities and geographies, at least for now. We do not. Other nations around the world have a homogenous population, who have shared a culture for generations upon generations. We do not. We have nothing but the idea of what it means to be American, an idea that as we speak is being distorted beyond recognition by r-strategists drunk on the spirits of free resources and negligible threats. And we have no real, tangible basis to refute their corruption, only the powers of rhetoric.

Balkanization is inevitable. In many ways, we would be better off for it. The Scotch-Irish in Appalachia, with their shared heritage, lineage, culture, geography, they deserve their own nation. Same for the Scandinavians of the Upper Midwest, the Germans of the breadbasket. What else are we to do? There are more Irish in America than in Ireland, more English than England, more Germans than Germany. Our homelands could not support our repatriation. We cannot allow the coastal cosmopolises to overwhelm us any more, as they are now, every minute further diluting our country with savages beyond recognition. What efforts will it take to return them? How much blood, our blood, will be spilled undoing what was so easily done?

I want unity. We settled this continent with a divine directive, took a land of resources and built a superpower with infrastructure to a scale never before seen on this planet. Yet in our hubris we assumed a permanency for our proposition that did not exist, and in our efforts to secure prosperity for all we planted the seeds of r-selection that now threaten to undo it all. Yet unity, continued unity, is impossible.

A rock and a hard place. Either we separate and relinquish our shared power, we drown in the mediocrity of imported savages, or we return to the ways of our K-selected ancestors through complete social and economic collapse.

Being a woman (which I'm not), I would say ; sexy woman >> sexy message

bamping this thread, as 90% of everything else on Sup Forums is shit right now.

The way things look now we are going to drown in the mediocrity of not only imported savages, but the savages we are educating, look at what happened to zimbabwe, I fear that is our future socially. Politically I see us as a illberal democracy in the future where the media is controlled mostly by one party which is pretty much the case at the moment. Dark Times my friends

the irony of it is that america has had the most stable economy in the history of all european countries

>Scotland is in Britain, mate.

You know what I meant.

>If one goes back far enough in time, all nations are based on this nebulous concept of a 'proposition': England, Alfred the Great; Germany, as a state, Bismarck. Every country has this sense of 'belonging' that you talk about, it's not an American thing.

I disagree. England has a bond not present in the whole of America. Prior to your current invasion, the last one took place several centuries ago. Given the level of interaction over the generations between the British Isles--English, Irish, Scotch, Welsh, Manx, etc.--I would bet that my mongrel DNA is not that much different than the average Brit.

Yet, if your philosophy divides you, you can still say, Britain is for the British. This socialist Brit is as British as this libertarian Brit, this r-selected Brit is (regrettably) as British as this K-selected Brit. All I have is the grade-school spiel about how my ancestors came here in search of a better life through hard work, blah, blah, blah. It's true, yes, but if the American dream becomes one of rent-seeking and resource-draining, as it is currently heading, what do I have then? I'm just another person in a strange land with an alien culture, yet I've moved nowhere, nor has my family in over two hundred years.

>Every non white in the US right now has no birth right to our nation
not even descendants of blacks born into slavery?
What gave Italians the right to immigrate? They brought their own organized crime into the cities.

>Italians

At least a couple of our Founders had Italian ancestry. Coupling that with their idea (made law) that only white people could become American citizens, I think it's pretty clear...

The founding fathers with some Italian blood were vastly different people compared to the italian migrants of the early 20th century
My point being that those whites were not exactly the ideal citizens...

Looking at this photo makes me sad I am not a female. Why am I here.

>The founding fathers with some Italian blood were vastly different people compared to the italian migrants of the early 20th century

That's...something I can't argue against. Fair enough.

Who is this testicle receptacle?

>Believe it or not, Germans ultimately come from elsewhere. They've just been in what's now Germany longer than Europeans have been in America.

All humans came from somewhere else, if you subscribe to the out-of-Africa theory (Neanderthal admixture notwithstanding). My point is that most nations consist of a ethnicity linked to a geography that predates not just the formal nation but the concept of nationalism, or even the proto-nationalist feudalism of the Middle Ages. Even Mexico, among other Latin American nations, retains such a large proportion of indigenous genetics to make a case for the current countries being an extension of the pre-Columbian empires.

>The malleable concept of an American wasn't always so malleable; our Founders specifically created a nation of white citizens, for their posterity.

If I can fault them, it's that they did not realize the dangers of r/K-selection. How could they? At the time, and for generations afterward, America was a place where you worked to secure your own survival, or you perished. It was easy then to assume that such a place would continue to be settled by the pioneers who created it. Now, one industrial revolution later, the very whites who have forgotten the tribulations of their fathers work to destroy it under the guise of free resources for all.

>Scotch-Irish
ethnicity made up by the Orange Order so they can pretend to be British instead of Irish

this pic is my fetish
I still need tro try this one out, wrapping a girl in ceran just seens hella kinky to me, much better than just handcuffs or the like

>mental gymnastic general
not this shit again, enjoy your full automatic assault riffle ban the sooner you get over it the better

I think the response is to dedicate yourself TO family. The best you can do as an individual, is to select a good mate, have 3-6 children, and make sure they are brought up right. Rinse and repeat.

Get fit, learn some useful skills (if you cant change your own oil, basically kill yourself), move if you need to. There is a future out there if you are the one making it.

>i don't know why you're worried. the concept of a proposition nation itself relies only on the spread of ideas, and ideas are both viral and virulent -- highly infectious. the right ideas spread faster and hotter than people and niggers can physically breed.

The question is whether the ideas spreading are compatible with the continued existence of the nation. The current state of (((social media))) says otherwise.

As I said, we have three identically-unappealing options: (a) balkanize and relinquish our (admittedly dwindling) hyperpower status; (b) allow the r-selected among us to slowly drain us of our national vitality by flooding us with apathetic foreigners; or (c) purge the traitors, as well as the unlucky K-strategists, through economic and social collapse.

None of this was necessary, but increasingly it seems so now. Perhaps the scales will tip back in time.

Think of it this way, the collapse of all nations participating in multiculturalism will last as proof, for at least a few centuries, to the following ethno-states to stay the course.

Actually, the far great threat is for an ideology such as islam taking hold of populations that are capable of self sufficiency, leading to North Korean-tier societies.

>There's premises you have blindly accepted.

I wouldn't say I've blindly accepted them so much as come to terms with their inevitability. I agree that the white settlers who built this nation should own it, the immigrants who only wish to leech off our wealth should be invited here only so long as we have a use for them and they cause us no harm. But we've done this to ourselves. It wasn't the (((chosen))), it was whites who forgot what it takes to survive.

>In my eyes every non European citizen here is illegitimate and I will cherish the day we take back our own country when they are all quarantined and deported.

Maybe it will happen, maybe it's too late. Either way it will cause us more trouble than it should ever have.