Ok riddle me this, britfags. You claim that grime is not a subgenre of hip-hop and that it evolved from MCing over dance music at raves and pirate radio. But if you're MCing over a beat/song, isn't that just hip-hop?
Ok riddle me this, britfags...
Nolan Murphy
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Benjamin Gutierrez
No, I don't know why you think that. It's just objectively not true, there's no debate.
Aiden Thompson
Grime isn't a sub genre of anything. It's literally a fusion of UK Garage, Jungle, Dancehall, and Hip Hop. However modern ''Grime'' (post-2010) is just trap music with a Jafaican (Nu London) accent.
Josiah Smith
>spit random verse over any radio shit
>lug guise i maed a hib hob somg :DDD
What leads to this line of thinking?
Jose Myers
And yet, young grasshopper, where does "MCing" come from, there isn't anything to be master of ceremonies over in your 'hippety hop'.
Colton Turner
No MCing over a riddim is an element of Jamaican soundsystem culture, which has been fused with British underground dance music for 25+ years.
Kevin Gray
Why would British people just take Jamaican culture like that?
Aaron Gonzalez
You could ask the same thing about American pop music taking in Hispanic/Puerto Rican influences. Or South Korea KPOP LITERALLY copying West Coast/Hollywood Pop music and culture.
Thomas Peterson
Because there are a ton of Jamaican immigrants in England and most people producing and consuming dance music with ragga/sound system immigrants had Jamaican heritage?
Henry Powell
>britfags ITT acting like grime would even exist if not for American hip hop
Fucking delusional
Nathan Smith
>You claim that grime is not a subgenre of hip-hop and that it evolved from MCing over dance music at raves and pirate radio
By that logic Spiderland and Laughing Stock cannot be considered the same genre. Same with The Modern Dance and Chairs Missing or any other musical development that came about in separate regions from different origins.
Alexander Clark
hehehe the coloniser has become the colonised.
Brody James
And Rock music wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Country, Blues, and Jazz. This doesn't mean we go around calling Rock music a subgenre of Country. Otherwise, everything would be a sub genre at this point.
Cooper Moore
We might as well call it all classical, maybe nu-classical for the stuff that hasn't stood the test of time yet.
Juan Taylor
grime is the sound of a generation of uk producers who failed at making garage/dnb
Liam Martinez
Rap came from Jamaicans going to USA though.
IDK as long as I don't have to hear it its cool,bring back dub reggae & screw grime its criminal trash.
Jose Phillips
Amerifags acting like they invented MCing
Dominic Turner
not really. maybe ukg but not dnb. ppl were generally worn out in regards to dnb/jungle by the early 2000's. unless u were a through and through raver or something.
Nathaniel Price
A lot dnb people made garage tho
And a few dnb mcs went grime later
Mason Brooks
>search up grime instrumental
>it's basically trap music
youtube.com
explain yourself nigel
Nathaniel Parker
When Jamaicans immigrated to the USA, they combined their musical influence with American culture and music to create hip-hop.
When Jamaicans immigrated to the UK they combined their musical influence with British culture and music to create electronic genres like jungle, garage, and eventually grime.
They are related which is why they sound similar, but grime did not originate from hip-hop. It has the same origins as hip-hop.
It's not that complicated.
Jaxon Wilson
well yes because dnb was a dead end for the wider populous of club goers at that point. not because they "failed" at making dnb tunes.
Josiah Flores
And if you searched up house music you'd get some Monstercat shite, not Trax records
What's your point?
Jordan Jenkins
Is talking blues "spitting a random verse" of something. And thus is it hip hop?
Levi Morris
Grime instrumentals are stuff like this:
youtu.be
Evolved out of 2-step garage, though retaining some of the bassweight of jungle->speed garage, emerged side by side with dubstep
Caleb Davis
no because MCing started over reggae in sound systems in Jamaica then London.
Eli Brown
>But if you're MCing over a beat/song, isn't that just hip-hop?
no.
it's jazz
Sebastian Cooper
You have to hear a good dub soundsystem to understand that, back in the late 70's/eighties a lot of people got hooked, all races. Before the crust dude weed cliche took hold.
Henry Myers
I have no idea what your sayig