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tbt to when whirr btfo'd some shitty trans punk band on twitter

If you need a picture to even state your point, it's probably wrong.

source? lol

Name ONE trans Shoegaze musician
Protip: You fucking well can't

those fuckers haven't tweeted shit since 2015

RIP

So since being trans was pretty much normalized last year, what's going to be normalized this year? Pedophilia is my guess.

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Do I seriously share a board with someone as dumbfuck as you lmao. I can't tell if you're trolling because 5 billion nomrie dumbasses would say that.

oh no they're living their one life how they want to instead of feeling like they have to just sit and take it and be punished till they die cos that's what their fat dads did

pedos are currently trying to

where

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>So since being trans was pretty much normalized last year
i still have yet to see a tranny in real life

is this bait?

Why is it anathema to raise issues about gay marriage when it is ok to have all sorts of discriminations against all sorts of categories?

I we have to expand the definition of marriage, why only expand it to homosexuals? Why is marriage limited to two people? why can't i marry six women at the same time? why can't you have marriage between two men and three women? Polygamy has been pervasive in ancient times, and it is among most mammal species. It is perfectly legal to be a single mother or single father, but it is not legal to have a marriage among three people. Abraham, considered a prophet by Jews, Christians and Muslims alike, had three wives (Sarah, Hagar and Keturah): was he a criminal? The Bible is full of cases of polygamy and never refers to them as amoral. Mohammed, the founder of Islam, had five wives.

Why are there age limits? why is it illegal to marry a 12-year old? Helen of Troy was 12. Juliet and Cleopatra were still teenagers when they became famous. Most heroines of classic novels and poems were underage by today's laws. Thomas Edison married a 16-year-old. Medical studies show that the best age for a woman to have children is between 15 and 25 (lowest chances of miscarriage, of birth defects and, last but not least, of the woman dying while giving birth); while the worst age is after the mid 30s. And the younger you are, the more likely you are to cement a real friendship with your children; the older you are, the more likely that the "generational gap" will hurt your children's psychology. Therefore it is much more natural to have a child at 16 than at 40. In countless countries of the world women have their first child at a very young age, and stop having children at a relatively young age.

Nonetheless, in the USA it is illegal to have sex before 18 (but, note, only if the partner is over 18, which is like saying that it is ok to rob a bank if you are a banker), while it is perfectly legal to get pregnant at 40 or (thanks to medical progress) even at 70.

Note that all of these forms of marriage were common in ancient times before the introduction of Christian "morality" (Islam, which came after Christianity, still allows them). Therefore one could find stronger arguments in favor of these forms of marriage than in favor of homosexual marriage (which has been relatively rare throughout the centuries and is persecuted in just about every society of the world).

Today incest is illegal, but it was common in ancient times (all kings and queens of Egypt married their siblings or mothers): why is it illegal for two siblings to get married and why does incest disqualify a couple from adopting children?

And, if we expand the definition of marriage to all of these categories, what rights do we give them? For example, to me it looks much more natural for a group of two men and three women to raise children (as it was in most ancestral societies) than for a same-sex couple to do so (something for which i find no precedents in ancestral societies). A family without a man or without a woman goes against biology, and probably has psychological consequences for which the entire society will have to pay.

gays gave us pet shop boys, arthur russell, etc
what have trannies ever contributed to music

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Normalization of pedophilia is already underway, but it's not going down how you might expect - it will be at the demand of children.

Prostitution is still illegal in most countries of the world, even though today it is normal for a woman to have sex with many men: why is it illegal to do it for money but legal to do it for fun? A secretary can sleep with her or his boss and a college student can sleep with her or his professor, but a prostitute cannot sleep with a customer for money: why? Paying dinner on a date is ok, and marrying someone for his income is not only ok but advised by your parents. A former prostitute is disqualified from ever adopting children, wbereas a woman or man who has had many sexual partners is considered perfectly fit to adopt children: why?
Circumcision (which is, ultimately, a form of genital mutilation) is not only legal in the USA, but routinely performed in all hospitals.

Bottom line: there are many more unnatural and unreasonable laws today than the laws against homosexual marriage: why focus only on homosexual marriage and leave all the other restrictions on sex and marriage in place?

The argument that i keep hearing is that there are many same-sex couples who are better parents than straight couples. I have no problem believing it (and personally know two of them). But what makes you think that a family with two men and three women wouldn't be good parents of their children? Or that a 15-year old mother married to a 50-year old man wouldn't be a better parent than a 35-year old mother married to a 26-year old man? Or that a prostitute wouldn't be a better mother than a business woman? Or that parents who are siblings are more likely to have abnormal children than women in their 40s? All of these are pure prejudices.

pedophilia will never be normalized

Wendy Carlos
There will never be a more important trans musician

It's already happening. Gays/trannies are pushing literal children to become/accept "drag queens" (which is inherently sexual/fetishistic).

Wendy Carlos
That one Jethro Tull members
The string arrangements on Scott Walker's albums

Me, a cis™ gay male listening to MBV while reading this thread

*sighs*

the heteros are at it again

were you born from a tube

shoegaze

gays in love: skinny, gorgeous, groundbreaking, part of gods plan

straights in love: disgusting, dark sided, taking up entire sidewalk, ruined vine references

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Would still fug this qt even if trap

Shoo, gays

I work soon so can't read that all but dude, raising awareness to one problem doesn't mean you're devaluing the others. That mentality is bullshit and 'wahh my problems are worse'-tier
Caring about some people having a good life doesn't mean you're saying fuck you to the rest.
In due time for everything.
Polygamy is probably because tax issues and shit like that, not love or nonacceptance, but sure, I agree.

Trans matter.

It's a Scaruffi article, so it's basically just copypasta
Still though, why CAN'T I marry a 12 year old?

reminder somewhere around half of the people who transition end up committing suicide. there's also the phantom pain

>many people that have an extremely strong mental illness end up committing suicide
really takes the dog for a walk

It's really not, and if you fetishize trans cultlure you're the problem.
For most, including myself, it has jackshit to do with what's in between your legs. You're literally so narrowminded it hurts.

Good old reminder why boys are so disgusting.

they want to get fucked up the ass but its not acceptable within society or so they think so if they become girls they will be accepted

god damnit scaruffi.

t. incredibly repressed gay man

fuck off out of LGB, we don't want you

>and if you fetishize trans cultlure you're the problem.
...where did it indicate I did? Do you actually think I'm the one sexualizing drag queen "culture" and not the people who do it?
>For most, including myself, it has jackshit to do with what's in between your legs.
What has jackshit do do with what's in between your legs? Attraction? ...okay?
>Good old reminder why boys are so disgusting.
Boys who turn their dicks inside out and get fake breasts are pretty disgusting.

Taking hormones and changing sex is actually a really dangerous operation, its fucks up with your brain and mental state, since you are an adult going through a second puberty. Doctors only do it just to get money off of those people, not many of them will live very long in my opinion.

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>LGB
fuck off TERF

don't like 50% of them kill themselves anyways?
You know, I feel we should threat transgender people as mentally ill and get them to accept themselves rather than making them believe mutilating their genitals will make them happy

I don't know if it's that high, but it's certainly much higher than average. Obviously the question is, is the reason for that because of mental issues related to being trans, mental issues arising from the operation, or that its down to being excluded or mistreated for being that way?

I really thought Sup Forums wasn't old people on fb but Idk. I just don't get why you care. I used to be the same way dude, I happened to end up realizing my own dysphoria and that's when it clicked but like really it really does not matter and

Well, most of these people take these decisions early in their life, (early 20's, basically still a retarded teen nowadays) and I remember seeing some posts on hormone blockers becoming legal to use before the age of 12.
I believe being trans is the ultimate shitty tattoo
It wasen't a good idea, you were stupid while you decided to do it, and now you have to live with it until you die, except that you can cover a shitty tatto with something more respectable, but you can't turn your dick inside out again.

The suicide rate of transgender people is much higher pre-transition than post-transition. Proper transitioning really is the best way to help.

It is possible to de-transition, consider the fact that most transpeople are on HRT for a long time before they do any kind of reconstructive surgery. The rate of transition to detransition is extremely low, indicating that very few (almost zero) regret their choice, and feel better off post-transition.

this

I wasen't talking about Hormones, I'm talking about the surgery.
See pic related, I know it's plebbit but it's still something worth a read

And this sounds like a total bail-and-motte argument, but the fact is that most people who regret transition tend to not have been transgender in the first place, and many acknowledge this after the fact. This is why serious examinations is important before doing any non-revertible treatments.The redit post also seems to suggest part of the regret comes from the botched surgery, not just a regret in transitioning.

And again, the rate of regret after transitioning is extremely low. The vast, vast majority of transgender people feel their dysphoria being alleviated and experience a generally higher quality of life post-transition, again indicating that it is the best treatment option.

this part doesn't show what happened next. as recovered from the surgery (takes a while) she got happier and deleted her account to not give your type more fuel

Proof?

>but the fact is that most people who regret transition tend to not have been transgender in the first place
And that's the thing, this is the ultimate shitty tattoo.

its seems like electgronic club musics and even avant garde electronic musics tend to have higher rates of trans people. i feel like psychic tv kindve helped mold a scene for queer people in industrial and noise music.

lately in rock and punk a few artists have broken out.

Don't think I'm trying to catch you out on this because it's a genuine question, but would you say the same for other people who feel a physical dysphoria, such as believing they are the wrong race for example? Asking for a friend.

When will dog fuckers get the same treatment as trans people?

Drag queens aren't sexual at all. If it is then children shouldn't be allowed to watch Pantomimes either since it basically invented drag. It has nothing to do with sex, sexuality or gender and everything to do with entertainment.

Drag queens aren't necessarily trans or even gay for that matter. They're just guys who like putting on a show.

I appreciate the fact that you completely ignored the rest of the post.

So okay, ponder that we now consider transgenderism to be a mental disease. What now? What's the next step? What do we do about it? Do you think putting people in rooms to watch anti-trans films all day will help them? Do you think putting them in therapy to convert them to cis will help? Conversion camps for gay people certainly haven't ever helped, so I think you're shit out of luck with that. It doesn't matter what you consider transgender people -- the fact remains that as of right now, transitioning and social acceptance are by far the most effective treatment methods to help transgender people.

I think transracialism (for lack of a better word), isn't common enough to have been studied extensively, and there aren't really enough treatments tested to see what works and what doesn't. So far in my education we haven't discussed the topic at all, and as far as I'm aware there might not even be any publications on it at all.

As soon as they start advocating for their rights on tumblr and college campuses.

I wish trannies didn’t have internet connection. Everything would improve tenfold.

Did a few searches on PsycINFO for trans race and any related terms I could figure, but only found a single peer reviewed article which discussed it only in a defence for the concept in comparison to trans gender. No articles discussing treatment methods, mechanisms for trans racialism, or anything like that.

I think it's simply all too rare an occurrence for anything remotely resembling a consensus or even informed opinion on treatment methods to exist.

Alright, I see where you're going, the point I was trying to make wasen't clear enough, people are impulsive, especially in modern days, that's why I quoted you on
>but the fact is that most people who regret transition tend to not have been transgender in the first place
I say that we should try to get people with gender dysphoria to see better in themselves and accept who they are before they do or try anything retarded.
Is that better?

>I say that we should try to get people with gender dysphoria to see better in themselves and accept who they are before they do or try anything retarded.
>Is that better?
You're still ignoring the fact that the vast, vast majority of people going through transitioning do not regret the fact. If it were a large proportion, I would agree, we should look for better treatment options, but that's simply not the case. There might be one in a thousand people who were "impulsive" and made a life-changing choice they regretted, but that still means 999 other people got the treatment they needed to feel better, and if people stopped questioning the entire concept of their identity (like you and other people in this thread are doing), they would most likely feel even better.

>There are people in this thread that are willingly talking to a tranny
Dude why? They kill themselves off faster if you just let them be lonely.

its also safer to conceive a child at a time in your life when youre not only financially stable enough to raise one but mature enough to prioritize it above your own social life. You should also take into account the age of the male partner since any guy above 25 trying to fuck someone less than 15 most likely has bad intentions and isn't doing it for the sake of not having a miscarriage. Thomas Edison was also a thief/ripoff artist so i wouldn't put paedofilia under him so easily.

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lmao that's fucking retarded

news flash: the term “trap” in regards to a person’s gender has only ever been used to fetishize and dehumanize trans women, and play into the disgusting idea that trans women are secretly men trying to trick cis men, a mindset that contributes to real life violence, and to try and dismiss a character’s portrayal as not being transphobic because “they’re not trans, they’re a trap” is uninformed at best and actively malevolent at worst so shut the fuck up

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I don't give a fuck about these people, they're just mentally ill sex perverts. As long as you don't push it on kids, do whatever the fuck you want. I don't want any part of it or to associate with you, but you're free to be whatever you want.

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tbf, they said they didn't post it it was one of their dickhead mates, and being as this is pretty much the stupidest thing you can post if you're an indie band in [current period] I'm inclined to believe that

remember when they used to use trannies and dudes dressed as women as comic relief now we have to act like it's perfectly normal

All true.

The word "tranny" is also considered derogatory when used to refer to transgender people (as distinguished from transvestites, which is a different thing entirely and is generally okay to call trannies).

are trannies mentally ill? like do they see themselves that way or is it just normal for them?

it's in the DSM right?

uhh why cant kids be exposed to the reality of diferrent genders??? you wanna keep em in the dark forever B? you scared they gonna be trans and realize their true self and you wont be able to suppress their true desires with your heteronormativity? fuck. you. i knew i was trans when i turned 9 years old. i always wanted to be a girl wear pretty dresses and kiss cute boys. i! am! a! girl! and! always! knew! protect trans kids and kys reactionary

You are literally pulling shit out of your ass. Everyone knows that trans people are more likely to commit suicide than nontrans people. I guarantee you also believe that blacks don't commit more crimes than any other race and that asians don't have higher IQs on average. This is common knowledge and deep down you know you're being dishonest with yourself.

Yeah it's called gender dysphoria

Do you even have to ask if they're mentally ill? No shit. You see some of these people, vast majority obviously don't pass as women and are clearly distressed in some way.

what the fuck difference is there between a transgender and a transvestite

gtfo reactionary!
imma school yr ass rn tho
transvestite is someone who likes dressing up, playing drag, womens clothing, etc to have fun. they dont identify as a woman.

transgenders have female brain and were born women in the wrong bodies and are women assigned a different sex. i am one! ama for more info if u want enlightment and arent gonna be a dick
kys racist
kys fucking imbecile

No, transsexualism is not in DSM anymore. It used to be, as gender identity disorder, but it has been removed in favour of gender dysphoria (which solely refers to the negative emotions related to gender/sex incongruence, rather than the incongruence itself). I'm not up to date with the changes in ICD-11; transsexualism was a diagnosis in ICD-10.

I never said transgender people do not commit suicide more often than cispeople. You either lack reading comprehension or are completely retarded (most likely the latter). What I said is that trans people have a much lower rate of suicide post transition than pre transition, indicating that transitioning is helping.

Transgender people experience an incongruence between their perceived gender and their biological sex, something which causes distress. This is gender dysphoria. Transvestites do not experience gender dysphoria, but enjoy dressing up as the opposite gender for any of several reasons - they might just like it, or it can be done for entertainment purposes.

Transgenders think they're the opposite sex
Transvestites just like to wear women's clothes, often for sexual reasons

No matter what they will never be the gender of their choice truly, they will always be biologically and physically different even if injected with hormones. Someone born a man can look like a woman, but they can never reproduce or give birth or have ovaries/vagina/uterus/etc so can they really be called a woman in the truest sense of the word?

i'm just wondering if it's not PC now to call them mentally ill

No, they're delusional. You can give them all the treatment in the world, you can say they *feeeel* a certain way, but it won't change the reality.

Gender is not the same thing as sex. You can't change your sex genotype, that's true, but you can change many of the things associated with gender: sex phenotype, gender presentation, gendered behaviours, gender presentation, etc.

Woman and man are in many people's opinion considered to be the social constructs associated with sex, but not sex itself, which would be male or female.

i wish cis ppl would realize that replacing a rigid gender binary with a rigid gender trinary doesnt actually solve anything

Nah I don't subscribe to this postmodernist theory. If you act like the stereotype of what you believe is "womanly behavior" but are physically and biologically a male, I'll still think of you as a male. You're still technically a male.

*buzzer* WRONG
it's Black Metal. Trans people inevitably get depressed and seek extreme forms of sonic assault to reconcile with their feelings of hopelessness and suicidal urges

why shoegaze though? its one of my favorite genres and i had no idea it could be associated with trannies

I'd only want to be a girl if it were like ranma 1/2 where you could switch on/off and it was a clean swap (ie you get the pussy tits ass and look like what you would have looked like had you been born a girl instead of a man with a bunch of surgery and hormone injections)

hmmm

>hasn't heard of AGP
You know bud, I like to look like a girl. Hell, I even pass in public without dressing like one. I get mistaken every other day. But I know I'm a dude. Deep down, I want to be a father. You really shouldn't argue to death a defense of a group you aren't really a part of... it's in good faith but it comes off as insulting no matter how hard you try because of shit like this.

I would argue there is no gender marker at all. Lumping the incredible variety of human gender identities into a finite number of categories is always going to be kind of silly.

And so would in fact a lot of transpeople as well, because they also agree that you can't change your sex genotype which is what much of sex is based on. What they do know that you can change is how you present yourself and your phenotype, which means they're more congruent between their perceived gender and their biology.

If you want to keep classifying people who identify as female as if they were male, and refer to them as that, and talk to them like that even if they ask you not to, you're just being a dickwad no matter how you turn it around. You don't even have to agree with them, but it's easier for you to respect their wish than it is for them to live with being misgendered all day.

Conflating different schools of gender theory here, bud.

to be honest i struggle with how i feel about trans people. on one hand it's ridiculous and they're clearly mentally ill

on the other hand i'm sure they didn't choose to be this way (because who the fuck would choose that) and it seems like an absolute nightmare

I'd rather just not talk to them at all. I'll avoid them like I avoid a raving schizophrenic hobo in the streets.

people who defend trannies wouldn't

>Conflating different schools of gender theory here, bud.
nah many people who defend transgenders would also say there's no real difference between the genders