I thought star trek was about diverse culture and values...

I thought star trek was about diverse culture and values. Why have I not seen a character who has conservative sexual values? No virgin waiting for marraige? Why is it everyone in Trek have sex at the drop of the hat? No ensign Christian qt who is engaged to her high school sweetheart?

Because conservative values are dying out and won't make it to the future.

Federation has pretty conservative stance on genetics and are pretty pro life.

Ensign virgin gets raped by a Klingon?

Because Gene was a horny bastard who gave starring roles to actresses so he could sleep with them.

I mean Vulcans are pretty conservative sexually user. As for the whole Christian deal, all of Trek is more or less post (human) religion.

I'm pretty sure there was TNG episode with a couple like that. The dude died in the same episode.

because star trek is an enlightened future where everyone gets free education and social support. it is also focused on starfleet which is full of engineers and scientists who generally have liberal values.

The Prime Directive states that every culture must be respected and allowed to continue naturally, except human culture in opposition to Current Year values.

This is pretty unrealistic right? Alien cultures are alowed coservative and relgious values but not humans

Wasnt there an episode of Entwrprise where Archer introduces human religous leaders?

Vulcans are conservative out of necessity. They tried being liberal and almort tore each other apart.

1: because they are away for months at a time and it is difficult to maintain a long distance relationship
2: I think it is implied that long term relationships are the norm, the main characters just don't to open up relationshit plotlines.
3: some aliums are monogamous

How about Ensign Muslim and Ensign Jew?

Sisko is pretty conservative. DS9 is plenty conservative.

more like butthurt over eugenics

i guess that would happen when you deal with the prophets though

especially when they send you back to 20th century earth to experience right wingers first hand

Whats the latest news on Discovery

Conservative muslim values aren't dying out tho

Conservative serial values are tools of oppression used by the same type of people who would fight tooth and nail against things like a galactic federation or replicator in the first place.

So maybe ferengi?

>conservative values in a reality when you can do whatever you want and there is no reason to not do whatever you want

...

Id like to see a trader alien race who arent caricaturea sike Ferengi

you won't, because trying to be a "trader" in complete and total post-scarcity is ridiculous.

Except you can't tell the planet of primitives to stop murdering their children to appease the sun, or stop giant crystal creatures from massacring dozens of planets.

Everything Star Trek's liberal/socialist values stand for would lead to massive amounts of degenerate populations doing nothing productive with no constraining morals or concerns, and yet all we see is the 1% of that society, who live by strict moral codes and will willingly lay down their lives for their principles and their Federation.

It's not really post-scarcity, is it though?
They still have to mine for stuff that can't be made by the replicators (and energy sources for the reactors that produce everything else), and I imagine they still need to trade ownership of land on more heavily populated planets for quite high prices.
Imagine how much Picard's vineyards are worth. He's probably the equivalent of a modern multi-millionaire, at least.

The Prime Directive is just a non interference policy between The Federation and pre-warp civs. It's not a general, all cultures must thrive, idea. That said The Prime Directive is stupid in my opinion, but it doesn't prohibit fucking with conservative humans.

Well I mean you probably shouldn't be watching Star Trek if you're going for realism. Plus there are obvious advantages to using alien ideologies rather than IRL ones (no one has been bombed yet for their depiction of say Klingon religion) which is more than I can say for some belief systems.

I agree with you however the OP's point was that sexual moderation was not shown which is untrue.

Sexual moderation among humans. I mean Ensign Virgin can be mentored by Captain family man and chaperoned ny Lieutenant Gentleman

Since this thread is sure to attract someone who's familar with the lore. I've been watching DS9 lately and it's pretty good. But I have one overarching question that's bugged me in almost all startreks.

What is the in-universe explanation for everyone from any planet or sector speaking english/being able to communicate?

Universal Translator

they have universal translators, a small device hidden in ones ear. It's mentioned in "Little Green Men" in season 4 for starters.

I'm only in Season 2. Thanks. Seems strange that it can instantly decipher a language it's never heard before with perfect diction and there are never translation errors. How do aliens understand them?

Fuck it, it's a hand wave isn't it.

Leia was a virgin until Jabba got ahold of her

A species that's gleefully slaughtering itself will either grow out of that on it's own or die out. A third party messing with it will just cause more problems for them. See; africa.

Also people were pissed about destroying the crystaline entity because crazy-science-bitch got the enterprise after it under false pretenses. As the federation thought she wanted to open a dialogue with the impossibly ancient entity, when she just wanted to murder it.

Universal translator. Supposedly it simultaneously translates between whatever the fuck alien language the aliens are using and English. There's even a DS9 episode where alien refugees come from the Delta quadrant and the universal translator needs half the episode to figure out what the fuck they're saying so they just kind of gesture. There are plot holes, especially specific foreign words straight up not being translated (qupla' as an obvious example) but that's more or less the gist of it.

>It's not really post-scarcity, is it though?

Yes, it is.

yeah, it is, because it's somehow enough for one side to have the thing in their ear and they're both able to perfectly understadn eachother.
But there will be races that are not translator-compatible, or require an upgrade to the translator

I thought the Universal Translator was kind of telepathic device?

You've started Star Trek with the wrong series. Stop right now and watch TNG first. That will explain any further questions you may have about the science of Star Trek. DS9 is mostly a space opera.

Imagine being so desperate to feel oppressed that you feel Star Trek marginalizes your beliefs.

Gene Rodenberry is a known socialist/communist sympathizer and leaned very left.

Cosmetic genital surgery, birth control and healthcare are all much more advanced and cheaper in the future.

Yet Barclay still couldn't get any.
RIP beta uprising

The Human race in Star Trek is portrayed as perfect, hence they don't have silly conservative values or superstitious beliefs.
Humans always teach their superior culture to the aliens. Every time there's a problem, it's related to the stupid backwards culture of an alien race, and everything is good as soon as the enlightened human steps in to solve the issue.

I watched TNG, Voyager, Enterprise and TOS years ago, never got around to watching all of DS9.

DS9 is the best. So many great characters

Why all the hate on voyager? I treated it like an office comedy show.

The producers ordered half the cast to act wooden in order to make the aliens "pop".

The writers thought Star Trek is trash, that it's beneath them and an embarrassment for their careers.

The network told them to hit the reset button at the end of every episode, to avoid telling any stories that required the audience to pay attention.


It could have been so much better, if only we lived in a better world.

The only reason the right exists at all is scarcity. Meaning the only flaws win communism was it was attempted too early and socialism is just a bastardIzation of communism and capitalism.

It's some kinda microchip worn inside the ear. In the DS9 episode where the ferengi are transported back in time to 1950s earth theirs get fried up by background radiation from atomic testing so it's pretty flimsy tech.

The only reason the right exists at all is scarcity. Meaning the only flaws with communism have to do with how it was it was attempted too early. Then socialism is just a bastardIzation of communism and capitalism, taking only the worst aspects of both to create something worse than either.

I can see "right" continue to disappear and anti leftism continue to grow.

The borg were essentially left wing so it kind of fits. Resistance is sexist and racist.

What did she mean by this?
What does that body language mean???

negro everything in star trek is exactly as resilient/fragile as the episode to episode writing needs it to be.

._.

While I would agree that a post scarcity society is a requirement for communism, I would also argue that historically the force required to impose governments which call themselves communist have resulted in a non-trivial amount of deaths (cf. Gulag Archipelago).

That was a good episode. I had to laugh at their concern for people smoking.

>Humanity has evolved past believing in religion of any kind
>Still believe that human females are human male's equals

Explain this.

Why would I be part of a society that would hold me accountable to laws or social norms I dont agree with if there is post scarcity. How do you hold something like that together?

Why wouldnt people just leave and use the technology to live how they want.

If a group monopolise the technology and hold everyone else hostage to their demands there is nothing post scarcity about that society.

We all already live a quality of life similar to the one they have in star trek except we are required to work for it.

They have to work if they want more than just a roof and food. Its not a very impressive post scarcity society. Why arnt they all plugged in and exploring space with machines or living their wildest fantasies in a computer while robots take care of everything? They just kind of hang around.

if you're trying to say the future is the center, then yes. as the borg weren't just "left," they were authoritarian left. to say roddenberry was only "left" in the sense he was further left than the federally mandated "middle right" that has been standard since McCarthy.

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DS9 has a huge undercurrent of homosexuality.

The general idea is being a part holds greater benefits than being apart. so to speak in practically meaninglessly generalized terms, all a decent alliance would ask is "don't be a shit and well provide everything you need." and I don't mean in the bullshit "if you not dying, needs met," sense that collapses every "communist" entity, I mean the bottom three tiers of the Maslow hierarchy of needs.

>SISKO: Look, this is not about Vic Fontaine.
>KASIDY: Then what is your problem?
>SISKO: You want to know? You really want to know what my problem is? I'll tell you. Las Vegas nineteen sixty two, that's my problem. In nineteen sixty two, black people weren't very welcome there. Oh, sure they could be performers or janitors, but customers? Never.
>KASIDY: Maybe that's the way it was in the real Vegas, but that is not the way it is at Vic's. I have never felt uncomfortable there and neither has Jake.
>SISKO: But don't you see, that's the lie. In nineteen sixty two, the Civil Rights movement was still in its infancy. It wasn't an easy time for our people and I'm not going to pretend that it was.
>KASIDY: Baby, I know that Vic's isn't a totally accurate representation of the way things were, but it isn't meant to be. It shows us the way things could have been. The way they should've been.
>SISKO: We cannot ignore the truth about the past.
>KASIDY: Going to Vic's isn't going to make us forget who we are or where we came from. What it does is it reminds us that we're no longer bound by any limitations, except the ones we impose on ourselves.

wdtmbt

That unless you have a boot to your face, shits only as bad as you tell yourself it is.

I just think citizens in the federation have very little to show for it if it really is a post scarcity society. They seem to live in a society comparable to the nice parts of average Western cities.

I live as well as them minus teleporters and life expectancy. All I have to do is work a bit and it seems like most of them choose to work anyway out of boredom.

They meant that it's historically inaccurate.

Same as when Sup Forums watches a historically inaccurate TV show or a historically inaccurate film and complains "Hey, this shit is historically inaccurate!"

Sisko is a bit of a weirdo being that focused on race when its been a non issue with humans for, is it centuries at that point?
He has the mind set of a modern black man and how one might react to historically inaccurate shit.

All the bad shit that happened to the Irish was hundreds of years ago and they have almost completely stopped caring.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not retarded and you're talking about the people on planets.

So the idea people don't have to do a single second worth of work to get "nice city in the west" quality of life is a pretty massive difference between today and star trek. Then the people who get more (like a fuggin spess ship) do more.

"nice city in the west" is nothing special. Its not even advanced or amazing by current standards. They are supposed to be centuries ahead and post scarcity and I dont envy them. It looks kind of shit.

Well the vision was that religion was seen as old fashion, as some argued it was lead to conflict, and new medical tech makes STD and pregnancies optional.

However it is worth noting that there was still a lot of respect for such ideas, even if they were seen as old. They were still respected as part of the diverse culture and values that the federation respects.

If you watch "Balance of Terror" it is near impossible to not see the strong Christian values in how Kirk runs the ship.

Considering "nice city in the west" accounts for maybe 1% of the planet right now, that quality of life for everyone on an interstellar scale is considerably more meaningful than you're giving it credit.

NOT TO MENTION... "Nice city in the west" quality of life was essentially built around what was on display in godddamn mofuggin star trek

>Why have I not seen a character who has conservative sexual values?

According to The Motion Picture's novelization, Starfleet is considered a bunch of right-wing nutheads by the Federation at large.

That should give you a rough idea of how liberal the Federation really is.

Only if you're confusing "right" for authoritarian.

>Watched some eps as a kid while waiting for The Simpsons to begin
>Just now watching ToS as a 23 year old
Damn, this is some good shit.

Fuck off back to Sup Forums. Roddenberry was atheist and was correct in espousing those views in the show.

If your looking for Jesus shit go watch literally any network show.

Picard has like 2 love interests in the entirety of next generation.

I just watched S6E4 "Behind the Lines". What does the content reminder in this image mean? There's no mention of Morn in the episode.

they fucked up, it's in the next one I believe

That might be the next episode. They all blend together.

no, its not

Pardon the multiple replies, but, AND ANOTHER THING!

The general idea was if you provide for all of a person's physiological and physiological needs, except one, esteem, this forces them to either be okay being a useless layabout sucking off the teat of post-scarcity or go out and do something to feel good about themselves.

>spoiler-free
>gives away the ending of the episode

Actually it seems that we are going through the same phase the west went through in te last half of the 20th century.

TMP novel was some crazy shit
>Kirk doesn't know who is real dad is because humans no longer have a concept of monogamy

something else, there is a TNG episode that actually explains why all the alien's in star trek are essential people in makeup and almost no weird six legged elephant nosed things or shit like that.

>to say roddenberry was only "left" in the sense he was further left than the federally mandated "middle right" that has been standard since McCarthy.

This is exactly how I like my non-satirical opinion pieces to read.

it is on earth and in mainline federation controlled places yes.

Which one?

>While I would agree that a post scarcity society is a requirement for communism

"What sort of meaningless double-talk is this?"

There was no such thing as post-scarcity in Stalin's Russia, Mao's China, or Castro's Cuba. Are you just trying to fit in to the conversation?

The economics of a capitalistic society has won out over these forces and it is quite clearly dealing with scarcity; supply/demand on a day to day basis.

The Quickening, Rapture, among others.

There actually was an episode about the limitations of their translators

It's perfectly fine when every race more or less utilizes verbs/nouns/adjectives the same way but then you run into a species that communicates solely through (their own) historical cultural references and even making the individual words into English does nothing to explain what the fuck they're talking about

Trek was created by a bunch of atheist communist hippies in the 60s and that hasn't really changed.

That was Sheridan in Babylon 5.

I can't wait for Star Trek Discovery to air with a full on hijab wearing alcohol abstaining five times a day prayer rug wriggling strong beautiful Muslim woman that everyone else on the crew loves and respects

And every piece of dialog she has is about the wisdom her religion offers and how people in the 21st century discriminated against it

It will destroy the Trekkie fanbase forever

Islam and Buddhism are every atheist's favorite religions

Which Star Trek drink would you like to try?

I want some kanar.

Romulan Ale and raktajino.

Prune Juice

Q vs Organians vs Prophets

The Prophets ain't shit. They could have easily been killed in that possessed Cakehole episode.