Black Metal is more punk than metal. The only time it's more Metal than Punk is when it's mixed with post-rock/grunge (Vediog Svaor, Soliness) or the obvious 'blackened death metal' trash. youtube.com/watch?v=Fbp6WqzoO0o
Black Metal doesn't even come from the same composition background Metal does, ontop of it's origins it shares the DIY ethic with street punk, thrashcore and old school hxc. and I guarantee if bands like burzum were claiming punk back in the day this would be a genre metal fans would ignore despite how it sounded.
I wish I was good enough on guitar to make black metal. Can't even tremolo
Dylan Jenkins
Black metal came from thrash metal you fucking retard, now kys
Michael Perry
this
Noah Johnson
thrash metal didn't even exist when quorthon started releasing trashtunes, so try again.
even Fenriz said black metal is more punk than metal. You're kidding yourselves.
Jackson Cox
fuck the terminology. You know what we're saying
Lucas Foster
lmao tremolo picking is really easy. Practice every day and learn some techniques rather than playing ITAOTS for the rest of your fucking life.
Oliver Diaz
But honestly yes it's not punk but isn't black metal basically carrying on the legacy of venom which carries on the legacy of motorhead, which in the end were very punk in essence? I don't agree with this guy, black metal is metal in its foundation but I think it is in the extreme metal spectrum the genre more close to punk. I mean sarcofago, early mayhem, blasphemy, root, all carried on the legacy of venom and not rarely were influenced by hardcore acts
Tyler Walker
Bathory's first album came out in 84, thrash metal existed at that point, Ride the Lightning came out before it.
Jace Martinez
You can listen to an Amebix album and not know if it's venom, motorhead or amebix. Amebix is considered crust punk because the only separation they had with metal at the time was the riffs.
If thrash was so soon to exist, why was Bathory so different then
How can you say it was based on thrash metal over hardcore punk when it's primary recipe was slow crawling punk riffs
Xavier Cook
*also extreme vocals were an exclusively punk thing at the time, metal was still in it's cock rock stages
Matthew Jackson
no it wasn't by 84 thrash metal was undoubtedly a thing. bands like slayer were around, hell even bands like Death and Possessed were around at that point. what the fuck are you talking about, the riffs on the first bathory album aren't slow at all.
James Rogers
I think death released their first album in 83
Slayer weren't even proper, bad example because they made an entire album tributing punk and crediting that it's where they came from.
Zachary Kelly
Why does this feel like a covert Sup Forums thread
Angel Wood
Black Metal was essentially the punk rock of early 90s Northern Europe. It definitely has a punky, rebellious spirit. That said, it's still inescapably metal, especially aesthetically - it's still big heavy guitars with lots of solos, and hairy guys in studded leather clothes (and not in the d-beat way). It's all very theatrical.
Luke Kelly
probably because black women are the best
Caleb Morales
Death and Possessed had demos out by 84. I'm not claiming that none of these artists were influenced by punk. I'm disputing the claim the op made, that it's more influenced by punk than metal, which is just straight up incorrect.
Camden King
>That said, it's still inescapably metal i 100% disagree, look at bands like taake and ad hominem, music wise they are essentially punk bands.
>Deströyer 666 - Australian And Anti-Christ >Deströyer >666 >ö >Anti-Christ Holy shit is this fucking real? Haha How old are these guys?
Cooper Allen
>Black Metal was essentially the punk rock of early 90s Northern Europe gee billy i guess kängpunk isn't a thing and 90s swedeath bands pulled d-beats out their fucking asses
Oliver Harris
>ha ha i'm so above this
Jace Lopez
W-who's this qt?
Jeremiah Butler
t. nu-male
Lincoln Lewis
I know about Anti Cimex and that whole scene. It was comparatively a lot smaller than the black metal scene.
When I say black metal was the punk of northern Europe, I mean in terms of cultural impact. It was what rebellious kids into underground music got into. It was about "sticking it" to society. And while I disagree with OP's premise that it was more punk than metal, a lot of the bands were very punky, notably Carpathian Forest.
Also, the black metal/crust division is pretty blurry in Sweden. Bathory and a lot of the early BM bands were heavily into Discharge and especially Amebix. Check out Amebix's No Remorse EP, it sounds like proto-proto-black metal. With Martyrdöd, pretty much the biggest modern Swedish d-beat band, it's hard to place where crust ends and melodeath begins.
powerviolence is alright but mostly gay nowadays $LAMZ are actually the epitome of masculinity
Jackson Ross
I'm not even trying to say some black metal isn't actual metal. with bands like mare erythraeum and forest silence it's undeniable. but then you put on some ad hominem and it has so little to do with metal that you might actually be a retard if you disagree.
Slam is shit and the only person I ever knew into poweviolence was my daddy issues ex gf.
I'm OP but ironically, the best slam came from a metal band in disfiguring the goddess.
Parker Howard
Thats not a strawman, thats a person who is highly respected in th black metal scene and a pioneer. Thats varg vikernes man google him
Logan Cooper
Slam is for numales, real men listen only to reek of putrefaction
Owen Miller
I actually think Amebix's role in the formation of extreme metal is extremely overlooked. Pretty much every early black metal band, from Bathory to Celtic Frost, was heavily into them.
Musically, what they essentially did was combine the driving, heavy Motörhead sound, and combine it with the dark tribal atmosphere of Killing Joke, and the rough, scratchy zero-production style of Crass. The result is basically the rawest, nastiest take on the Motörhead sound imaginable, but with a kind of imaginative, apocalyptic feel. I don't know that black metal or grindcore would've been possible without them.
Juan Jenkins
if you're getting your shit from google that means you are a fucking tourist who has nothing to do with this shit. get the fuck out already
Isaac Nelson
>Luis cachet >highly respected
Luke Ortiz
He's largely considered a joke now aside from 90s burzum. he's also denounced the black metal scene many times.
Brayden Sullivan
terror suck, i was expecting TUI with the way you spoke. I've got some good beatdown though:
He’s one of the few worthwhile human beings from the original Norwegian scene
Juan Howard
It's a very interesting take. I regret only having listened to them superficially. I think I'll go back to them these days and explore them more
Gavin Foster
this 150%
Zachary Davis
fenriz is a drunk who thinks every generic speed metal album is the best shit ever
Leo Thomas
Maybe if you listened to something outside of atmospheric bm you would get some solos
Nathaniel Ross
But to be fair he only became a black metal artist after euro introduced him to it. In the end euro was the mastermind behind norwegian bm
Aiden Lee
That's what makes him cool
Levi Ross
Nice one soyboy
Lucas Hughes
>euro was the mastermind behind norwegian bm yeah it was that try hard, not peple like quorthon.
Jordan Sanchez
It's the "lots" part that is wrong, at least for traditional 2nd wave bm fag
Nathan Walker
Bathory was thrash metal, get over it
Charles Lewis
I listen to a lot of post bm ontop of 1st and 2nd wave, i rarely hear solos either.
Caleb Cooper
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Jason Reed
m8 shut the fuck up you're an idiot
Juan Hill
If you seriously don't see how bathory are a thrash metal band you are a faggot who knows 0 about metal and jacks off to /metal/ memes about the return. Of course bathory were good and influential but mayhem were the band which kick started norwegian bm, for good or bad, and it's a totally different thing, sorry you don't actually listen to the music and are in it only for the memes
