Debussy was based, he was onto the kraut problem youtube.com/watch?v=zIXGGn1rVas >Jesu! Infant Jesu! >Do not go to them >Don't go back to them ever >Punish them all! >Avenge the children on France!
Austin Walker
>jazz Ravel yuck
Chase Long
And Stravinsky was a literal nazi
Mason Johnson
large government subsidies because you can't get rich exporting snow, crippling depression and memes
Isaiah Adams
He literally wasn't. Perhaps you meant figuratively, or in agreement with, or sympathetic to.
Grayson Reyes
to be fair yes but no composer ever incorporated managed to incorporate Jazz so tastefully as Ravel.
Liam Harris
>rich in soy >Stravinsky fuck off you clueless idiot Stravinsky was the beacon of masculinity in classical music in the 20th century
he literally thinks Stravinsky is for soyboys because that Opera company cast a black woman in the lead. Igor never would have stood for that shit.
Elijah Williams
>crippling depression
But I read a global survey that said Finns were among the happiest people on earth.
John Miller
No he was not, this is forgery. Seems that this rumor was born in the 30s, on the basis of his sympathy for Mussolini, whom he met once. But in reality it wasn't uncommon, many prominent (and rather clever, see Merezhkovsky) Russian immigrants liked Mussolini for certain reasons, and all regretted it bitterly after the war. Hitler was a different story altogether.
Michael Walker
>implyng there is something wrong with being fascist
Get the fuck out of classical general, and never come back unless you learn what negative dialectics means, or else risk being outed as the true traitor and whore of the white race. This is not your meme-friendly shitpile where Sup Forumstants safely squirm through life.
Parker Carter
Stravinsky is just boneless Rameau.
Ian Barnes
what's with all these Stradigits?
Kayden Adams
How can something this chaotic be this comfy?
Cameron Parker
they export it, weaponised as memes, leaving behind only catharsis
Gavin Long
I knew downloading all these apustajas was fucking up my brain.
Nathaniel Reed
*modulates by an augmented 4th*
Colton Taylor
Petzold
Asher Collins
Is there a music theory book that introduces concepts chronologically, with historical commentary, explaining the problems they were developed to solve?
I don't think you know the Nazis had racial laws. : / Nothing as anti-soy as some faggot spamming naked pics of him on the internet. youtube.com/watch?v=DFTszVZ0v34
yeah you fool, gay people are literally the opposite of soy >soyboys are someone who's so desperate for attention of females that they deliberately pussify themselves in order to come across as being "sensitive nice guys", can never achieve this and end up being plain wimps
what is the loudest instrument in the orchestra by decibel, excluding memes like gong? Is it the trombone, the bass trombone, the timpani?
Oliver Johnson
Anyone know where I can get the individual parts for Shostakovich string Quartet no 8?
Ryder Cooper
>the kraut problem if you see a people enriching the world with beautiful music for centuries as a problem, I pity you
Anthony Russell
no you bloody fool, the Cage's idea is, the sound of traffic = Beethoven's and Mozart's music
William Watson
>not Gershwin >knocking something qt Martha touched with her fingers
Levi Lee
was Stravinski jewish? the Nazis had no laws against other nations
Alexander Cruz
No, he says his favorite form of musical expression is silence, which in today's world is traffic. And then says it's always different, unlike Beethoven's and Mozart's music.
Dominic Foster
Gershwin incorporated Jazz blatantly. Ravel created an amalgam of jazz and classic. In my opinion Jazz is the successor of impressionism aesthetics anyway, so the whole terminology doesn't make a lot of sense
Nolan Davis
anybody can say this edgy shit. Instead of considering whether traffic noises are beautiful or not I rather listen to something that mirrors the psychology of someone who's really interesting to me, like some Beethoven
To my ears, that piano is blatantly jazz. Like to the point 3 or 4 minutes in it even reminds me of Rhapsody in Blue. Also jazz came from blues, gospel and ragtime youtube.com/watch?v=79xeGcBBdf4 it wasn't until later on it started borrowing from impressionism and other classical music.Though I guess to Ragtime borrows from classical music, but I also think it's somewhat impossible (at that time) to not borrow from European Classical music somewhat. But I get what you're saying about it being the aesthetic successor
Jeremiah Allen
>tfw a Finn and I'm ashamed that my fellow countrymen produce this garbage.
Daniel Gonzalez
It's the digits speaking to us, telling us he truly is the last G*d composer to have lived.
Jonathan Nelson
are you, dare I say, brain-dead?
Robert Flores
For me, it's P.D.Q. Bach
Nicholas Parker
I was actually going to put "least of all Gershwin" in that very sentence, possibly withsseveral set of parentheses around his name
Camden Brooks
Stravinsky was a slav and the Nazis had laws against Jews, gypsies, slavs and other nations. In fact Stravinsky's music was banned in Nazi Germany. Hindemith, Weill, Gershwin, Adams and Shostakovich all incorporated jazz much better than he did.
Samuel Johnson
No.
Nathan Ramirez
well who cares, he was an idiotic faggot and musicc would probably be better off today if he'd never existed
Thomas Taylor
>Adams
I see you are a man of jest
Benjamin Flores
yeah, he's the only good (((((one))))
Wyatt Harris
>the Nazis had laws against Jews, gypsies, slavs and other nations if you're talking about the Nuremberg laws, they were only against jews
David Nguyen
Dude all they had were Bach, Beethoven, Brahms, Wagner and Schumann, it was shit after that and before
Ayden Roberts
>all they had implying this isn't enough. Besides that, there were Händel, Schubert, Richard Strauss, Schönberg, Hindemith, Haydn, Buxtehude, Petzold, Pachelbel, Mendelssohn and Mozart just from the top of my head
Justin Diaz
Oedipus rex is seriously shit and Stravinsky should feel bad for writing that neoclassical garbage
Mason Cooper
>Austrians and Imports >Germans
>Richard Strauss, Hindemith, and Pachebel >good
Luke Hall
imports? >Austrians sigh, this discussion again
Liam Lopez
Handel was an Import, and Austrian music is very different from German
Aaron Myers
if anything Händel was an export. Germany and Austria didn't exist as separate nations in those days. At least Mozart talked about himself as German, and Debussy and anybody else wouldn't distinguish between Austrian and German music, but call every music from German speaking countries German
Jordan Harris
>(1/2)
Isaiah Torres
>listing the fucking Petzold meme in your defense of German composers I prefer German works too but come on.
Owen Edwards
yeah you're right. He should have listed Liszt instead.
>Dude all they had so, what did other nations have?
Jonathan Carter
Mozart's style was Italian, Bach was French/Italian influenced. German music didn't really begin until Weber and Beethoven, and peaked with Brahms and Wagner, everything after that was crap
Liszt was Hungarian, and even stated that Germanic music was stale, for the exception of Wagner.
Camden Long
Do you guys have a newfag chart for different genre's/era's? I want to get into piano sonatas but I have no idea where to begin.
Jeremiah Parker
Beethoven's the best ones are 6, 8, 14, 18, 21, 23, 25, 26, 29, 30, 31 and 32
Camden Sanders
>Mozart's style was Italian, Bach was French/Italian influenced.
Mozart and Bach both wrote music to German lyrics. the fact that they were influenced by music of other nations doesn't make them less German.
>German music didn't really begin until Weber and Beethoven, and peaked with Brahms and Wagner,
that was when 'music of the nations' became a meme worldwide and Germany had its share. But that doesn't mean there was no German music before that.
>everything after that was crap
well, you seem to be a pleb or at least deprived of any musical talent. what can you say against Liszt and Strauss?
>Liszt was Hungarian, and even stated that Germanic music was stale
Liszt and the press wanted to let him look exotic and Liszt didn't like Germany that much, I guess. But he was a native German speaker. Would you call someone Hungarian, who couldn't speak more than a few Hungarian words all his life? Besides that, his mother was German and his father changed his name from 'List' to 'Liszt' only a few month befor Franz's birth, because the Hungarians would pronounce it 'Lisht'
Ian Diaz
the thing is: there are no bad Beethoven sonatas. 6, 14, 21 and 25 are probably the best for newbies, though
Luke Perry
These books do. They are very dense though, 4000ish pages in total. I've only read 100 pages, but those 100 pages did exactly what you are searching for. Starts out with the first written notes from gregorian chants, explains the social functions, history and theory behind it.
John Jenkins
>what can you say against Liszt and Strauss? The former is great and the latter is shit?
>Liszt and the press wanted to let him look exotic and Liszt didn't like Germany that much, I guess. You are a fucking idiot, but I guess that just comes with liking Strauss. Liszt was a Hungarian nationalist through and through
>But that doesn't mean there was no German music before that. There really wasn't, French and Italian music were more distinct, such as the concerto and suite, Germans never really had a form of their own
Lucas Torres
>the latter is shit? no >You are a fucking idiot thanks >Liszt was a Hungarian nationalist through and through so much that he even couldn't speak the language? >French and Italian music were more distinct, such as the concerto and suite, Germans never really had a form of their own I don't get why adapting a form means that nothing original can come from it. why is everybody listening to Bach and Mozart then, if they didn't add anything of their own?
even if you'd take the undoubtetly German composers being Bach, Händel, Weber, Gluck, Beethoven, Brahms, Mendelssohn, Wagner, Schumann and Strauss it's absolutely dominant in comparison to other nations. But, as I pointed out, many more composers can be considered German. So I think my point still stands that the Germans enriched the world with their music for centuries
Owen Anderson
>student before me is an autistic 10 year old boy >i can hear him inside the room shouting NOOO REEEEEEEE FUCK YOU IDIOT >teacher is trying to calm him down >eventually it's my lesson with him >that expression of relief when he sees me and he's done with that kid I honestly can't imagine how bad it must be to have to deal with kids starting to play instruments
Kayden Robinson
>Germans never really had a form of their own only that the sonata form was invented by the latters Bachs and Stamitz in Mannheim
Argerich has a higher reputation is a Chopin winner, but the tempo in her performance seems to fast to me. On the other hand, the Dvarionaite performance seems to slow at some moments. She seems to have dismissed the stretto near the end.
I think overall the Argerich performance is better, but I like the melancholic feel the first performance has.
Wyatt Moore
>tfw Wunderlich will never record Schubert's and Schumann's complete lieder >tfw Wunderlich had to fall down stairs like a retard
Hunter Bennett
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Andrew Baker
See I wouldn't be able to unless I could fuck my qt female students/could be fucked to teach.
Logan Martin
>Dvarionaite uggo >Argerich based qt with nice tits I think we know the clear winner
Brayden Lee
what are you playing user? how old are you?
the worst thing I've heard from a music teacher is having a student hit a piano
Adrian Thompson
trombone, male, 18 I just started, so I am studying with the teacher who usually teaches the newbies.
factories smash the piano keys with hammers to make sure they can withstand everything, not even autism can dent them
Levi Adams
>underestimating the power of autism
Nicholas White
>boneless
Connor Martin
>comparing a 20th century Russian composer to an 18th century French one
How does that even make sense?
Jack Russell
Looks like a hispter
Easton Rodriguez
>Was Sibelius, dare I say, a soyboy? >Looks like a hispter So I guess that faggot's right