What do you think of this album

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Its really good

Stunningly mediocre and only notable for being a gimmicky blend of styles.
Go ahead, deny that I'm right. You know in your heart my words are true.

its great

This, the album just repeatedly makes me feel nothing

It's frustrating. DSCO had potential to be really great and then it just devolves into wacky noises on a loop panning back and forth. There was absolutely no need for that song to be over 3 minutes long.

Agree with that, a lot of my issues stem from how specific instruments sound. Same kind of frustrating blandless that makes me hate most indie rock

blandness*

Last time I heard it it was a mismash of things and not seamless. I'll give it a second run.

I don't know, I agree that it's kind of emotionless and cold, I find this to be the case for a lot of contemporary shoegazing albums though. The production on it is so crisp, fruitcake and cookies is one of the most sonically gorgeous things I've ever heard.

Ah yes, I was wondering when the contrarian backlash against the near unanimous praise this album receives on this board was going to begin

It's an easy 4/5 to me now but it started as a 2/5
Definitely a grower, lots of people listen to it once and dismiss it.

>people must be pretending to not like something, better call them out on it

The mere fact that you assume negative opinions about something you enjoy being reactionary rather than legitimate tells us more about you than it does about us.

Nobody replies if just say you like it. (I like the album a lot) You gotta say something different to get attention and a conversation going you know

breakdown baby

You're a complete newfag if you've never noticed the pattern of
>album slowly gains traction on Sup Forums
>it gets posted in a rec thread, gets a lot of replies saying "this" or talking about songs on it they like
>reaches a point of peak popularity, there are a few threads about it from time to time filled with positive remarks and discussion
>album gets a few more threads, mostly the same shit
>finally a thread starts about the album and about half the replies are negative, calling it "overrated"
>from now on any posts about the album will be overrun with people shitting on it with some meme insult

Ofc I've noticed that, and of course there's going to be contrarians, but you can't just assume any negative opinion isn't legit

Especially when people are sat there trying to explain their reasons for not liking it

Nobody ITT has used the word "overrated" except for you, and so far I'm the only one to talk about the actual music on the album. I've also been posting for 12 years now. Stop spouting bullshit and face facts: your beloved meme really isn't that good, it's just one of the few albums willing to splice two gimmicks together.

>Nobody ITT has used the word "overrated" except for you,
It's called a generalization you thick fuck

>and so far I'm the only one to talk about the actual music on the album
wow do you want a medal?

>I've also been posting for 12 years now.
oh fuck two medals. wait I can't tell is this a pretentious humblebrag blogpost or a comeback

>Stop spouting bullshit and face facts: your beloved meme really isn't that good, it's just one of the few albums willing to splice two gimmicks together.
where are the facts when music is subjective

>It's called a generalization you thick fuck
No, it's called spouting off without reading the posts you're spouting off about. How silly.
>wow do you want a medal?
I'm simply pointing out that in the face of criticism which was based entirely on the sonic content of the music (the purest form of music criticism) your only reply was to state that anyone who disagrees with you is being contrarian.
>wait I can't tell is this a pretentious humblebrag blogpost or a comeback
Pointing out that your other comment is unfounded.
>where are the facts when music is subjective
The cherry on top of the pleb sundae. Only the most desperate of losers (or smuggest of pseuds) backtrack into "th-that's subjective!" when faced with legitimate criticisms.

Why is it that everything I dislike is defended by idiots ? Is this a demonstrable pattern ?

damn dude, been posting here for 12 years and this is how you spend ur time
kinda pathetic if u think about it

You sure showed me :)

It’s getting a bad reputation here because it’s been spammed and discussed to death, but it’s a great fucking album.

>It’s getting a bad reputation
Lol, no it isn't. Stop trying to deflect criticism of your sacred cow.

im not even OP and i agree that this album could be much better than what the band did with it
but you're pretty insufferable
if you've been posting on Sup Forums for 10+ years and the best use of your time is sharing your already-developed opinions on a 15-year-old album.. idk man time to take a look in the mirror

You sure showed me :)

>No, it's called spouting off without reading the posts you're spouting off about. How silly.
I specifically mentioned that I was defining a "pattern." A pattern that I could see beginning to repeat itself again. Either way, this point is simply semantics. You're original post () implies that you believe the album to be overrated regardless, even if you did not specifically use the word.

>I'm simply pointing out that in the face of criticism which was based entirely on the sonic content of the music (the purest form of music criticism) your only reply was to state that anyone who disagrees with you is being contrarian.
Where did I say this? I was simply pointing out that the pattern of Sup Forums backlash was repeating itself once again.

>Pointing out that your other comment is unfounded.
This post implied that you hadn't noticed the reactionary pattern that has clearly demonstrated itself on Sup Forums dozens of times. Most of the times, the contrarian backlash is (demonstrably) reactionary, as it's tied to a meme of some sort. I pointed out that I could notice the seeds of this backlash being planted in this thread.

>The cherry on top of the pleb sundae. Only the most desperate of losers (or smuggest of pseuds) backtrack into "th-that's subjective!" when faced with legitimate criticisms.
It's not "backtracking," I never even stated my opinion on the album. Your criticism barely extends beyond "I don't like these sounds," intermingled with partial descriptions of the sounds using language biased towards negative descriptive terms. That's more or less what all criticism is, and if you wish to put critique on a pedestal instead of the art in and of itself, well, regardless of what you may believe I can see who the true idiot is here.

i'm sure you'll understand what i'm saying one day

>I specifically mentioned that I was defining a "pattern."
A pattern that isn't appearing in the thread where you are defining the pattern. How odd.
>implies that you believe the album to be overrated regardless
Haha, no it doesn't. Learn how to argue against what I'm saying (not what you wish I had said).
>Where did I say this?
See: Let me guess: that wasn't you!
>contrarian
AKA "anyone who disagrees with me, ever."
>It's not "backtracking,"
Yes, it is. People only grasp at subjectivity when they have nothing interesting to say.
>I can see who the true idiot is here.
"I know you are, but what am I"

You sure showed me :)

I love how Friendo's pseud version of "arguing" is literally just him knocking down a bunch of straw man arguments while simultaneously writing in the most pretentious manner possible.

It's a particularly infuriating cocktail that makes him one of the more adept troll trips.

>I've also been posting for 12 years now.
hes a manchild at this point tho so its hard to even be upset lol

Identify the straw men.

nice ad hominem

Why should I, every can plainly see them except for you apparently.

If they're so easy to see, why can't you identify them ?

just stop wasting your time man

because not everyone else is as invested in this imageboard as you apparently are

>p-pls leave I want to circlejerk about my 5/10 album in peace ;_;
"no"
There are places on the internet where you can "down vote" comments and posters you don't like. Did you know that ?

>no really the straw men are there I swear

Why do you believe I can't? I can, quite easily. I just won't. Partially to save time, partially because I'm tired, partially because it's so obvious that it's unnecessary, and partially to spite you.

Nobody cares

Sup Forums is just another echochamber. You think you're finding things outside of the mainstream but you're just contributing to a sort of underground mainstream by bumping threads, exaggerating positive/negative opinions and bashing anyone who disagrees. Everyone is influenced by other people, otherwise we wouldn't be posting here. If you're an active poster it's to try and influence the general opinion on an album for a while. Just keep making threads saying how good it is or whatever and eventually it'll catch on. You think you're an """independent mind""" but really you're just a product of a couple hundred opinions on Sup Forums

>to save time I will slap out paragraphs of text instead of greentexting a copypasted sentence
Epic trolling.

You demonstrably do.

>A pattern that isn't appearing in the thread where you are defining the pattern. How odd.

>A pattern that I could see beginning to repeat itself again.
>beginning

The seeds were being planted for the backlash to happen. This is the first time the comments on this album weren't nearly completely unanimous that I have seen. Reading comprehension, Friendo.

>Haha, no it doesn't. Learn how to argue against what I'm saying (not what you wish I had said).
You start the post by posting a negative criticism about an album that, prior to your post, was almost universally loved on this board. You then end it with "Go ahead, deny that I'm right. You know in your heart my words are true." implying that you expect a negative reaction to your comments because you know the album is held in high regard on this board.

>Friendo knows the album is held in high regard, yet explicitly says the album is poor and not deserving of the praise it receives.
>Somehow this doesn't imply that Friendo believes the album is overrated

>See: (You)
Let me guess: that wasn't you!
It was me. But where in that post do I say that everyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian, and not, as I stated before (), that " was simply pointing out that the pattern of Sup Forums backlash was repeating itself once again."

How can I even say that everyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian if I have not even yet stated my opinion on the album?

>Yes, it is. People only grasp at subjectivity when they have nothing interesting to say.
You disregarded my entire argument, nice cherry picking. I am growing tired of restating myself, Friendo. You better demonstrate a stronger reading comprehension in your next reply, or I'll simply drop this discussion and get some sleep. For the last time, I re-state: I've never stated my opinion on the album, therefore backtracking is impossible. I called subjectivity at your turgid claim that your opinion was "fact." ()

wasn't aimed at you personally, more a general statement

One big one here

>your only reply was to state that anyone who disagrees with you is being contrarian.

He was simply pointing out a pattern. Never stated his opinion, I'm pretty sure. At least not in that post.

Christ can we talk about the music?

Album's a grower for sure. First couple listens didn't do much for me since it didn't seem like it had a cohesive sound with all the styles, but it clicked after like five listens once the melodies started to catch. 7 or 8/10

>The seeds were being planted for the backlash to happen.
This is an extremely easy way to de-legitimize any criticism of a generally liked album. Any criticism of something generally liked is no longer someone merely having a dissenting opinion- it's now contrarian backlash. I'll try to remember that from now on.
>You start the post by posting a negative criticism about an album that, prior to your post, was almost universally loved on this board. You then end it with "Go ahead, deny that I'm right. You know in your heart my words are true." implying that you expect a negative reaction to your comments because you know the album is held in high regard on this board.
This supports my post instead of refuting it. Thank you.
> where in that post do I say that everyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian
When you quoted every negative post about the album citing it as "contrarian backlash." Are you fully literate ?
>How can I even say that everyone who disagrees with me is a contrarian if I have not even yet stated my opinion on the album?
How any of you plebs think is beyond me, honestly. Most of the time I wonder if you're actual people and not just NPCs or philosophical zombies.
>I'll simply drop this discussion and get some sleep
You should do that, it doesn't appear to be going well for you.

>Album's a grower for sure
This isn't a thing. Forcing yourself to like something doesn't make it good.

>oh this is the beginning of the inevitable backlash that happens with every album that gets popular with Sup Forums huh

>WAH WAH YOU JUST CAN'T FACE THE FACTS THAT THIS ALBUM SUCKS

If you've really been here for as long as you claim, you'd be mature enough to not engage in this absolutely childlike behaviour.

All anonymous posters look the same to me. Claiming that because I didn't psychically know that you weren't the particular drone who said "it's good!" to be a straw man is disingenuous. It's not a straw man.

>typing in all caps while accusing others of wah wah-ing
This is some next level shitposting.

holy kek

Well then in that case don't you think it's better to solely respond to the post you are quoting and not assume that the user could have made any of the other posts in the thread?

No, it's a reasonable assumption. If I went into every conversation assuming that every single reply to me was from a different person, I'd be a narcissist.

Perfect album to me

if they hit a middle ground between this and pic related it would be absolute GOAT

ugh I don't even know why i go on this board anymore when there are so many people like you. get a life and stop arguing on the internet. talk about music when you're on a music board

>This is an extremely easy way to de-legitimize any criticism of a generally liked album. Any criticism of something generally liked is no longer someone merely having a dissenting opinion- it's now contrarian backlash. I'll try to remember that from now on.
Perhaps, but it is an undeniable pattern that I was merely pointing out. Any implications you draw from that are your own, and are unrelated to this discussion.

>This supports my post instead of refuting it. Thank you.
You can't just claim you have an argument without actually making one.

>When you quoted every negative post about the album citing it as "contrarian backlash." Are you fully literate ?
After I repeatedly explain to you the purpose of the post, you continue to misunderstand. I will try one more time.

I was pointing out that the pattern of Sup Forums turning against albums that it had once unanimously praised was beginning. I did not state my opinion on the album. I did not claim that the opinions held by the people I cited were not sincerely held. These are all words you have put into my mouth and I would like to ask you to stop.

>How any of you plebs think is beyond me, honestly. Most of the time I wonder if you're actual people and not just NPCs or philosophical zombies.
>You should do that, it doesn't appear to be going well for you.
Not an argument. I feel like by reading that I just watched you jerk your own brain off.

>No, it's a reasonable assumption.
It's not at all. By making this assumption you could derail any anons argument by attributing posts to him he did not make. It's a dishonest tactic. Anonymity provides some benefits, such as diminished responsibility for posts. YOU choose not to use it.

>If I went into every conversation assuming that every single reply to me was from a different person, I'd be a narcissist.
You realize that solely responding to the post you are quoting != assuming every single reply to you is a different person, right?

>talk about music when you're on a music board
It is quite literally not my fault that people would rather talk about _me_ than respond to my on-topic posts about music.

>it is an undeniable pattern
[laughter]
This is what people say to feel better instead of just letting it go.
>You can't just claim you have an argument without actually making one.
This is nonsensical. I disagreed that the album had a "negative reputation" and (you) responded with how good the reputation of the album was. Do you understand now ?
>I was pointing out that the pattern of Sup Forums turning against albums that it had once unanimously praised
[continued laughter]
>. I did not state my opinion on the album. I did not claim that the opinions held by the people I cited were not sincerely held. These are all words you have put into my mouth and I would like to ask you to stop.
I find it odd that you are continually trying to convince me that you are only here to talk about the people talking about the album instead of the album itself.
>I did not state my opinion on the album.
I believe you *wink*
>Not an argument.
You asked a question and got an answer. An argument was neither needed nor asked for. Don't misuse memes, please.

>It's not at all.
Easy there, Vulcan. Us humans typically make these necessary assumptions in order to converse with each other. Again, assuming that every reply to me was a different poster would be narcissistic.
>Anonymity provides some benefits, such as diminished responsibility for posts.
Are you slyly implying that the poster is lying and using anonymity to his benefit ?
>You realize that solely responding to the post you are quoting != assuming every single reply to you is a different person, right?
You realize that pretending that the user I'm responding to hasn't said anything else is completely unreasonable and autistic, right ?

>This is what people say to feel better instead of just letting it go.
Meaningless vocabulary wank


>This is nonsensical. I disagreed that the album had a "negative reputation" and (you) responded with how good the reputation of the album was. Do you understand now ?
Wrong. Your problem was with the user saying that the pattern of backlash begins with it being referred to as "overrated." The user pointed out that your post implied you believed the album was overrated.

>[continued laughter]
More meaningless wank

>I find it odd that you are continually trying to convince me that you are only here to talk about the people talking about the album instead of the album itself.
I'm not trying to talk about the album. Could it be you are finally getting it?

>I believe you *wink*
Even more meaningless wank

You asked a question and got an answer. An argument was neither needed nor asked for. Don't misuse memes, please.
I asked a question that required you to argue against it, and you gave me some pointless meandering thought that would be better suited to your private diary entries than Sup Forums.

>Are you slyly implying that the poster is lying and using anonymity to his benefit ?
Every user uses anonymity to their benefit. It's why we can say crude things here we would never say in real life. That's the nature of Sup Forums.

>Easy there, Vulcan. Us humans typically make these necessary assumptions in order to converse with each other. Again, assuming that every reply to me was a different poster would be narcissistic.
>You realize that pretending that the user I'm responding to hasn't said anything else is completely unreasonable and autistic, right ?

I'm gonna say this again.

>solely responding to the post you are quoting != assuming every single reply to you is a different person

In court, we vote on "guilty" or "not guilty." If you vote "not guilty," it doesn't necessarily mean you believe the culprit is innocent. You just believe there is not enough evidence to convict them as guilty.

It seems to me that you operate under the assumption that every user is "guilty" of posting other things in the thread. When a more reasoned approach would be to believe they are "not guilty." As in, you don't necessarily believe they are innocent of posting other things in the thread, but you do not have enough evidence to convict them of it.

>Wrong.
Okay, I actually laughed. You realize the words are right there, yeah ? Look: Nowhere does it say anything about "overrated." Are you looking at the correct posts ?
>I'm not trying to talk about the album.
Sup Forums - music
>I asked a question that required you to argue against it
Mmm, no. No you did not.

Maybe you should go.

>Every user uses anonymity to their benefit.
You didn't answer the question, sweetie.
>In court
Analogies aren't logical thinking, they just feel like it. Once more: Pretending that the user I'm responding to hasn't said anything else is completely unreasonable and autistic. This isn't a court case, this is a conversation on a hobby board.

>Okay, I actually laughed. You realize the words are right there, yeah ? Look: Nowhere does it say anything about "overrated." Are you looking at the correct posts ?
Haha, that's on me. I got the reply order mixed up. Give me a second.

I love the album but I get your criticisms

dude you like the 2nd avalanches album lmao

Alright, RE to >You start the post by posting a negative criticism about an album that, prior to your post, was almost universally loved on this board. You then end it with "Go ahead, deny that I'm right. You know in your heart my words are true." implying that you expect a negative reaction to your comments because you know the album is held in high regard on this board.
That doesn't mean I think it's overrated.
Gee, that was an easier fix than I thought it would be.

If you have any other examples of the style mix being done well I'll gladly listen to them.

Yeah, 'cause it's good. Better than the first by a wide margin.

>Better than the first by a wide margin
/filtered

t. didn't filter me

Hey friendo, need a lift?

Yes, actually.

You can sit between the backseat and my dick

Overrated as hell on this board. I discovered it long before I started to visit Sup Forums and thought it was not bad but 7/10 at best. I gave it another very close listen several years later, being aware of its universal praise, expected to love it that time (given that both shoegaze and idm had become my favorite genres), but still didn't feel anything special. I don't get it, does it make me contrarian though?

Your expectations were too high and it just might not be your thing. The album keeps blowing my mind everytime I listen to it though

yeah... nothing more depressing than Sup Forums beginning to shill one of your favourite albums. I thought v:d:c would be above that somehow

isn't the plastic sound the whole point of the album? like machines attempting to emulate human music or some shit

A really great album that's criminally overrated on Sup Forums and criminally underrated everywhere else
It's probably in my top 10 of all time but even Roberto himself admits it's like 20 fucking minutes too long. I love it but it's got a lot of flaws and it's something that only a very specific subset of people are going to go nuts over
It's in the same tier as shit like Stratosphere that's really good but gets blown out of proportion just because everybody on Sup Forums listens to the same 15 or 20 albums over and fucking over again

I kind of agree with this

> a tripfag with a "le epic contrarian opinion" :)

wow, surprising.

filtered :)

Not a single mention of Paper Mario.


Bad thread.

what does Paper Mario have to do with anything?
don't get me wrong, I love both this album and Paper Mario, but I don't see the connection

>This isn't a thing. Forcing yourself to like something doesn't make it good.

do you really believe this? im actually curious. Do you think your first experience with albums is your only UNWAVERING opinion?

When I was a kid I didn't like carrots, but after my mom forced me to eat them i ended up enjoying them now. What's up with that?

Oh neat, food analogies.

Okay, I hated Shakespeare when I was like 12 years old, but I like him now. Hows that for you?

"Analogies aren't logical thinking, they just feel like it."

Okay, I hated Shakespeare when I was like 12 years old, but I like him now. Hows that for you?

Stop nitpicking, you're annoying as fuck in this thread. No one cares that you dislike this album, but you are coming across as a pompous prick who doesn't want to discuss the album but argue for the sake of arguing. You literally have said ONE THING about a song on this album.

Fuck, double posted. my bad

>Stop nitpicking
Make real arguments.
>You literally have said ONE THING about a song on this album.
Which is odd, because either nobody disagrees or nobody thinks discussing the album itself is more important than circlejerking about what a big meanie I am for not liking it.

>Make real arguments.

yeah, totally. the whole "DENY THAT IM RIGHT :^))))" is definetly a great conversation starter and is sure to get meaningful discussion happening

Maybe next time you want to take the contrarian stance to a generally well liked album you should turn off your trip, because it comes off as attention seeking.

>"GUYS.. I KNOW THAT YOU LIKE THIS ALBUM.. BUT I DONT! ME! FRIENDO! ME! I DONT LIKE IT!"

what are some artists that sound like the glitch parts on this album

>"DENY THAT IM RIGHT :^))))" is definetly a great conversation starter
It has never not started a conversation when I've used it, so yeah, I'd say it is.

>is sure to get meaningful discussion happening

dont highlight things out of context, retard. You're being provactive for the sake of it. Discuss the albums songs more, and less about how you dislike it.

youtu.be/dDue183YvpA
Here's one song that sounds just like this album. I'll get more later.

based paper mario poster

Pretty nice album, just not as amazing as some people on here make it out to be.

shit thread.
good album though. it took a while to grow on me

>You're being provactive for the sake of it.
Having a contrary opinion to the hivemind is now, officially, being provocative for the sake of it.

If he hates it then I like it

If he hates it then it must be a really good album