Loudness war

I found the wikipedia page of loudness war by accident (was reading the page about remastering because i had no clue what remastering is.)
Whats the usual way to obtain a copy of music which is not affected by loudness war?

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youtube.com/watch?v=MJCHeEQV454
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"How do I find the master tapes of albums"

You break into attics of musicians and search them or become a record label employee and sneak into places you shouldn't be? Or wait for hi fi remasters?

>master tape
>hi fi remasters
so i need to look after this terms when i get music ?
what are similar terms that imply good audio quality ?

find out which release isnt fucked then downlaod that

For some music you have no choice, it's only available brickwalled. For others you have to research release history and see which is best. Wikipedia will help to a degree with that, and (believe it or not) TvTropes can actually be useful for once.

stevehoffman.tv forums is a good resource for discussion about comparing different mastering of an album. Discogs can help with finding catalog numbers of the better ones.

If you don't already know what loudness is it's unlikely you'd hear much of a difference between a loud recording vs one with a lot of dynamic range.

Don't worry about it.

Also, don't listen to people who say loudness is inherently a bad thing.

I figured I might as well go into this thread rather than start my own on this. Anyone get genuinely fatigued by overcompressed/"loud" music? EDM is hard to listen to for me because it's so fucking brickwalled, genuinely fatiguing. Older music being better is sure up to debate, but I don't on the production/mixing end it is. I'm confounded on how anyone listens to this shit regularly.

>stevehoffman.tv forums
topkek those guys are mostly idiots

These.

The problem is "loudness" is extremely subjective, and many of the Loudness War types want to cite measurements of dynamics as some sort of gauge for quality, disregarding artistic intent or context.

While it is true that there is a tendency for newer masters to be overly compressed, some people like that and it suits some music. And then it becomes a slippery slope of what exactly is "too loud".

wait until mobile fidelity sound labs reissues it on 45rpm double vinyl, then it'll sound right. but that barely ever happens, so we're fucked.

you could use dr (dot) loudness-war (dot) info to see the dynamic range of different releases and figure out which version is best

dr.loudness-war.info/album/list

here's an entire database where you can find the best release with the highest dynamic range

I buy original issues of everything if I can. Remasters are typically what end up being louder than their previous counterparts. Not to say all remasters are bad, but I don't recommend buying remasters for anything unless it's gotten good feedback on its sound quality. Thriller's 25th anniversary remaster sounds terrible in comparison to the original issue

There's also albums that just inherently come out brickwalled like Californiacation where you have literally no other option than what you're given. Just check Discogs, basically. See what's remaster and what isn't. Typically rock and pop albums from the late 90s to today are what sound the worst, as well as a lot of remasters of older albums that already sounded perfect

So compress more high level volume of music is a bad thing? LMAO
Like just down the volume in your pc, retard lmao

ebin :-DDDD

educate yourself
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness
>Loudness, a subjective measure, often confused with physical measures of sound strength such as sound pressure, sound pressure level (in decibels), sound intensity or sound power.

How do I avoid the loudness problem when recording music myself?

Don't make it loud you dummy.

slide all the faders down to -60

any examples of music that cause fatigue in you?

also interested in this, even in non-meme answers

just dont let any audio clip. don't ever go past 0db.

>also interested in this
Amateurs shouldn't be making music if they honestly don't know how to turn faders down

Instead of compressing/limiting your master track, turn down the volume till it doesn't reach the clipping threshold.
Apply as little compression as possible. Unmastered recordings generally lack punch tho, so my personal preference is to use a lil' bit of compression so people don't have to constantly adjust their volume as the track goes along.

kotchan.org/chat/int#General

why the fuck not lol

break the rules you sheep

ok this interesting what is this

I too was born with the inherent ability to know what loudness is

People that are obsessed with loudness are pretty much in the same boat as audiophiles, caring more about clarity, than artistic intent/enjoyability.
I don't really care for brickwalled sounds unless it's blatantly obvious to the point of the mix being completely equal on all instruments (Death Magnetic is an often cited meme example of that), but I also fucking hate 60's records that have "natural" mix that you try to adjust the volume to hear the melody/vocals only to have your ears blown out by the first snare hit (fucking Wouldn't It Be Nice)

Nah mostly 50 year old autists

and Sup Forums is not?

No, they are all idiots instead of mostly idiots
Same difference

>but I also fucking hate 60's records that have "natural" mix that you try to adjust the volume to hear the melody/vocals only to have your ears blown out by the first snare hit (fucking Wouldn't It Be Nice)
Spotted the plebn

They generally know a lot of info about the best pressings of stuff.

They're obsessed

compression is good. older albums have too much dynamic range and can't be played at a satisfying volume

>They generally know a lot of info about the best pressings of stuff.
That is true, but what they choose to do with that information is misguided. If you don't believe me, check out any thread about the 2009 Beatles remasters

>WHAT THE FUCK!! THEY GOT RID OF POPS, CLICKS AND ERRORS???
>JUST TERRIBLE

It's literally pages and pages of that. Also people thinking mastering is simply making something louder or not.

>People that are obsessed with loudness are pretty much in the same boat as audiophiles, caring more about clarity, than artistic intent/enjoyability.
>I also fucking hate 60's records that have "natural" mix that you try to adjust the volume to hear the melody/vocals only to have your ears blown out by the first snare hit

yep

The loudness war is just a fucking meme

please explain

I'm sorry that I want to keep my already shit hearing intact.

yeah

>already shit hearing
I can tell because there's no vocals before the snare hit.

Overhyped
Doesnt really exist
Doesnt effect the music quality

Who gives a fuck about mastering. If it's good its good.

t. listens to music exclusively on soundcloud/bandcamp

>Overhyped
Possibly.
>Doesnt really exist
This is wrong.
>Doesnt effect the music quality
This is wrong.

So what faggot
Its not dadrock era anymore. Nobody cares about audiofile shit.

see

what are you even doing here

You will when get out of high school

Listening to bomb ass music
Lil xan, lil pump, other new rappers, mac demarco, tame impala, radiohead, muse, arcade fire, lana del rey, air

My songs sounds 7 pegs quiter than the commercial standard, this thread saver my confidence in my mixing abilities. Thanks, I realize that preserving dynamic range is valuable for me. Phew nqa.

This reminds me of when the Replacements got drunk dressed up as janitors and broke into their record label and stole their masters and threw them in the Mississippi River so their albums couldn't be released on CD.

You read Trouble Boys?

No but I want to. Have you?

When I first got into learning music production, I'd be listening to some flattened music and I'd keep hearing this distortion that I thought was from an effect. It was only much later after I learned how to properly use compressors that I realized what I was hearing was all the compression distortion from the transients being slammed.

Not him but I read about this incident in Our Band Could Be Your Life last night. I've heard good things about Trouble Boys

Yup. Got it right when it came out. Fantastic book. It also gave me other artists to check out who are mentioned in the book.

If you're not familiar with the Best Show you should check out the Replacements Steve talking to the author next time you're running or commuting or something. I was laughing in public like a crazy person.

thebestshow.net/episode/best-show-bests-74-bob-mehr-and-replacements-steve/#volume

Yeah that happens a lot less than you think.

Christ that board is so much better than Sup Forums it hurts

>How many rocks did you break with that pool noodle?
>Like one.

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>records that have "natural" mix that you try to adjust the volume to hear the melody/vocals only to have your ears blown out by the first snare hit
perfect example of this: youtube.com/watch?v=MJCHeEQV454

>that poster with the shiggy fantano avatar
Do I sense a stevehoffman-Sup Forums cross poster?