>"Dude like time is weird I'm to sure it's linear lmao" right at the start of the movie.
The aliens are fucking 4th dimension time wizards aren't they?
Renner is the father and her daughter isn't born yet.
It's basically fucking Interstellar isn't it?
Guess I was to intelligent for this one.
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Amazing, you managed to understand the movie's themes which were laid out in an incredibly simple and obvious manner.
No, it isn't "basically fucking Interstellar". It's nothing like Interstellar. Fuck that movie, and fuck this one too for oversimplifying the original story's concepts about determinism.
It did a lot of the things Interstellar was trying to do without insulting the audience's intelligence the way that Nolan does I guess.
>too intelligent for this one
>lists the the obvious plotlines as if he had figured something out that everyone else hasnt
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>No, it isn't "basically fucking Interstellar". It's nothing like Interstellar.
Sorry but it basically is, the movie at least; and that's what I experienced.
Whatever message the book might have had gets completely drowned out by how fucking clever this movie thinks it is. The ending is nothing but a giant "made you think huh?" even though the whole time shit was hilariously obvious.
really made you think, huh?
The only thing this movie had in common with Interstellar was that both involved creatures with a nonlinear perception of time. I'm sure you could make a huge list of sci-fi movies that do this.
I 100% agree with the rest of your post though.
>the twist are the only thing that matter in a movie
lmao you will never stop being a pleb
how does just learning a language make you predict the future
Sadly that "twist" is the only thing this movie hanged it's hat on.
Whatever interesting themes the movie seems to potentially be exploring gets dropped for more generic fucking time travel shit. Really sad because it started out as something really special.
IT doesnt, its Just a stupid story made UP by someone. Anything can make You do anything becuase someone said So in his story. Stop overanalyzing stupid shit You autist.
They handwave it away with "languages shape the way we think" basically.
It isn't, how dumb can you be?
First post best post shoulda been the last post
A Sci-Fi movie this self-fellating deserves to be in the same class as Interstellar.
People who think this shit is somehow higher brow than Interstellar are fooling themselves, it's just a bit less cheesy.
Interstellar?
It's a different scenario. In Arrival, the provision of the language will act as an evolutionary paradigm shift that will supposedly intrinsically alter and advance the human species. The first use of this is immediate, with the phone call. Man becomes fourth dimensional beings that perceive all time simultaneously, as all time literally is.
The role of the aliens in interstellar is the provision of the black hole data. It provides a fundamental understanding of gravity and an ability to manipulate it, which allows for the extension of the human species toward a new frontier, also a paradigm shift, as well as intergalactic space travel. In this case, the paradigm shift is not species wide. Specialists maintain the technical complications of the field.
Arrival's theses are far more bold than Interstellar's. By having the phone call be the first fourth dimensional experience, it advocates for communism, in that the entire species will be acting collectively for the common relative good. The individual officially becomes a function of the species, and within the absolute confines of time; which, according to the aliens, would then allow for the thousands of years of advancement that the aliens are seeking.
Really a mindfuck. Solid film.
I can't remember the last time a movie dropped the ball as hard as Arrival.
It starts out wonderfully, and hints about the time travel stuff quite well; but you don't really mind because the movie gives off this impression that it will be exploring a ton of other stuff and have more to it.
Then it doesn't, and the movie is really just what you thought it was gonna be. Super anti-climatic.
>The aliens were non linear
False otherwise they wouldn't of needed to turn up.
???
There is no time travel in Arrival. It's all superstring theory paired with evolutionary biology.
Man shifts from the third dimension to the fourth.
In layman's terms that's called Time Travel user.
Time travel is folding between dimensions. If you shifted from the third dimension to the fourth you'd simply experience the entire span of your mortality simultaneously, no longer inhibited by the confines of the nature of past, present, and future. You couldn't hop back to 1876.
That would be time travel.
I don't even care if your a man but i'd love you to pound my ass with nerd glasses on while talking sexy science like that
Theoretical physics is fun like that.
>people keep saying there is time travel in the movie
fucking STOP!
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yes, everyone with a functioning brain is well aware there is no time travel in the movie. The fact that retards think there is whats killing me.
Even worse is the retarded head cannon shit or the one post I saw that said "the daughters scenes are pointless"
is this an all time great film? no, but it was a nice little uplifting watch. its a hollywood movie the fact that there was anything unusual at all in the movie is basically the best you can hope for
No, one is simply BEING and one is hurdling through the fabric of time and space lmao
But whatever
Has there ever been a movie that's more effective as a pleb filter?
>remember something that happened a long time ago
>according to this user I just time traveled
It wasn't even trying to be intelligent every one got it you're not smarter for understanding non linear time. In my opinion it was interstellar but good.
>walk out of the theater
>hear a mid 20 something guy saying
>"so I don't get it. Her daughter wasn't born yet? Then how did she know what happened? What a stupid movie"
That guy is more intelligent than the average poster on this board
you guys realize the "aliens" in interstellar were future humans right?
Also have you guys seen interstellar recently? they virtually have zero themes in common
Interstellar was also dogshit
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>that one scene where the main character is travelling through the 4th dimension but they're playing it up like its a race against time
made literally no sense
Remember that time when they waste like 20 fucking years checking out a planet for habitability that's right next to a fucking black hole?
>future humans can time travel
>they can only communicate with gravity??
>"harnessing gravity"
>"we have to solve this equation? or something?"
>"data from the black hole?"
seriously what the fuck was one person writing that shit thinking. "powered by love" is actually one of the least egregious lines in the movie
I agree OP, for me the movie failed to deliver. It was building up quite nicely, but in the end it was simply all about time and how we perceive it, which was rather dull. I would have thought differently if it had explored the aliens a bit more and their origin, while also better captivating the feeling of threat had the Chinese attacked.
I can't believe some people claimed it was on 2001 : A Space Odyssey's level.
this. for all the psuedo science on star trek, I never minded it because at least they tried and didn't directly make affronts to the viewers intelligence.
Why does this board hate arrival so much? It was a decent film even though it could have been better, the score was also epic
It's far more intelligent than whatever autistic piece of garbage you would've produced if you had the resources.
The aliens had a means of folding the fourth dimension through the fifth (superstring theory) to allow him to communicate a message to his daughter, an action that he always did and always was meant to do. "Love" acts as the exploit-- his relationship to his daughter allows her the faith to trust in the watch.
Nolan doesn't spell it out for you. Interstellar is smarter than you realized.
It's based on a lot of real quantum theory and lingustics. It's a pretty smart film.
>me and how we perceive it, which was rather dull. I would have thought differently if it had explored the aliens a bit more and their origin, while also better captivating the feeling of threat had the Chinese attacked.
It's not about the aliens. It's a film that is 100% about people, and a tale about a weapon strong enough to bring the walls between us down.
>real linguistics
nigga name ONE fucking linguist who will tell you that learning a new language will let you time travel.
why the dahyun though
You're fucking retarded. There is no goddamn time travel in this movie. The language lets you perceive time SIMULTANEOUSLY. Past, present, and future no longer exist post-alien event for mankind.
They leverage the linguistic angle because it's commonly believed within the linguistic community that different languages wire the human mind in different ways. They then take advantage of the goddamn science-FICTION genre label to state that in this story, that rewiring allows for man to transcend those limitations.
Man stops being 3rd dimensional beings with a limited scope of the fourth dimension. Man becomes fourth dimensional beings and experiences all time at once. Read the fucking thread.
>muh genre fiction
Just fuck off. There was no need to explore the aliens or pointlessly indulge in world war shit. The story is focused on a fairly simple hypothetical situation (what would you do if you knew your entire future?) from the perspective of a linguist trying to understand an alien race, and nicely closes it by having the MC decide to live her life as she sees it. Go watch Firefly again if you want sci-fi hijinks.
this
I agree with the general message of your post but the theory of language re-wiring your brain is mostly debunked now, at least its strong version, while the weak version is still being argued.
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>Almost 2000 + 20 - 3
>Being a phoneposter
I was just watching an interview Screen Junkies did with some Ph.D about Arrival and he mentioned it. I'm not a linguist so I won't argue, but regardless it's a tried and vigorous idea that manages to breathe life into the film. Nice ideas and great presentation of them all over
I love both movies, but I have to agree. Oversimplifying is a fucking cancer on todays film industry.
You have autism.
>almost 2017
>doing 2000 + 20 - 3
just end your life, man
trips of truth
Noice
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>oversimplifying determinism
It's an overly simple concept that relies on a whole bunch of assumptions we can't even know are accurate and some misinterpretations of basic physical concepts to begin with.
Get mad about that, faggot.
>Fuck that movie, and fuck this one too for oversimplifying the original story's concepts about determinism
How exactly did it oversimplify it? The essence is still there, when Louise asks Ian if he knew he knew how his entire life would unfold if he would change anything. Then we see that events start to unfold which will lead to the precise end that Louise had foreseen with nothing changed.
I thought the movie was pretty great, almost teared up at some parts due to the epicness (even though I'd read Ted Chiang's short story beforehand).
It wasn't perfect of course. I don't know why they had to include some lame time paradox thing (the Chinese guy's phone number), and the whole emotional kissing stuff went on for far too long at the end, but otherwise it was a great movie desu familia.
Nothing like Interstellar where the only good things are the visuals
Keep in mind this is an alien language that doesn't symbolize speech unlike natural human languages.
I'm not saying it's super realistic, hell, from a fundamental perspective I think you could even say that the whole premise of the movie is flawed since hard determinism isn't possible due to the inherent stochasticity of fundamental particles, but the thing is that the plot flows organically from the premises in the movie, enough to make you suspend disbelief. At least it did for me.
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