It didn't age well

It didn't age well.

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It literally predicted all electronic and dance music of today

no it didn't. It just showed that it was possible to make 4/4 dance music for home listening as well as clubs. But it did sort of pave the way for many other ""idm"" artists

but ambient techno existed long before saw85-92 was released

>tastelets actually think this

[citation needed]

you really should kill yourself

Any links?

Technically ambient house but you still get the idea.

Also, Detroit Techno.

only one year prior, but still
youtube.com/watch?v=1PN4uboXizQ

bullshit. a friend played this the other day and i fell in love with it again.

Also this
youtube.com/watch?v=QFZAwz3rnBg

yes: youtube.com/watch?v=0-ucWoXBves&ab_channel=AlexanderDelarge
By the man himself, made in 1987.

The prodigy paved the way for modern music

he did that when he was 16, I'm 19 and i barely know my way around ableton. ffs why are people this smart

I think you're half-right. Most of the other 90s Aphex has aged much better. Volume 2 is more solidly ambient, ICBYD and RDJ because they're more technically overwhelming and aggressive, and most of the EPs because they're either more niche or more pop-oriented.

SAW 85-92 feels kinda awkward sometimes, probably because no one really cares about acid house/chillout ambient tropes in the same way (British) people did back then. I really dislike We Are The Music Makers and Pulsewidth. But Xtal, Hedphelym, Ageispolis, and Schottkey 7th Path all go hard as fuck.

fight me

doesn't take too much wit to make up bullshit stories to accompany your music tbfh

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can you not read "85-92"

name me 3 ambient techno tracks made before 1985

>other 90s Aphex has aged much better
>RDJ because they're more technically overwhelming

I can't think of a more dated and more 90s electronic music sub-genre than drill and bass. Same with Squarepusher, I like the sound and find it charming but it's hopelessly stuck in the past. Also the string sections and melodies on RDJ sound like they were lifted from a CD-i Tetris game. The whole sound makes for a uniquely 90s IDM package but it isn't in any way as forward thinking, futuristic and predicting as 85-92. Even back in 2001, drill and bass sounded outdated. AT fans and critics were not happy to say the least when drukqs was released. I'd say the only thing that hurts 85-92 is the relatively poor sound quality and that a proper master doesn't exist. Other than that, it's timeless.

the only track from 1985 is the all-ambient "i" iirc

he sure knows how to keep the dopamine flowing all throughout a track without resorting to lazy drops or buildups. Couple unexpected melodies, nice flowing beats, acid squelches, you can def hear the potential. One of my favourites of his, just because it introduced me to the whole scene

if you're ready to move on from Aphex, try this

none before 85 obviously but there's a good handful before 92

youtube.com/watch?v=Bn5lgHQ9MPg
youtube.com/watch?v=IF5gXcjfQMI
youtube.com/watch?v=2GnFvdaEl2Q

words of truth

This weirdy-beardy has done a few genuinely startling tracks, and is generally quite amusing. What galls is the sheer arrogance and temerity of Squarepusher and other similar "drill and bass" dilettantes --they actually believe they are improving on jungle!!! All that Squarepusher has brought to drum & bass is some Jaco Pastorius bass-frills, a dys-funk-tional rhythmic convolution, and a quirked-out daftness that recalls nobody so much as Primus. On a purely technical level, nothing that Squarepusher does with breakbeats surpasses engineer-poets like Hype, Aphrodite, Dillinja, 4 Hero or Danny Breaks, to mention only the most obvious leaders-in-the-field. It is only Squarepusher/Plug etc's distance from the scene that allows them to convolute the breakbeats beyond any use-value to DJ or dancer; the wilful incongruity of the samples is all well and good, but if junglists use the same old gangsta/cyberpunk soundbites and apocalyptic textures, it's because they're trying to create and sustain a vibe, a feeling-full and meaningful mood that crystallises a certain kind of worldview and life-stance. By comparison, drill and bass is vibe-less non-sense. The drill and bass/"fungle" concept seems to exist to make a certain sort of "margin-walker" feel okay about not really having engaged with jungle as a subculture. And of course, as with most soi disant progressive iniatives, drill and bass is utterly parasitic on its populist counterpart--do you really think the idea of chopping up breakbeats would have independently occurred to the weirdy-beardy technoids in a million years?

lol no that's completely different

it's not that much different. at any rate, it may help bridge IDM brainlets into detroit techno

>I like the sound and find it charming but it's hopelessly stuck in the past
Why the fuck does everyone on /mu have this opinion?
Drill & Bass is fantastic. It's Breakcore with a focus on fine detail and structure while going 160+. Great genre

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Are you baiting? these aged like milk

non sequitur

detroit techno is still the greatest techno to ever exist you pleb

It's a great album and despite what any of you contrains and baiters say, it is very innovative.

Overhyped in my opinion, but classic none the less

>This weirdy-beardy has done a few genuinely startling tracks, and is generally quite amusing. What galls is the sheer arrogance and temerity of Squarepusher and other similar "drill and bass" dilettantes --they actually believe they are improving on jungle!!! All that Squarepusher has brought to drum & bass is some Jaco Pastorius bass-frills, a dys-funk-tional rhythmic convolution, and a quirked-out daftness that recalls nobody so much as Primus. On a purely technical level, nothing that Squarepusher does with breakbeats surpasses engineer-poets like Hype, Aphrodite, Dillinja, 4 Hero or Danny Breaks, to mention only the most obvious leaders-in-the-field. It is only Squarepusher/Plug etc's distance from the scene that allows them to convolute the breakbeats beyond any use-value to DJ or dancer; the wilful incongruity of the samples is all well and good, but if junglists use the same old gangsta/cyberpunk soundbites and apocalyptic textures, it's because they're trying to create and sustain a vibe, a feeling-full and meaningful mood that crystallises a certain kind of worldview and life-stance. By comparison, drill and bass is vibe-less non-sense. The drill and bass/"fungle" concept seems to exist to make a certain sort of "margin-walker" feel okay about not really having engaged with jungle as a subculture. And of course, as with most soi disant progressive iniatives, drill and bass is utterly parasitic on its populist counterpart--do you really think the idea of chopping up breakbeats would have independently occurred to the weirdy-beardy technoids in a million years?
Good god, what a pasta.

Breaks in general are outdated. People immediately think of the mid 90s when they hear breaks. It's a genre and scene that flourished in the 90s so you can't blame people for associated that sound with the 90s.

I still can't fathom that Strings Of Life was released in 87. Derrick May needs so much more love from Sup Forums. His re-release of it from 98 still holds up really well
youtu.be/bjdmPALLna0

That's beside the point, these tracks are dated to say the least

>drill and bass
So ridiculous to generalize the rest of RDJ like that. 4, Fingerbib, Logan Rock Witch have nothing to do with "drill and bass." And even the tracks that can be ostensibly described that way are totally timeless, like To Cure A Weakling Child. "Drill and bass" is itself an outdated term that nobody has used for 15 years, as you say so yourself.

>lifted from a Tetris game
if you're making the argument that RDJ is straightforward in samples or hardware, then you know you're wrong

Breaks can be used in lots of different ways, don't be naive

they're dated in the sense that you can tell they were produced in the late 80s / early 90s. but they hold up musically

i know this is bait, but i listened to this album in '96 for the first time. you either love it or hate it, you should've grown in the 90s, you had to be there to appreciate the whole acid house, ambient techno and even "idm". if you were born in 99 or 00 (i know this because they way you think), you're going to hate it or say "hurr this is so dated. this is EDM. ugh". better to stick around to p4k flavor of the month-core then.

Just googled this. Sounds like shitty vidya music. Never compare these hacks to Richard again.

>The prodigy paved the way for modern music
The prodigy were good, but not that distinct from other hardcore productions (and big beat in the late 90s)

>Breaks in general are outdated
Breaks are literally just sampled organic drums combined with electronic drums for maximum effect. Are you implying trap beats that rely only on electronic drums are more modern than breakbeats?

>IDM is bad because jungle exists

Aphex is at least as indebted to acid house as jungle. Weak argument IMO

what vidya music in 1989 sounded like 808 state

lol nah

let me guess, you only listen to UK bass or something

All this detroit techno sounds like it was made in the 80s. I don't mean to trash-talk an entire genre but that sound simply can't be compared to 85-92. Despite what anyone might claim, 85-92 still sounds effortlessly futuristic and formless.

you're either deaf or a millenial that can't discern 80s music from 90s music

I'm pretty sure even Richard himself would disagree with you

The fucking absolute state of electronic music on Sup Forums

pfffffftttt

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this is better than any RDJ production

Dont get me wrong these are classic tracks and no doubt an influence on AT but i would never call them ambient techno. People usually post stuff like black dog when referring to ambient techno before SAW. it doesnt take away that SAW is a great album.

I feel like actual drum and bass has aged 10x better. As for saw i feel like its definitely timeless, except for maybe a few of the later tracks.

I listen to lots of music

>if you're making the argument that RDJ is straightforward in samples or hardware, then you know you're wrong

No, I'm saying the 'serene' string sections in RDJ come dangerously close to sounding cheesy, like something you would hear on a phone holding system of a company in 1996.

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and this is more timeless and futuristic sounding than any Aphex track

Wtf is uk bass

oh word is that why RDJ himself is basically making detroit techno again?

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The thing about Aphex and all these other artists that claim they made their tunes in the mid 80s when they were 15 years old is that they didn't release their stuff up until 91-92, which 1. gives their words a sense of doubt, and 2. nullifies any sense of deeper historical relevancy or influence whatsoever.

For comparison, pic related by The Black Dog (which Plaid were part of) was actually released in 1989.
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And Plaid's very own first album was released in 1991.
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You have to bare in mind that the IDM tag didn't exist up until 1992-93. So IDM aside, what genre would you say is the above Plaid tune? Electro? Techno?

This of course not taking into account other guys that released seminal stuff in the late 80s and very early 90s like 808 State and the whole Detroit Techno crew which were already mentioned ITT.

Needs a dopplerefekt album.
Also thanks...

This warp comp album is a pretty gokd starter place too for some classic 80s house/techno trax

this
>this is better than any RDJ production
this is your opinion, it might even be bait

>bleeps and bloops
>futuristic

I get the feeling many people defend the album not because they like it but just because it's now regarded as classic. I love it, and I always knew it was good, but it's weird seeing it actually gain so much attention now.

Robert Hood is probably the greatest techno producer of all time. if you think RDJ can compare, you have no taste in dance music

I'm from the UK and I second this

how the fuck can you compare this to anything on 85-92?

the person I was replying to said detroit techno all sounds dated compare to SAW's "futuristic and formless" sound. that track is an obvious counterexample to that claim

Sounds like club music you'd hear on Ibiza in the late 80s. I have nothing against dance music but comparing that too the genius that is 85-92 is insulting. Also those vocals that come in at the end ruin the vibe for me. Basically the equivalent of EDM of the late 80s.

anything is a top tune

Why are bleepfags so deluded. You're literally defending old person EDM. The 80s equivalent of avicii.

The best thing richard ever did was take dull, derivative, and constructively limiting genres like acid house, techno, jungle, dubstep and make them into something creative. Not just music for braindead molly popping normies. Daft Punk did the same thing too though more within the EDM framework.

Strings of life isn't really ambient but B12 and early UR had lots of atmospheric pads and whatnot. What's the quintessential TBD techno ambient track?

The album has been considered a classic for a long time now.

lmao you know fuck all about electronic music
RDJ himself would be ashamed of that statement

wrong. this is what they played at ibiza in the late 80s

youtube.com/watch?v=VWytwhGVMdI

that you think Daft Punk did anything novel in house music shows what a clueless brainlet you are

i love these but so does Aphex, he's made loads of straight up techno tracks, there's no point in trying to force some genre war BS

aphex is cool but his fanboys that claim he literally invented techno and house and electronic music as a whole need to be gassed

Dance music in the 80s was much more innovative than 2010s "EDM" Monster Energy Drink sponsored bollocks

pffft
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>1981

use google

it's a genre that dance music people who don't like breakbeats tend to like

Literally what?

blocks your path

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>muh club culture
>muh 'ardcore continuum

Fuck off, you like and idolize brainless dance music, the kind of music 99% of people listen to and forget about after they're doing partying. You are in no position to argue about superior taste

>comparing RDJ to Daft Punk

noooo

>dull, derivative, and constructively limiting genres
>make them into something creative
>braindead molly popping normies
>Daft Punk did the same thing too
>EDM framework

Seriously. DUDE THIS EDM IS WAY BETTER THAN MARTIN GARRIX BECAUSE NOSTALGIA

No fuck off
Same shit

ok now you're not even trying

Richard would hate you

>EDM

Took shitty edm like dubstep and uk garage and made it good

cool track but I'm pretty sure that using a drum machine does not make something techno

aphex is overrated but no one is claiming that

what is the problem now

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bass_music

I know this is bait but I still can't help but reply

drums were specifially articulated in that repetitive way

>uk garage
>grime
>dubstep
>rnb

Disgusting genres

t. pardner

ffs peeps literally thought this was a new unreleased aphex track when he played it during a dj set in 2009

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post tunes aphex twin probably likes

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