A psyop to meld "gun control" and "terrorism watch list" enforcement, and in so doing undermine and corrode the 2nd and 4th Amendments.
That is specifically why MSM is pushing the psyop narrative that Mateen was "on the terror watch list" but still "able to buy a gun just days before the massacre."
No verifiable evidence that -anyone actually died -anyone was actually injured -that there was a real response by Orlando medical personnel -that "Omar Mateen" was on the scene
But we do know -people interviewed on the news were actors -Mateen = actor -Mateen = G4S employee -G4S specializes in "crisis productions" -Mateen father = CIA, State Dept asset -the "injured" were carried back towards the club -the "injured" were let back on their feet when they thought they were off camera
But let's start with anything that isn't hearsay, anything that couldn't easily be faked with commonplace household items.
Andrew Evans
I mean, "try me" as in bring some evidence that you consider verifiable. But see too
Cooper Butler
I'm not usually a tinfoil hat loon, but something really has my spidey senses off with this whole Orlando thing, and then the Jo Cox thing. Especially in a turbulent election year. I don't believe in coincidences anymore. Especially not with this government. It's chess and not checkers to these fucks in power and I believe they just sacrificed some pawns for a power move. I have no proofs though, so whatever, fuck it.
Brandon Hall
You do realize people are capable of walking after being shot in the leg right? If it was just a flesh wound then what the fuck is the problem here?
Joshua White
An identifiable image of Omar Mateen armed at the scene of the crime would be a huge piece of evidence. An identifiable image of Omar Mateen dead at the scene of the crime would be huge too.
The claim that he "died in a shootout" greatly eases a hoax, because he does not have to be prosecuted and no one has to testify against him under oath.
>I have 3 people here to carry me around back towards the club with this gunshot wound in the leg, as there are oddly no ambulances present at this mass shooting, but on second thought let's all stop here and let me down to adjust our pants, stretch out give eachother love taps
sure
Asher Sanchez
Yeah okay. Hey I don't have this picture of a fucking toaster oven orbiting the sun between the Earth and Mars, but believe me dude its there.
Camden Sanders
I think I am in love.
Oliver Carter
YEAH DUDE LETS DRIVE AN AMBULANCE INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER LOL
Take the tinfoil off m9
Austin Stewart
What garbled illogical nonsense is this?
YOU are the one who needs to prove a claim.
There is just as much evidence that Mateen was at the scene of the crime as the floating toaster oven.
Or would you believe in the toaster oven if I trotted out a bunch of people who said they had been in space and saw it there, but provided no hard evidence?
Michael Cooper
I don't think it needs to be a false flag in order for the government to use it as an excuse to infringe upon our constitutional rights.
In other words, I agree with you completely that MSM and the Govt. and various groups want to walk all over us, but I think they are more opportunistic, then anything.
(Although I do think the Jo Cox thing is a hoax. Or, at the very least, an attempt by the Remain side to sully the image of Leave supporters as violent and racist.)
Zachary Reyes
>YEAH DUDE LETS DRIVE AN AMBULANCE INTO AN AREA WHERE THERE IS AN ACTIVE SHOOTER LOL
yeah dude let's parade the injured BACK TOWARDS THE ""ACTIVE SHOOTER""
Isaac Cooper
You're 3rd sentence has it correct.
Brody Lee
MSM sums up this thread
Jaxson Roberts
jesus man shut the fuck up. go see a doctor
Carson Martinez
>implying people on the terror watch list SHOULD be able to purchase and own guns nope
Josiah Phillips
kek thought the same thing
Robert Flores
They are walking towards emergency vehicles.
Jacob Clark
What's to stop them from putting anyone they don't like on the watch list? This government is out of control.
Dylan Young
SANDY VAGINA HOAX 2 ELECTRIC ORLANDO JEW
Josiah Gutierrez
Problem is, the 2nd amendment refers to the People, a plural noun. As long as the People can bear arms, no individual citizen needs to be able to do so.
Blake Phillips
>I don't think it needs to be a false flag in order for the government to use it as an excuse to infringe upon our constitutional rights.
I don't know if it "has" to be either, but in this case the evidence is pointing towards the fact that it was.
If you had a smartphone on you right now and said you were standing underneath the belly of an elephant, it would be pretty easy for you to prove that claim. It would also be pretty easy for you to prove that you weren't. Your inability to prove claims of this source would make it logical for me to doubt you.
If people are making a claim that something as that should be as massively documented as a mass shooting, it should be EASY to provide convincing evidence.
Elijah Cooper
It refers to militias, thanks Canada.
Gavin Lewis
I know this is /x/ tier, but I feel like it is all part of some MK ultra type of social conditioning. They specifically picked a muzzie so that there would be a massive campaign against "islamophobia". This would then be used to demoralize and confuse people . on one hand its painfully obvious that Islam is the enemy, on the other from every corner you hear that this is wrongthink and bigotry.
Grayson Nelson
>This government is out of control.
the owners of this government are terrified of us, let's kick it up a notch, they have no idea that I already took control of the currency,
their whole existence is now based on our mercy
of which I have none
fire rises
Hudson Foster
Pure sophistry. GTFO equivocator. I suppose you think that means the 4th amendment means that any individual may be subjust to unreasonable search and seizure since it only references "people" and "persons"
probably shouldn't respond to this 0/10 trolling but I already wrote it
Zachary Reyes
No one disputes that fact, it's the precedent it sets for the future. People get thrown on watch lists for the dumbest reasons, mostly subjective and it's near impossible to ever be taken off. There's no due process.
Tyler Harris
Oh shit. It's like the holocaust. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit. Shit.
Asher Powell
You think you're clever so long as you don't know any of the history.
Jason Cooper
Of the people on that list, there are surely thousands upon thousands who have every legal right to own firearms.
Cameron Richardson
Prove even after the fact? To continue with your analogy, it would be easy for me to prove I was standing under an elephant if asked to provide proof at the time. But not so easy if I was standing under it yesterday. In that case, might have to rely on circumstantial evidence, such as a zoo admission ticket, a smelly shirt, the testimony of my friends who saw me there, etc...
I think the ultimate point is that just because it didn't play out as you believe that it should have, does not mean that it didn't happen. You should read Satre's The Stranger - where a man gets convicted of a crime that he is innocent of simply because he doesn't act as the jury believes that he should. Same idea.
I'm not completely against the idea that this was a hoax, but these things typically take a while to unfold, and I'm sure there is a ton going on behind the scenes that we don't know about.
Jacob Harris
>Prove even after the fact? To continue with your analogy, it would be easy for me to prove I was standing under an elephant if asked to provide proof at the time.
Orlando is crawling with journalists and investigators who should be able to document and transmit evidence that this happened.
>I think the ultimate point is that just because it didn't play out as you believe that it should have
That's not what I am saying. There is no verifiable evidence that it "played out" as a mass shooting at all.
Nicholas Anderson
So why are you not talking about reforming the no fly criteria? Alt right propaganda has limited your ability to think objectively about critical issues. >muh ebol govment taking the guns There are some people who should never own guns or weapons. The thing to do he is to delineate who should and shouldn't
Luis Wright
by posting on Sup Forums you're likely on one or more watchlists
David Cruz
How come NO ONE ITT can do this?? Isn't that odd to you all?
Oliver Garcia
You seems to be forgetting that the government has no right to disregard the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Michael Watson
>does not mean that it didn't happen.
it was on television so it didn't happen, television is make believe and always has been
everyone knows that
Jordan Myers
What about the statement of the doctors who allegedly attended to the wounded at the hospital?
The reason I bring them up is because they are bound by a lofty professional code of conduct. Unlike journalists and politicians, getting involved in something like this and diverting their scarce resources and lying to the public would be grounds for revocation of their license.
Now, I suppose the doctors could be actors, but I'd imagine their identities as real doctors is very easily verifiable.
Lincoln Edwards
>There are some people who should never own guns or weapons.
I disagree, I argue that felons have the same rights to weapons as everyone else, it doesn't say anywhere in the 2nd amendment that anyone can be denied access to a weapon, not black felons, not gay serial murderers, not anybody
Noah Powell
>What about the statement of the doctors who allegedly attended to the wounded at the hospital?
what on the news? that shit is television, a fantasy
sorry my man, nobody trusts media
thats just how it is
Ethan Ward
>does not mean that it didn't happen
Show me that it DID HAPPEN though. I am just itching to be convinced with something that rises above easy counterfeit and hearsay.
Mason Baker
So the 1st and 4th amendments enumerate collective rights and not individual rights?
Zachary Hughes
How hard to get is it that some wannabe matyr with a fucked up personal life and probably a big dose of self loathing took a gun and killed a bunch of people?
It's the US for goddsakes. You literally have a mass shooting every fucking day.
And then everyone sees it as an opportunity to push their own agenda.
Some want to push the gun control thing Some want to push the anti muslim thing Some want to push the "toxic masculinity" thing Some reasonable people just recognise it's a shitfight and shit happens and deal with it best you can.
Benjamin Lewis
I'd like to give people broad personal liberties and freedom from onerous and officious aspects of government. Still, I want to keep guns away from some people. Move to Vermont bro, almost anyone can cc.
Cameron Flores
>Show me that it DID HAPPEN
here is some pretty good evidence regarding what actually happened
>So why are you not talking about reforming the no fly criteria? Because it's a shit idea born from excessive bureaucracy and government incompetence? The federal government has consistently proven that they're unable to prevent these attacks regardless of how many rights are infringed for the sake of their convenience or how many tip off and red flags they get because on a fundamental level they are incompetent. If the watch list passes another attack will happen probably with warnings they ignored and they'll push for one more right to be trampled on. The problem is not with "too much freedom" it's with them and them alone.
Cooper Turner
>How hard to get is it that some wannabe matyr with a fucked up personal life and probably a big dose of self loathing took a gun and killed a bunch of people?
How hard is it to show us some hard evidence that this is what actually happened? Apparently too damned hard for anyone ITT so far.
Jaxson Martinez
>How hard to get is it that some wannabe matyr with a fucked up personal life and probably a big dose of self loathing took a gun and killed a bunch of people?
not hard at all but when that martyr has an actual imdb profile and has appeared in multiple films with similar themes it kind of pushes the boundaries into the realm of this cannot be considered reality
all those democrats thinking we're stupid is real though
Nicholas Thompson
are there any pictures of bodies or anything online?? there was plenty during the paris thing
Jason Perry
>I want to keep guns away from some people.
it's a bad idea, just arm everyone and the cowards will never try anything
Kayden Wood
You may be right, maybe I should reconsider my position
Brayden Clark
>You literally have a mass shooting every fucking day.
DIfferent definitions give different results. Amazing. The point is you have guys shooting guns at people an awful lot more than any other western country.
Grayson Ross
If the government was truly tyrannical they would just take the gun rights and every other right away. The news always fakes shit it's all about money and yes pushing an agenda but do you really think they'd be stupid enough to bungle the shit out of these things every time?
Cooper Hughes
just look at Switzerland, no murder, people say it's because they're a homogenous culture and that is part of it but there is more,
basically if murder was legal and the government didn't exist nobody would get murdered, for fear of retribution
we shouldn't listen to these democrats about anything, they're responsible for creating crime, they give handouts then tell the people getting the handout that it will go away if they get a job, so they commit crime to supplement the handout, it's intentional, to create fear
their system is bullshit and they need to go, republicans aren't any better, they're the other half of the same coin
I imagine Trump just met with the Joint chiefs who just explained the amount of murder killing that will happen to his family if he doesn't abide, we need to embolden him or abandon him, it really doesn't matter, the people have the power, we need to laugh these assholes out of existence and vote them out also, give them big red bootmarks on their ass while they fly out the door
Eli Bailey
I think the point is you can't provide a shred of hard evidence to support the Pulse Orlando mass shooting hypothesis.
Carter Butler
we have a lot more niggers than any other western country
Owen Carter
>The point is you have guys shooting guns at people an awful lot more than any other western country.
according to fantasy land news media that can lie to you with no penalty?
according to the movies cars blow up pretty easy, we better change car laws to make cars safer
Owen Cooper
Agreed, they fudged this one big time. They were even unaware that a gun shop owner had contacted them recently about this guy.
Cameron Bailey
>we have a lot more niggers than any other western country
you need to recognize how red pill a huge amount of the black community is,
blacks have more blood of the founding fathers than whites
Lucas Price
>If the government was truly tyrannical they would just take the gun rights and every other right away
If the ruling class was tyrannical and incredibly fucking dumb, yes, that's what they would do. But they aren't dumb. And they probably don't think they are tyrants or even malevolent.
>do you really think they'd be stupid enough to bungle the shit out of these things every time?
They do every single time and yet they escape consequences every time. It's hard to fake real, but most people are willing to accept the knock-offs anyway because they're not trained to spot them.
Joshua Richardson
are you ok?
Jonathan Hughes
It's true. Black people are maligned for being "prone to conspiracy theories" because many of them don't believe shit from the news or the government, but I keep learning more and more how right those people are.
Angel Cook
Nigger ass
Jayden Sanchez
Show me some hard evidence for your thesis that there was a mass shooting in Orlando this week and I'll take off the cap.
Connor Howard
>But they aren't dumb.
no they are really dumb, like we wouldn't ever find out that Jack Ruby changed his name from Rubenstein?
like all these scam murders and psyops don't look like obvious bullshit every single time
jut start going backwards in time, look at MLK and Malcolm X, look at George Wallaces shooting, look at the Reagan shooting, they fucking gave Mckinley a memorial
this shit is so in your face it's embarrassing but thats part of why it works
people talking and laughing about it is traditionally what shuts it down, also graffiti drawings of politicians with giant cocks going into them has been known to help
Wyatt Rivera
To me it actually shows a keen grasp of human psychology, but I guess we're both just speculating.
Owen Johnson
No, because anything we bring you will be "part of the conspiracy". Don't even pretend that won't be your reaction
Ryan Wright
well if by prone to conspiracy theories you mean called dumb niggers and arrested so they can't legally hold a rifle or vote then sure,
but yeah the democrat breed sicken me, they all have some shitty union job and think they're living it good, when you explain how they;re committing black genocide they don't want to hear it
Malcolm X hated liberals, "your buddies who charge you the highest rents"
Lincoln Sullivan
>To me it actually shows a keen grasp of human psychology,
it's a one trick pony they've been milking for 10'000 years
Isaiah Cooper
>That is specifically why MSM is pushing the psyop narrative that Mateen was "on the terror watch list" but still "able to buy a gun just days before the massacre."
Because an abject failure of the authority you have already been given should result in more authority being bestowed upon you.
How anybody follows this train of thought boggles the mind.
Brandon Mitchell
They've fucked up every time. Russian intelligence told them the Boston bombers were Islamic terrorists in waiting and they didn't do shit. The San Bernardino shooters practically glowed in the dark they were so deep in the Islamic terror scene. No retarded list based policy is going to stop the FBI, DHS, and anyone else from being shit at their jobs.
David Nguyen
>liberals get to decide who's on the terror watchlist
Republicans, Gamergaters, and those 4chans people are threats to the republic! Let's remove their 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights with no due process and no recourse! Oh, and they can no longer vote or fly in an airplane, either!
>this is literally what liberals are demanding
The NRA even proposed legislation to block actual terror threats from legally purchasing guns, but their bill included protections to keep the liberal government from abusing their powers. And you know why? Despite giving the libs everything they claim they wanted... they still voted against it.
Anything less than total civilian disarmament will not be accepted. The libs will be satisfied with nothing less than treason.
>Hey citizen, you seem to like guns. That means you're probably a terrorist. Sorry, no guns for you.
Oliver Clark
As I said above, statement of the attending doctors. Easily verifiable that they are not actors, and bound by a strict professional code of conduct. Unless you think that the rabbit hole goes so deep that the entire medical board has been compromised.
Lincoln Bennett
-the earth is flat -we never landed on the moon -crop circles are real -there are aliens in Area 51 -Elvis lives -Pentagon was hit by a rocket -Diana, Princess of Wales, was murdered -Paul is dead -Protocols of the Elders of Zion -Chemtrails are for real
Did I forget something?
Anthony Turner
I think retribution is within the preview of the government and I'd worry that without government disenfranchised people would have little recourses to justice. I also believe it's the prerogative of the government to provide for the social welfare of its citizens. That said, I find welfare abuse hateful and do worry about the the government being so easily tossed about by whatever's the current political wind. Really, fuck these guys. Bernie was my hope and now I'm at a loss.
Jonathan Smith
>Creates a thread to convince people about a conspiracy thread >Replies with a "lol i dont know search by yourselves" You're no better than those History Channels documentaries.
Luke Russell
>The NRA even proposed legislation to block actual terror threats from legally purchasing guns,
I can't believe they went there, massive faggots, I'm with rocky mountain gun rights now
>The libs will be satisfied with nothing less than treason.
when you see anti gun threads from Americans report them as criminal, treason is a crime
Michael White
>a group of literal faggots playing it up for the camera is proof of a global jewish conspiracy, and not just attention whoring faggots playing a prank to get on TV...
k.
Jeremiah Jackson
What part of "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" do you have trouble comprehending
Even Trump is hopping on the bandwagon with this "terror watch list" bullshit. He lost my vote the second he posted pic related.
This will destroy the 5th amendment and eliminate your right to due process
>>suspicion = conviction
Luke Jackson
>Bernie was my hope and now I'm at a loss.
Trump awoke the beast, it doesn't matter who wins now so long as people keep talking and coordinate these fucks are going down, a lot of people in military and intelligence been waiting a long time for this,
it's on, these criminals are done
just keep pushing them, write them letters, call them and curse them out, tell them why they're scum, explain they support actual nazis,
the Israel nazi connections are really fucked up.
Jayden Gutierrez
>He lost my vote the second he posted pic related.
if he doesn't backpeddle hard he's done and there will be no new president until a valid warlord is selected
don't blame him, the joint chiefs told him whats up that they'll kill his whole family if he doesn't play ball, we have to embolden him, protect him from an unlimited number of murderers
Blake Ward
>I can't believe they went there
Why? They proposed temporary hold on gun sales to those on the watchlist and an alert to the FBI. They had to come up with a legal reason to deny the sale and charge a literal fucking terrorist with a crime... or fuck off because the sale goes through.
It doesn't get any more "common sense" than that.
>we should sell weapons to actual ISIS members because they asked nicely
Think McFly.
Michael Russell
Let's get something straight here, people really did fucking die. We just don't know what actually happened
Cooper Barnes
>article 2 has an extra comma
TRIGGERED
Justin Campbell
>hurr durr everyone should be allowed to own guns Quit fucking talking. If you aren't a shitter then you can still buy guns retard
Elijah Allen
>They proposed temporary hold on gun sales to those on the watchlist and an alert to the FBI.
bad idea, anyone can have a gun on the black market so why bother with restricting the legal market?
they're pushing to be able to select who gets excluded from firearms ownership and I guarantee you the victims will be the usual ones, jews, blacks, minorities, handicapped, homosexuals
every time
the temporary hold could be indefinite, a criminal will go to the black market and every law abiding citizen will also, no shortage of guns on the black market, it's a stupid idea that will basically just make the government look like even bigger retards,
it's an illegal and unworkable idea
Evan Walker
There's not going to be any evidence bro. Lot of fake emotion and lot of crying for gun control, lot of crisis actors and ((Matt Lauer)) sobbing for gun control.
No evidence. No bodies No photos Just believe Obama he never lies.
Connor Evans
>We just don't know what actually happened
we do know what happened, an actor was called a mass killer on television but his acting career as a mass killer in films was never mentioned
Luis Stewart
if you are a shitter you can buy guns
felons can buy every part of the gun legally but the trigger
Luke Jenkins
Obama would never use a muslim as a scapegoat, it would be some privileged CIS white male
Gabriel Wilson
Parts of the gun =/= the gun
You can buy all the components to make a bomb too. So what. The majority of the human population is not smart enough to put shit together themselves