Why are middle aged American women always the worst character in their respective tv shows?

Why are middle aged American women always the worst character in their respective tv shows?

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The same could be said for middle-aged female characters in general. It's just that only America makes television anyone bothers watching.

But to answer your question, I have no idea. It's like writers always have his masochistic need to write in bitchy female characters that do nothing for the plot but shriek and moan at the protagonist.

because they already shit out a few kids and thus no longer have any purpose in life outside of making everyone else feel as self loathing as they do

Carmela was a great character though

He said middle aged not elderly

Carmela is an exception because Tony's sister takes the cake.

Biggest offender is pic related though.

That's middle aged women for you.

Carmela was shit though. She didn't bring anything to the table but act as a foil to bitch about perfume on Tony's clothing.

>Janice Soprano

>do nothing for the plot but shriek and moan at the protagonist.
There are a few theories, which I will share with you.
a.) Marriage in the US leads to intense mutual dissatisfaction (especially after the first few decades), in which both partners are thoroughly bored with each other, but their mutual obligations keep them together.
b.) Women start off hot and attractive, but as they age, their interest in sex diminishes, but they continue to make demands, becoming a worse and worse and investment (redpill manchildren like this theory a lot)
c.) Jewish writers, attempting to erode the foundations of white, christian marriage, by showing it as worse than it is. (Sup Forums theory)
d.) It's accurate. Have you spent time living with a middle aged women? Worst people on earth.
e.) Writers have mommy issues and cannot into women

Those are the major ones.

>Character makes a viewer experience angry emotions
>GRRR THIS IS A SHIT CHARACTER I DON'T LIKE THIS FEELING >>::(((
It's like you people are retarded teenagers from Myspace

Come meet a few of our overripe prized betties and you'll find out.

Option C makes the most sense, although there are certainly elements of all the other ones too. But the idea that marriage will make you unhappy is just bullshit jewish propaganda, that sadly, many have fallen for. Thus leading to all this MGTOW MRA redpill manosphere manchild bullshit.

propably all right

Kim Wexler is the best female character ever
>cute but not just eyecandy
>smart but not annoying
>not a bitch like skyler
>strong and independent but not in a MUH WOMAN way
she's just, cool

She is also child free. Maybe that says something.

Sup Forumstard detected. Do you even know any middle-aged married couples?

>win multiple awards for your acting
>people say arguments between Tony and Carmela triggered them and reminded them of their parents fighting at a young age
>whitecaps quite possibly the best in the series
>didn't bring anything to the table

Dem pencil skirts she wears hnnnrrrgg

You might have noticed almost every character in breaking bad was entirely without personality. Now imagine a character who's only point in the plot is to hinder the main character, but cannot do so using law enforcement.

Yeah. They're a lot happier than all the alienated loners who forwent children to become beta MGTOWs and crazy cat ladies.

>I'll take false dichotomies for 100, Alex.

Best post ITT.
Skyler was the only "well written" character in that show.

>if I say fancy words I'll win!

My argument is that hollywood loves to portray marriage as being horrible in order to trick regular people into thinking real life is like the loveless bullshit you see in movies, in order to keep people estranged. So pointing out that the "wow, marriage sucks! I'm better off just staying single and not getting married or having kids!" logic fails when you consider the fact that the people who are single at that age are all miserable cunts on both sides.

A character being written in such a way as to incite hatred from the viewer doesn't mean I'm not going to hate that character. A character can be well-written and still be the character that you hate the most in a TV show.

she also has great soles

Skylar was a shit character, she had zero depth and was acted terribly. Carmela is what skylar was meant to be

>dichotomy
>big word
>okay then
I agree with some of you are saying. I am just pointing out that adulthood can be more nuanced than that. Beyond the two options you discuss, there are also people who are not estranged from each other, and live fulfilling lives without being married with children.

I also think some of "take my wife, please" trope is just for easy laughs. Most people, after enough years of marriage have fantasies of being single and free, even if they never act on these fantasies.

It is a part of escapism, in which entertainment can express the discontent (however subtle) which accompanies being in any arrangement for that long, even if it still a loving and fundamentally reassuring relationship.

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It was ironic, as if to say that you thought dichotomy was a big word that would make you sound smart.

Regardless, I think we're in agreement for the most part. I'm specifically referring to portraying marriage as shit in order to dissuade young people from getting married and having kids.

Escapism is valid, but a lot of the angsty loveless marriage shit we see in modern dramas is not escapism in the least.

because middle aged women are the worst people in the world next to muslims and faggots.

Easy way to have some drama in your shitty SOAP.

I agree that it has become a very lazy trope.
I wonder if some of it is a backlash to the early decades of TV where the families were run by a strong patrician who had his shit together, and provided moral and financial leadership for the women and children under his care.

Then the 80s happened, divorce rates skyrocketed, and King of Queens and that general shitty formula became easy money.

I don't think people go tired of having a wholesome family portrayed in movies. I think the jews who run hollywood/TV/etc pushed for portrayals that would undermine traditional values like marriage.

>Why are middle aged American women always the worst character in their respective tv shows?

for realism purposes

I get that jews are overrepresented in Hollywood, but do you really think that entertainment has that much responsibility for people's life choices?

Anecdote: I have met numerous women (mid 30's range) who were super ready to be inseminated and become a family, to which I politely declined. The drive to reproduce is as stong in women as the drive to ejaculate is in men.

Besides cheating, which Walter was also guilty of, Skylar literally did nothing wrong.

She put up with Walter's shut, stood by him through cancer, lived his crippled seed, and sacrificed so much to try to hold the family together and then later so everything she could to clean up his mess and save her family.

My guess is Sup Forums is filled with under aged faggots who are some combination of products of bad single mothers, women haters, edgelords. It's funny to me the kind of people who UNronically look up to Walter as if he's not supposed to be a tragic broken character.

His wife was the only mature well adjusted adult

>I don't think people go tired of having a wholesome family portrayed in movies. I think the jews who run hollywood/TV/etc pushed for portrayals that would undermine traditional values like marriage.

Bingo. When wholesome families were everywhere on TV, it gave people aspirations. More importantly, it gave people standards. It's stupid in hindsight, but it worked. People stayed together and worked out their feelings because the people on TV did. As soon as you got shit like "Smart bitchy wife and dumb husband," it all went to shit.

Millenials are fucked because a lot of them grew up in broken divorced homes with parents that failed them (either neglect or spoiling). A lot of the MGTOW and SJW are millenials/gen x, which goes to show that broken homes = broken people.

Not him, but yes. Why do you think intellectuals shunned television

because that's what the writers are married to and they hate their wives

Anecdotes are just that. Overall trends in western society, however, are women having fewer and fewer children. They're taught since birth that it's shameful to just be a housewife, and they they should focus on careers rather than on fulfulling their natural drive toward motherhood. They're told that life is their oyster and they can do whatever they want and just have kids later on at some unspecified date. Portraying marriage as misery is just one tiny way that they seek to influence people. Other ways include convincing women to go for careers over marriage (like I said) as well as porn fucking up young men's brains. Don't even get me started on that last aspect.

>but do you really think that entertainment has that much responsibility for people's life choices?
Absolutely. It's actually frighteningly easy how you can create a false consensus and convince people of whatever you want when you control all the media outlets. To use a fairly easy example, just look at the whole gay rights thing. Over the course of just a few years, consensus swapped from being anti-gay-marriage to being pro-gay-marriage. It happened essentially overnight, in the grand scheme of things. So what the hell happened? Well, they put out a ton of media like Will & Grace designed to normalize homosexuality and portray them as being literally no different than a straight couple. Multiply this across dozens and dozens of pieces of media, and people got comfortable with the idea of gay marriage. Joe Biden even acknowledged that the jews SPECIFICALLY did a great job in convincing the masses to accept gays.

Note that I'm not putting out an opinion on gays one way or another. I'm just saying that this was an example where the jews were able to totally swap people's overall opinion through media.

I really liked Skyler on Breaking Bad. I hated her the first season because the exciting parts were Walter discovering and building his second life and not dealing with his shitty kid and nagging wife, but she grew into a badass in her own right.

Then when I revisited the first season again, I realized she was always a bad ass.

marriage is a fucking meme

when did he cheat on her

breaking bad was shit

Most TV shows have a man as the main character. Maybe it's because men write the best TV shows and they tend to write them with male protagonists because it's more natural to write what you know.

As a result the man tends to be the wildcard and the woman is the straight man or foil to him. The man's actions can vary widely; becoming a drug kingpin, terrorist sleeper cell, to just plain being a comically stupid oaf at all times, but either way the wife is there to shake her head and get pissed.

Stories require conflict. People rarely write stories about perfect marriages, or perfect couples; these relationships being so important, writers love to add tension into them so that we never think the characters are truly "safe."

On the real though I deal with ages 18-90 at my job. The worst people to deal with are boomer women. They're the most likely to scream or cry about anything. Maybe it's just menopause but they are by far the most insane of any demographic.

>porn fucking up young men's brains. Don't even get me started on that last aspect.
Please go on
You sound like you aspire to a return to traditional gender roles, which is a logical backlash to the decades of popular depictions of ineffectual husbands, mainstream normalizations of former perversions, and modern ambiguities.

>As soon as you got shit like "Smart bitchy wife and dumb husband," it all went to shit.
You mean for as long as media has existed, or whenever you were born and started seeing that during your only legitimate frame of reference for society?

The "dumb husband bitch wife" thing happened because it was satirical. It's a joke everyone can relate to either because of how absurd it is for their hardass dad to be a silly idiot, or because their father is closer to being that idiot than the Andy Griffith type on tv.

Most women are programmed to have fun for the first part of their lives and then get something for themselves and cling to it in the second with no real brainpower involved. Sure, some enlightened individuals are not like that but majority is.

And it's not like men are better either. Chodes listen to big brother because they think that will get them the pussy which they think is the end goal of their lives and then are confused when life goes on and just becomes shittier and getting to sign contract with you doesn't grant you eternal happiness.

Both are equally shit and need a treatment of higher quality memes.

So what other options exist?
The terror of "dying alone" is too overwhelming for most.

Pretty much, yes. I also see where our current direction is taking us.

Anyway, on porn:
- It causes men to have unrealistic expectations of 3DPDs
- It causes men to shirk female companionship altogether and go for that MGTOW bullshit
- It's addictive and causes erectile dysfunction due to men no longer being able to get it up for "vanilla" porn/sex, thus forcing them to seek out more extreme stimuli (hence all the extreme bondage/torture/gangbang/niggerdick shit that's everywhere now)
-It's directly responsible for the cuckolding phenomenon, as many men's brains have been rewired to think that seeing another man have sex with their wife is "just like having my own personal porn movie play out in front of me!"

>Most women are programmed to have fun for the first part of their lives and then get something for themselves and cling to it in the second with no real brainpower involved. Sure, some enlightened individuals are not like that but majority is.

That's not actually true. Unless by "programmed" you're referring to an (((external influence))) from the media. Because that behavior is not innate. It used to be totally normal for women to be expected to be virgins when marrying their husbands. They'd also get married at a fairly young age, and have children in their early 20s. In fact, the more sexual partners a woman has had before her husband, the more likely that marriage is to be successful.

The whole "I'm a strong independent woman who's going to party it up in my 20s and then panic and try to snag a husband in my 30s when I realize my looks are starting to fade and my ovaries are drying up" phenomenon is purely manufactured

>where our current direction is taking us.
Where is that? As a sci-fi writer, I am always interested in visions of the future.

>3DPD
>Had to look this up
>I learned something today!
Thanks, user.

Both parties becoming self-aware. Men doing shit for themselves and finding match that suits them. Women finding a mate that also suits them and not being afraid that if they will act good to him he will be confident enough to find someone better. Basically both parties developing confidence and emotional intelligence.

Well I believe that the desire to protect something that is theirs is there regardless of memes but memes are what influences the way they choose to protect what is theirs.

>the more likely that marriage is to be successful

What is a merit of successfull marriage? The lack of divorce or general sense of fulfilment and happiness? Because I don't believe that pure sexual ignorance is really a way to go, after all if hip tv shows are to be believed it's sexual deviants that have the strongest marriages. Though I do believe that proper memes and things like virtual reality experiences can reduce the number of pre-marital dicking if it's truly a goal.

Well, you have all these different seemingly-unrelated ways in which (((certain people))) are undermining western society. And the overall conclusion of all of them is the spiritual death of the west. Like white western society, and all its people, suddenly stop giving a fuck and just lay down to die en masse. So to speak. The multiple ways that they attack traditional marriage structures and child-rearing is just one aspect.

But overall, white people just stop giving a fuck. We lay down to die. Minorities flood in. We turn into a brazilified banana republic of vibrant diversity. The reason the jews desire this sort of thing is because they are always the out-group in societies, and they fear repercussions from white people for what the always do, so they destroy white societies through multiculturalism. That way, there's no one group strong enough to stand up to them, like there'd be if they were the 2% in a society that was 98% homogeneous. This way, they're just another 2% in a society that's also 4% this and 10% that and 6% this, etc.

All of this is better explained in Culture of Critique. It's a really good read.

>What is a merit of successfull marriage?
Divorce rates.

The idea that it's bad to have a virgin bride and its better for everyone to have already had sexual experience is incorrect. Statistics actually show that people who've only been with their husband/wife are the least likely to get divorced.

>Culture of Critique
The problem with anti-semites if they never bring anything new to the table.
Martin Luther (the original, not the King) was railing against the influence of the Jews in his day.
Sure, there are more jews on TV and in Movies. There are also plenty of attractive whites. There is also anime, which seems to be entirely jew-free.
I used to think the racism here was ironic, as the successes and superiority of mainstream (i.e. white) US culture was self-evident on a global scale, but the Internet has allowed for these bizarre echo chambers to really flourish.

Obviously, I am not going to change your convictions, but I find this phenomenon amazing.

The problem isn't not being virginal. Most women probably lied back in the day. The problem is promoting sexual impulse as some sort of enlightenment. It's ok to have partners growing up. It's natural and probably preferable before either sex settles down. What is probably unhealthy for most is this notion that they need to accumulate as many sexual partners as possible and begin treating other people as sex objects and seperate sex from intimacy and emotion.

>It's a Peggy episode

People have been railing against the jews for the past 2000 years. They've been kicked out of various places in europe like 700 times, IIRC. You are aware of this, but you choose to write it off as just being coincidental, as if literally everyone else are the ones with the problem. But perhaps there's something about the jews and how they behave that causes people to hate them

>Sure, there are more jews on TV and in Movies
And banks and corporations and the news and academia...
And it can't just be written off as them having higher IQs. While that is true, there are very few jews compared to gentiles. So logically if you compare the normal distributions, the sheer number of goyim would result in more goy geniuses than jewish geniuses. The real explanation is nepotism. Jews are incredibly tribalistic and nepotistic. This high in-group preference also manifests as their stereotypical subversive behavior.

>Jews are incredibly tribalistic and nepotistic.
So, as a white, I hope you are being tribalistic and nepotistic as possible to win. It is more effective than reciting the same tired "da joooz" conspiracy theories on the Internet, I would imagine.

Are middle aged American women the most accurate to reality portrayal in tv history?

>same tired

The fact that people have been saying this stuff for a long time doesn't invalidate it. I'm not really sure what you're trying to imply.

>I'm not really sure what you're trying to imply.
You probably aren't

But It does seem that Skyler was NOT jewish, nor was Vince Gilligan.

this

That doesn't invalidate anything.

But how is a divorce rate an indicator of a good life? A person can live 90 years and be depressed 70 of those years, i don't think that it's really indication of a good life. People generally want to be fulfilled and happy, not simply stable. I mean I'm happy on my own and don't understand why exactly you have to stay with someone who makes you misarable.

It's safe to say that a group of people that on average got divorced more often are probably more unhappy on average than the group of people who on average got divorced less often.

Because they're the worst character in real life too.

>hey remember all of that stuff I did when I was young and adventurous? Let's make it ILLEGAL because I have kids now and don't want them to make the same mistakes.

>what is female financial dependence
>what is "for the children's sake"
>what is side action
>what is nostalgia

>e.) Writers have mommy issues and cannot into women

so tumblr theory?

None of those things compare to feeling truly alone. Life is largely pain and choosing which pain to take.

>Life is largely pain and choosing which pain to take.
That is a shit philosophy. You should do some self-work, my friend.

Cool conspiracy, faggot. The real reason there are unstable marriages in movies is because unstable marriages = conflict. Without conflict between characters there is nothing to give a fuck about. Imagine a movie where there is a husband, wife, and kids and they all get along no matter what and nothing bad happens to them. Would you watch it? No, because normal functional people are fucking boring, you stupid fucking cunt. No one gives a fuck about "muh values."

Everything good comes from pain. A good marriage comes from accepting and enduring little pains so a greater pleasure can come of it. You are immature.

...

Doesn't explain why literally every show portrays the husband as a dumb oaf and the woman qw the too-good-for-him wife in a loveless marriage that's considering leaving him.

I keked
Have a pic of a baby animal to ease your pain.

What pleasure comes from realizing that you spent your whole life with a fuckhead with whom you stuck only because of a meme?

>It's safe to say

No it's not.

what the fuck

Oh oh! I have an explanation! Women watch more that that pleb garbage then men, so catering to them ensures higher ratings.

and you wrote this shit in a thread about Breaking Bad, show in which it's not the case.

Pretty much this. It's about catering to an audience. Shows that women watch are going to have smart women and dumb ass men as characters. Shows that men watch are going to have smart and badass men who have cunty undermining spouses.

>Imagine a movie where there is a husband, wife, and kids and they all get along no matter what and nothing bad happens to them. Would you watch it?
I would if it exploded into an incest orgy

But the incredibles was a good movie.

Accepting life has pain doesn't mean constant, pointless suffering. I'm usually in a pretty good mood.
As a marriage goes on, it tends to simplify until it becomes like any other very long-term relationship. Your parents, for example: you may have complex and deep feelings about them, but do you have deep and complex feelings about them on a day-to-day basis? You just accept each other as a fact of life. You stick together because you prefer each other to being alone and you treasure your family in worst case scenarios. Most of the time you will earnestly like and love each other.

bcause middle aged wymn finally figure out that all them males didnt laugh at their jokes or were attracted to their "pefsonalitly", they did it just to fuck them.

But as titties and ass became soggy somehow all that center of attention dissapears.
That turms fem into an vile thing(if she is well guarded behind an wedding ring,2 kids and an half of all in a court).

some poor,poor fuck is gonna see the real face of an snake.
screencap this:if shes ever gonna marry some celeb and have their kid, she is gonna JUST him so hard,diamonds will crack under photoshop/mspaint usage of said male celeb.

Drinking again, huh user?

Jesus Christ, with this meme!!
SKYLER WAS NOT AN BITCH(even when she was the worst bitch imaginable), i cant believe brba is too hard show to grasp(Walt sealed his fate in s01e01, he fucked up and crossed the line of no return in s01e01(moment they tried to sell meth to 8ball or whatyoumaycallhim,beaner kid), there was no moment later on where he could stop and just live as nothing went on.
She never did anything wrong to Walt, all her motives were targeted towards
keeping children safe, all she did was purelly for kids sake and she was right, from the start.
And this comes from an avid fem hater.

fucking her boss and using walt's money to pay her own bills (as well as buying her boss a new car) while trying to maintain the moral high ground is okay?
sure, pal

Nice post, Skyler

>when you realize Walt JR turned out retarded because she smoked when pregnant with him

Most meh part of show

>Carmela is an exception because Tony's sister takes the cake.
Can't argue with that

Wrong
>youtube.com/watch?v=qU4tlzxxGXc