Dystopian living

You realise we're already in a dystopia, right?

>Doublethink (1984)
"We should welcome Muslims!"
"Oh but wait sexism is bad! (Muslims just get a free pass)"
>Feelies (Brave New World)
"Let's watch Game of Thrones, an escapist fantasy where men are aggressive, women are passive, to indulge our true sexual desires! But God forbid we express these desires in reality!"
>Thought police (1984)
"You dare have a sexist thought! Fire him!"
>Soma (Brave New World)
"You're aggressive and angry and frustrated user? Oh, just take this antidepressant to mentally castrate you and make you ignore all your true instincts and true nature!"

I can't believe reality has actually caught up to everything those guys were on about. We're fucking doomed, I'm telling you.

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Correct.

This isn't news pal

Well I've never seen anybody else make these points with reference to these books, so I thought the point needed to be made

Sup Forums and "alt right" internet culture such as the manosphere is the perfect example of "feelies"

what is your point? the world is injust?
wew lad, some next level detective shit right there

You probably have a point especially with the manosphere... UNTIL the point when you actually go out and DO the things that the manosphere teaches

E.g. I have a friend who is pretty obsessed with the idea of "game" and all this stuff. It makes him FUCKING annoying to hang out with, BUT he seriously does get lots of girls. He annoys lots of people doing it too but I guess he's getting girls so whatever.

Brave New World's society was dystopian only to those few damaged individuals whose production process went wrong. Everyone else was designed to enjoy their lives.

No, that we are actually already in the dystopia that people still think is a distant reality

It's not distant, it's current. People can't recognise that SJWism literally practices Doublethink and the Thought Police, and that equivalents of Feelies and Soma pacify us, neutralise us, inhibit our very fucking human nature. They stunt us as human beings... they make us weak, pathetic creatures

Whatever, can't do anything about it. I was a child when all of this stuff came true. I can live a good life for myself and start a family, so that's what I'll do.

I think it's a lot more extensive than that user. Your nation is a genuine 1984 full surveillance society with weird dystopian white trash and reverse racist leaders

WE ARE LIVING IN DEMOLITION MAN

No it was wholly dystopian because there is no freedom whatsoever. All "enjoyment" is completely artificial. Humans are bred and not allowed to reproduce naturally, which is the most fundamental human desire and instinct.

You do realize people are being killed for making movies like Gray State and pic related right?

That's all irrelevant if you go by mere quality of life, though. The quality of life, "artificially" achieved or not, was extremely high, as the overwhelming majority of people thoroughly enjoyed their lives. This is why that contrasting tribal society looked so fucking awful in comparison, even though it was supposed to be the better alternative.

I give you the point about freedom, though.

Yes you're right the surveillance state is redolent of 1984

I am more concerned with the similarities to Brave New World though really. How people WILLINGLY pacify themselves (and thus stunt themselves emotionally and physically) by getting obsessed over "Feely" television shows like Game of Thrones and other crap instead of real life. By taking antidepressants to ignore their real problems instead of dealing with them and overcoming them.

It's terrible. Back in the day everyone had the same instinct: to survive, to procreate. People did hard jobs, like ploughing the fields for 12 hours a day, because they had to, because there were more powerful people than them in the world with armies and money and jails. But they did it because they wanted a means to feed themselves, but also ultimately to procreate with a woman and have a family. Because the ultimate human desire is to procreate. But now people have so many analogues, so many substitutes, that they ACTUALLY think "oh I'm asexual / homosexual / I don't want sex, I don't want a family". They are so BLINDED and pacified by modern media, drugs, whatever, that they ignore their own base human nature.

As somebody who is still in touch with his instincts, I could think of nothing worse than someone trying to stop me from procreating, from filling a woman with my seed and creating offspring. It is the ultimate human goal. It's the only reason to live at the end of the day. It's what your body was made to do. And really your ultimate goal is to create as many offspring as possible, to spread your seed and your genetics as much as humanly possible. Yet people now are led to believe they don't even want that. It's fucking scary man.

>Gray State

Can I download this without being on a terrorism watchlist or is it too late to worry about that anyway?

Only one thing to look forward to -- beautiful and tireless SEX ROBOTS.

Won't that drive feminists crazy? How will they try to shut it down?

Game of thrones is a liberal fantasy

I see your point but I think Huxley wants us to see it as a dystopia because it is a complete loss of freedom and a complete control by the state. It's a dystopia for me for those reasons anyway.
>This is why that contrasting tribal society looked so fucking awful in comparison, even though it was supposed to be the better alternative.
Maybe though that is meant to show us how important freedom is, even at the expense of "happiness". It is better to be those unhappy and free people, living as savages, than the """happy""" but unfree people.

Well thats part of the point. Not because its artificial, but is because what we want. The old image comparing 1984 and Brave new world basically summed it up for me. Its just whatever consumes our desires and keeps us satisfied instead of growing and learning as an individual.
Everyone is still free to do that.
In both the dystopian novels the population is heavily driven to either drugs or censorship, and I think the truth is that these were always cornerstones of society with drugs being substituted with culture/religion.

I concluded that there is no 'correct' society, only the society that satisfies you. Everyone has a different idea what that is so both books intentionally makes you feel 'something is wrong' about both societies when in reality soma is akin to weed and many here would gladly take it if offered. There are many more who if told they needed to take something like heart medication they wouldn't even blink at that, yet when it comes to 'feeling good' suddenly its a different issue right?
Society is hard, and cannot satisfy people. Its people's job to satisfy themselves, society is just a means of that occurring.

>browses Sup Forums

Too late my user friend. We're all on a list.

>People did hard jobs, like ploughing the fields for 12 hours a day
And there we have my personal dystopia: Mind-numbing, life-consuming manual labor.

Thank you, industrial revolution and the conveniences of modern society, and fuck you, Huxley.

as soon as you post your on the list

Yup.

We are living in a hybrid Orwell's and Huxley's nightmares.

There is a reason why toward the end of any schooling they make you read one of these or both. It's basically putting it to you as: HAHAHAHA YOU'RE FUCKED!

wait, do I get the freedom to choose to be 'happy' or not or does that get decided for me?
He's more arguing for freedom from influence that impairs him from getting in touch from himself. I don't know how you have freedom of speech and at the same time freedom from influence.
In his ideal state, would they blare 'have kids' on the news?

Op, I've often pondered the same exact points that you raise. If you go out to any public place now look around at people's faces. No one's really happy anymore. All traditional values have been destroyed so people have become nothing but pleasure-seeking animals addicted to kike entertainment.

>Tl;dr I want off this ride

noone cares about your shitty thread

the left literally uses those books as instruction manuals

Those are not in competition, that's carrot and stick held by the same person. The elite go more to one, then the other, depending on circumstances.

The idea of that book is that the human lives were changed in order to form a state.
The state became the purpose, instead of the people.

We're about 15 years from the dystopia the Turner Diaries describes as well.
>tfw I'll be almost 40 when the race wars start

There is more to life then children. Any idiot can have children.

This. People are genuinely suprised that when they ask me how many kids I want and I tell them "as many as I can support"

Game of thrones has some of the strongest female characters of any show ever, and none of them are passive.

Literally nothing you said is accurate.

>this reality
>ever not a dystopia
lmao that's the whole reason this reality was made: to be shitty

you have to go deeper and you have to slowly red pill your friends into new landscapes of knowledge , first step is making your fellow man accept the difference they have among each others in such a way that it highlights enviromental reasons behind the beneift and negative of each race.

Second is redpilling them on the idea of eugenics, epigenetics and political reasons for contradictions such as the aquirement of power.

third is you leak your redpilled knowledge and anything prior to that has been a learning experiance to them and they'll accept it so long as you say take this info with salt, aftwards you basicly copy pasta your redpilled folder to there flash drive and tell them good luck. but they must trust you and they must be ready to learn from you or else your on the blocky roads of autism and shun for muh racism

ive got a handful but it will grow soon

No one will give a shit about you watching some conspiracy theory movie - unless you plan a bunch of people because you think apocalypse is coming.

Animal farm was the past

Brave New World is the present

1984 is the future

Just how new are you?

>he didn't even use the granddaddy book of them all, Zamyatin's "We"

>in reality soma is akin to weed and many here would gladly take it if offered.
But with soma they are deliberately trying to control you with it. No one is deliberately trying to control you with weed. Weed growers just want to make a buck off you.
>There are many more who if told they needed to take something like heart medication they wouldn't even blink at that, yet when it comes to 'feeling good' suddenly its a different issue right?
Well I would say such medication is more akin to soma, because it's the state trying to medicate us so we don't step out of line. Especially with antidepressants. Docs give us those things because they don't want us kicking up a fuss (like, arguably, we should do for our own good). Control the masses, keep them passive. Same with ritalin controlling kids with ""ADHD"" (read: boys with lots of energy because boys have lots of testosterone and energy and that's actually perfectly fucking natural)
>Society is hard, and cannot satisfy people. Its people's job to satisfy themselves, society is just a means of that occurring.
Very true I guess.

Manual labour is the best fucking labour you could possibly do, working physically hard, especially if it is outside where you are supposed to live your life. Humans are not designed to be indoors, away from natural sunlight.

Working hard outdoors keeps you physically and mentally fit.

You are just a lazy person and you have been pacified by modern inventions, just like I described.

It's okay OP. the war will be here soon.

source: Woke as Fuck Patriot

correct
they are both practiced today
to say that only 1 of those 2 books is applied to today's reality is being blue pilled. both are done today
>censoring information (you cant see muslims doing crimes in your news if you live in sweden or france)
>mutilation of history (no no, iraq was always our enemy! we never sold weapons to them! no i mean iran yes iran is the enemy and our war is against them, yes)

The average liberal lives a comfortably numb existence, blissfully unaware of what goes into making the world he inhabits happen, feeling only the briefest flares of emotion when his entertainment devices tell him he should be happy, or sad, or enraged. He stumbles from relationship to relationship, all superficial in character, experiencing not his fellow man but rather caricatures of them that he has conjured in his own mind, all of which feed his ego and the narrative of his own making. Tapping away on his smartphone, immersing himself in vague images disseminated by those he will never meet, he is as disengaged from reality as the TV shows and games he wiles away his life consuming.

This is the dystopia that liberals reside in, willfully giving up their freedoms and consigning mankind to a hopeless future, so that for a fleeting moment they might feel as if they are the star of their own story, the tortured artiste whom no one understands.

Invariably they are vaguely suicidal, because some reptilian part of their mind registers that they inhabit only a fantasy, and unable to confront this reality they would rather see the whole of it destroyed by any means necessary. They engage willfully in distant cruelty and schadenfreude, being no stranger to the banality of evil, which they unthinkingly commit every day whilst thinking of themselves as the lone True and Honest Men. Casual sociopathy and jealousy is the norm, as they sweepingly condemn the strong-willed and the principled, ironically labeling them as naive or insincere, even as the liberal buries himself in still more delusion and self-deceit.

>You realise we're already in a dystopia, right?

If by, "we" you mean the Brits, Frenchies, Germs and Swedes, then yes, you are in a dystopia, with absolutely no escape.

Kill yourself mudslime this is the pol board not n

Every once in a while I forget this, but it never lasts for more than an hour or so.

There are exactly two sorts of liberals.

The first ones are professional liberals who work in the liberal propaganda and indoctrination machinery, journalists, college profs, teachers etc.

The second kind of liberal are - with very few exceptions - aged 16 to 30. At that age the liberal indoctrination inevitably wears off once you run across too many redpills. For certain subcultures - LGBT freaks with their drug addictions and their 20 year reduced life expectancy - it never wears off, which is why homos are the darlings of the Jew World Order.

You'll burn in hell desu

>wait, do I get the freedom to choose to be 'happy' or not or does that get decided for me?
In Brave New World you mean? Can't remember exactly but I'm pretty sure Soma isn't *enforced*... or maybe it is, but people want to take it, because it's such a pleasurable experience. They're conditioned from birth (artificial birth) to want it and be submissive anyway, due to state breeding and conditioning.

>If you go out to any public place now look around at people's faces. No one's really happy anymore. All traditional values have been destroyed so people have become nothing but pleasure-seeking animals
Well people who earn lots of money and have a hot wife and lots of children are probably pretty happy.

It's the ultimate purpose to any human being's life. Any organism's life actually.

You're damn straight user, and the thing is people actually lie to themselves that they don't want this. The truth is that every single male wants to impregnate as many fucking women as possible. In an ideal world, those women would raise the children without your input, and you would just fuck women until you died (as is the case in nature). But in today's reality, if you actually want offspring, you probably have to provide some sort of support, financial if nothing else. Although if you manage to impregnate loads of women and fuck off to let them raise the kids then all the power to you man.

This line of thinking is interesting. When a central bank attempts to regulate the economy through interest rates and open market operations and other methods, there are some common terms ascribed to each bank official.

If you want to strengthen the currency, and thus limit credit (and threaten employment), you are a "hawk." Conversely, if you wish to increase borrowing and stimulate economic growth (and job creation), you are a "dove."

There should be a simple, metaphorical name for an elite official that is in favor of 1984-style policies, as well as a name for one that is in favor of policies mirroring Huxely's BNW.

that feel when I want to believe that we're not being intentionally fucked, but it's true anyway

The people are programmed to take soma from birth, and the massive social pressure makes it pretty much enforced

this happens every couple of years, maybe this one is going to be a little bigger

Well throughout human history, the lower classes (us) have ALWAYS been fucked by those in power. So that's no different to always.

The difference is that people ACKNOWLEDGED it then. But now people use all sorts of doublethink to believe they are free of influence, free of being fucked over by commercial interests, when they're not. They willingly watch mind-numbing television shows that stunt their true emotions and instincts. That's the difference.

>How to spot someone who hasn't read Brave New World
The feelies are vapid cinema films where smells and touch are projected along with sight and sound, used for purely escapism by the population.

Yo buddy...still alive?

>none of them are passive

Right, so when Tyrion Lannister gives some people his prostitutes as a reward for their services, those women are "strong" and not passive?

Moron.

yep, one touch of a button and Oceania was always at war with east asia

>escapist fantasy where ... women are passive

So you have not watched the show? Which is fine it is over rated as fuck, but still...

friendly reminder that farenheight 451 predicted that modern videogames would become interactive movies

>Characters
>A couple of nameless extras

Choose one.

Been a long time since I read the book, but I don't recall it predicting that, exactly.

The "genisis" of the whole hybrid dystopia thing comes courtesy of Neil Postman, who has written some excellent books of the effects of TV on children and society. Amusing Ourselves To Death and The End Of Education are must-reads.

>Underlining .gov

As yes, those devious schemers at Pubmed. I'm glad someone else has opened his eyes.

It's a thing that's casually mentioned in the background, specifically that it was an "interactive TV show" of sorts, imagine heavy rain but you have to say the lines. Sound familiar? Pic related.

Also another thing mentioned is that parents just dump their kids off in front of TVs to keep them quiet, which in turn causes them to turn into degenerates and edgelords that go around breaking things for fun.

Both were shit.

They used to just tell them to go outside and play...Why is the TV a better option

Feel threads =/= Feelies

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>Belgium
>2nd best team in the world
>BOTTOM of your group

kek

KEK

K E K

>women are passive
>GoT TV series
The jews got to it, friend.

Because liberalism in education and government>degeneracy>more child fuckers>fear to leave children alone to play.

No user we have to go deeper and deeper to the roots

Totally reminds me of the EU. And this Germany. ESPECIALLY this Germany.

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basically muh banks is bad
get your shit in a credit union then

kek only give dubs to those who share knowledge

we only need to get deeper to solve these issues at hand and where never close enough to the reality of our situation

>implying Sup Forums is any better than TV and not another Jewish psyop

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Its more like a honeypot and data miner

Trump is the Zionists' hand picked man to usher in the 3rd war between Islam and the West.

prove me wrong, you're being played. And this whole "alt right" shit is the Jews trying something new to control the opposition

Wouldn't it be great to just create a new Rhodesia? I wonder how you'd do it.

you really think so?

Literally every kid in 12th grade makes the connection between our current state and Brave New World.

i had a qoute somewhere in my folder about usering in the 3rd world war through that method.

the new world order has 2 paths and its either low and slow destruction or its fast and quick to win the race. Either way there gonna kill 95% of the population for there goals to reach phase one of the New world order everything after that phase is unbeknownst to us

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Prove you're right...Everything he does is against the Jewish PC culture. His only goal is to make the white vote a homogenous voting block like every other demographic

glad someone else noticed.

>t. O'Brien

JFK got killed for going against the federal reserve

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if he realy went against there wishes they would've had his body dumped before he went on stage but instead there gonna use him for WW3 if he doesnt comply which i belive he would wipe the muslim threat completly and destroy the chineses utterly then america would be great however more strings are being pulled to make this a catastrophe and if clition wins then itll stay a slow burn like it is now for the rest of the world

its a no win situation and he have to attack at the root of the issues here

Neither 1984 or Brave New World were part of my middle school or high school curriculum.

They wasted our time with a lot of "modern best seller" garbage that I can't even remember the titles of.

Although knowing how my classmates were in high school, this is how they'd respond to 1984.

>boring
>boooooring
>zzzzzzzz
>*disrupts class with cellphone*
>Ayo, hol up. Did they just have SEX? AWWWWW SHIEEEEEEEEEEEET.
>BORING!


Fuck "no child left behind." School was literally a hell populated by idiots.

>projected along with sight and sound, used for purely escapism
>projected light and sound used for escapism
>not exactly what Sup Forums is

you are retarded

The burden of proof is on you faggot

Yes indeed. But that doesn't stop you from living a meaningless life.

>School was literally a hell populated by idiots
unfortunately that's an accurate description of the world

But...taco bell still sucks ass???

Having read both, we are closer to Brave New World.

Pic related sums up what I believe is the underlying issue.

Not exactly. The main opponent to society in that book was not "damaged" iirc. He was just one of the few very intelligent people allowed to exist. Even rarer, he saw through the society, saw it for what it was.