Shit, guys, is it true that we will not see engineers in Covenant...

Shit, guys, is it true that we will not see engineers in Covenant? I've watched the trailer and it looks like the typical Xeno on a ship killing everyone movie. This kind of blows because I wanted to see a sequel and what happens to that woman and the engineer planet.

They only show in a flashback where David drops the black goo on all of them while Noomi is in cryosleep. Apparently that's all of the Engineer population in that planet. Bravo Ridley.

I dunno. We saw one engineer in action and honestly he was pretty stupid. If he had played his cards right he could have easily managed to kill all the humans and get off of the planet but instead he just started swinging like a dumbass and it ended up getting him killed.

Also they said that the engineer was headed to earth to kill us all but I didn't understand why?

I could live without 'em

>Also they said that the engineer was headed to earth to kill us all but I didn't understand why?
That's one of the main questions that we all wanted an answer to in Covenant, isn't it?

> that the engineer was headed to earth to kill us all but I didn't understand why?

iirc that was ~2000~ years ago when they decided the fate of humans

So that means Jesus was sent by the engineers to judge humanity, and we nailed him to a stick, so they decide humanity must go.

Why would you want to see more Mark Zuckerbergs without hair?

If thats the case ita good they nailed him to a stick. Some aliens that think they can pass judgement and wipe us out deserve to get fucked up.

Where do all these stills of engineers come from? I barely remember 1 or 2 scenes in prometheus featuring engineers, and im pretty sure none of these pics are from that

>iirc that was ~2000~ years ago when they decided the fate of humans

>So that means Jesus was sent by the engineers to judge humanity, and we nailed him to a stick, so they decide humanity must go.

It's just a theory though, a good one but still not confirmed.

I think they have cut out a lot of engineer stuff for some reason. Such a shame because I find them the most fascinating in that whole franchise.

It's a fucking shit theory and if it turns out to be true I'll die probably

Well the appearance of Jesus is the most notable thing that happened in our history 2000 years ago. So the hint is very strong, but still no confirmation. Tbh we have evolved a lot since then. Back then we had slavery and brutal public executions everywhere. Remember how that engineer was willing to talk peacefully with the crew until the old guy told him he wanted to live forever and that's when the engineer got really, really mad. So basically they don't want us to live forever.

>tfw the engineers remind me of the tfw guy

>Send engineers to destroy humanity
>Never hear back from them
>Never follow up on making sure humanity is destroyed
>for 2000 years
Hmmmmmm.....
These engineers

humans are part of a failed experiment
their experiment

Well I hoped it all will be explained in Covenant. I can't believe they left us hanging.

Maybe one of them accidentally spilled a jar of the black goop on their home world

Then the entire planet became a Xeno hive

Why do you cunts need an explanation for the engineers deciding to kill off humanity. Fill the gaps in yourselves niggers.

Well some of us just liked engineers and wanted to see more of them. See their home planet etc. Do they even have any wimmenz? Who knows...

I'll need 2 questions answered in the next trailer before I accept this new film is promising :-

1) Who created Engineers?
2) What is the bonus situation?

What motivates characters is what's interesting about them. If the moviemakers can't come up with a motivation for the bad guys then they are just video game bosses and therefore boring.

They explained already if you paid attention to the film or read the name of the film.

Could be a natural evolution.

>all the questions raised in this thread were explained but I'm not going to spend the time explaining them, just trust me they totally were
Dude just stop

Evolved from what? You expect me to believe they just became some primitive form of life from absolutely nothing?

At least we know the eggs and xenos/queen were created by 'Mother' David. That's a proper God I can get on board with.

The film draws a paralel between the humans and engineers and the humans and robots. We were created for shits and giggles. Just like Fasbergbot kills his creators the engineers fear the same possibility. See also, the title Prometheus, a story about rebellion against the creator. The 2000 years ago time frame was the beginning of advanced civilization, at which time it was time to end the human experiment.

Maybe space Jesus pitied humanity and pulled some shit on his brethren. They could all be hooked up to some kind of subspace internet and humans gave them all meme cancer, activating their killer ooz.

>music suggestion for this scene
Some of us we hide away and some of us we don't. Some will live to love another day and some of us won't.
But we all know there is a law and that law it is love. And we all know there's a war coming, coming from above.

>Evolved from what? You expect me to believe they just became some primitive form of life from absolutely nothing?
Yes, that's how evolution works. There are/were planets much older than ours. They could have evolved a billion years ago, became incredibly advanced and started creating life themselves and terraforming planets because why the fuck not.

Absolutely nothing ---------> Life(!)

>BRAVO RIDLEY

Given that they have DNA altering techniques they could have engineered themselves into their current state

so, wheres the plot leaks?

>Do they even have any wimmenz? Who knows...
this! was expecting /r/engineersGoneWild

cannot unsee

>you know those really mysterious and cool things that we saw a fleeting glimpse of in the original movie that caused us to use our imaginations to create a backstory?
>well now some hack that wasn't involved in writing the original movie is going to feature them heavily in the 11th sequel in this series

I'm sure you won't be let down one bit by it

They they could have changed themselves over time into immortals. They also look part machines.

this?

POST LEAKS DAMNITTO!

Fassy wipes out the Engineers on their homeworld then experiments with goo for years. He harvests Shaw's eggs and mixes in goo, indigenous DNA and synthetic DNA to create the xeno eggs (a reproductive cycle for his new solid acid blood lifeform). Covenant investigate his distress signal, 'Mother' David lures them for further goo/xeno experimentation. David replaces their Walter droid and betrays everyone, getting on the Covanent ship with xeno eggs and the 100s of cryosleeping colonists. The End.

>David is the main antagonist of the entire franchise. He'll end up being behind 'MUTHUR' in the 1979 film. He'll be influencing all latter androids and will be involved in Special Operations. Everything is David trying to get his babies onto his home world.

Fucking David, man.

Ridley 3 years ago:
>The sequel will not feature aliens
>The sequel will be called "Prometheus: Paradise" (or simply Paradise) and be about the survivors at the end of Prometheus finding out more about how the humans were created

Ridley a year ago:
>The sequel will feature aliens and will be called Alien: Covenant

You people whining and winging that Prometheus had no Aliens in it made Ridley completely change the script for his Prometheus sequel and now he has given us a generic "run from Aliens" movie.

Not to mention that this new version of the film would have been entierely rushed and so true love and care probably wasn't put into it.

Say what you will about Prometheus but Ridley poured his heart and soul to give us something entirely different and now instead he has dumbed this sequel down because whiners couldn't get enough of "MUH ALIENS" and nostalgia.

Well done internet. I suppose all the spoilers in the trailer were a big "Fuck you" to the version that we will never get to see.

;_; Indeed fuck the whiners. Like we need another "alien kills everyone on a ship" movie.

Judging by the Covenant trailer" that will only be the first and half of the second act and then it will be about the engineers and a lot of Fassbender experimenting on people?

Well I hope so

>Kill everyone off early
>Rest of the movie is scientific study
This would actually be kino not memeing

Fuck you for needing the Space Jockeys explained in the first place. I would rather have five more "run from Aliens" movies than the demystifying dogshit that Prometheus gave us, and I'm glad they shitcanned that direction for the sequel.

i'm not convinced that internet complaining is what changed the direction of the sequel

don't forget it took them years to crack where the story should go next after prometheus

i love prometheus despite the nitpicks but i think that, if the goal of the film was to create a parallel story that was tangential to alien, ridley and lindelof failed because they never truly diverted from the xenomorph. the black goo is designed to create xenomorphs, that's what it does, and if you take a ship full of it to the engineer homeworld then the possible stories you can tell with it all point towards xenomorphs.

going in the Alien direction is probably just an admission from Ridley's part that they had written themselves into a new corner in terms of what they could actually do with the story. as much as i regret that shaw's journey is drawing to such an ignominious end there's no way it wouldn't have led to a xenomorph outbreak anyway

i do think it was a mistake not to have shaw be the ultimate villain of covenant, having not liked the answers she got from the engineers and fucking them up with black goo before going colonel kurtz in a xeno-ridden shithole while marooning david in the process. david works best when he is of ambiguous morality, and putting him in a situation where we don't know if he wants to help the colonists, get himself out at the expense of others, rescue\kill shaw, or align himself with the aliens would have been more interesting than him being a straight-up villain imho

You are just simple minded like that monkey on your picture, or it could literally be you who knows.

>That's one of the main questions that we all wanted an answer to in Covenant, isn't it?

Prometheus confuses making random stupid decisions for mystery.

Prometheus just looks pretty enough and people suck Scott's balls enough so they pretend like he couldn't possibly make one of the dumbest movies in a very long time and that it's all leading up to something and it's all thought out.

Lost put more forethought into it, and the writers straight up said they were making shit up as they went along.

>that shot of McBride's REALLY INTENSE ACTING
This is going to be terrible

>You people whining and winging that Prometheus had no Aliens in it made Ridley completely change the script for his Prometheus sequel

This implies he thought anything about Prometheus outside of whatever random bullshit he happens to pen the day before shooting, because that movie was retarded.

If you think Prometheus' horrible script is in any way intelligent, then you calling me "simple minded" is the pot calling the kettle black.

>the writers straight up said they were making shit up as they went along.

That's been Lindleof's MO for years, and I don't know how people are still paying him to write things.

I'm calling you simple minded because you admitted to just wanting another "run from aliens" movie. Constantly wanting basically the same movie that's just set on a different ship with a different crew is as simple minded as it comes. Might as well just re-watch Alien1, 2 3.

I said that in a choice between more of the same, and something godawful that happens to be different, I would rather have more of the same. Different and good would be the preferable option, but that's not what we got by a long shot.

I'd rather have another pepperoni pizza, knowing perfectly well I've had it hundreds of times and it's unlikely to be much different, over having a literal handful of shit, just in the name of 'try something different'

Except that you have terrible taste and would watch the same "alien on a ship" movie instead of something that requires more thinking and is more interesting. Prometheus is not garbage, it was a very solid movie, but you are simple minded and would rather keep eating your stupid pepperoni pizza instead of trying Filet Mignon.

He also intentionally setup differing tiers of bonus for all Weyland-Yutani employees, playing God with thier livelihoods just to see what would happen.
>THE ABSOLUTE MADMAN

that's not really true though. i wouldn't say any of the character decisions are supposed to be mysteries.

prometheus makes people butthurt because it's a cynical film that shits on the idea of a bright and rational future for mankind. its scientists are cheap, third-rate fools dumb enough to sign on to an expedition with no questions asked. its semi-dystopian hypercaptialist setting is gussied up to look like 2001. even the film's gods were fools that destroyed themselves.

the real questions and mysteries that prometheus asks are along the lines of, why do people need faith in the face of scientific advancement, and what it would mean if god were real? the ways it plays with those questions are fascinating; for david, he knows his creators all to well, including their fallability and their callousness with the creation of life, and only he understands the futility of meeting one's creator; charlie, who wants to speak with his maker to find some meaning of life despite the answers being right in front of his face in the way he treats david; shaw, who in the face of david's cruel tests and every ounce of proof that mankind was made by aliens, still believes in god because it fulfills the emotional need that there is some point to her pain and misery- she conflates God with her dead father, as well; the scientists who lose their composure when their entire spiritual worldview is upended; weyland, the narcissistic capitalist who sees himself as a god, smited by the divine; vickers, consumed by resentment against her uncaring creator, stubbornly yet inflexibly trying to control her fate until it crushes her. the film ends with shaw and david, representing two very different views of faith and philosophy, heading off to seek more answers. these are how prometheus' mysteries relate to the characters, not dumb nitpicks you think make yourself some intelligent film critic

Ok, now you're just baiting. You had me going for a minute there.

They should have spent more time developing them. Imagine a scene where Jesus comes in peace and humans kill him as a misunderstanding or something

The studio probably got antsy.

Too bad they're really really really mistaken if they think Alien fans can be bribed with nostalgia pandering like Star Wars fans.

>Prometheus is not garbage, it was a very solid movie,

Maybe if you're talking visuals or tone or something.

The plot and characters were garbage. They were little more than place holders for CGI deaths.

Prometheus was just very pretty shit, but a highly polished turd is still a turd. There's Marvel movies that have more forethought and ask and answer better questions than Prometheus.

>Imagine a scene where Jesus comes in peace and humans kill him as a misunderstanding or something

Isn't this pretty much the plot to 'The Day the Earth Stood Still?"

>rock bottom IQ shitposter accidentally proves his illogical, contradicting shitposting is done because he obsessively shills against a writer for no reason

Every single time. muh damon lindelof, muh lost

Prometheus has a fantastic plot, it just addles the brains of anime watching alt right neckbeards because it knows how to create mystery and intrigue rather than just spelling everything out for the dumbest people alive.

just because you can identify the argument he used and call him out on it, going "you're saying thing again thats been said before" doesnt mean he's wrong or that the argument is bad

holy shit i actually kinda like prometheus but if you're gonna be this much of a fag i'll argue against it in a heartbeat, at least in this conversation.

There's a different between creating a mystery and then creating a series of random events where characters are inconsistent from scene to scene, literally no better than teens in a slasher flick just trying to move the "plot" forward, aka, set up CGI kills.

There's no base, the movie's plot is about as solid as water. Characters literally do full 180s just to get murdered.

Outside of the visuals, it's complete shit.

Mentioning the name of a writer while criticizing their work is a huge red flag that you weren't assessing the work impartially in the first place. In isolation it doesn't mean your opinion is definitely worthless, but it probably is. In the case of Prometheus it's always associated with ridiculous nitpicking that betrays in irrational obsession in the "critic," and it looks symptomatic of learning reasoning on Sup Forums. Just one way in which not banning alt right 15 year olds from your website ruins every single facet of it.

>a series of random events where characters are inconsistent from scene to scene
>Characters literally do full 180s just to get murdered.
Entirely untrue

There's no full 180s, you're just mentally retarded and you perceive everything incorrectly.

Did you ever consider that a professional script revised and looked upon by numerous experienced professionals doesn't have the flaws you claim it does, and rather the flaw is with you?

>Entirely untrue

AHHHH, A SKELETON THAT'S BEEN DEAD FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, RUN!

Oh, this giant alien snake in a dark room hissing at me like Cobra! Let me try to pet it like I'm a 10 year old trying to show off on YouTube!

Fuck off, IQs just dropped suddenly when they touched down on the planet. Maybe that's the real power, the planet makes anyone who visits IQ get cut in half.

im not the guy who made the argument but to me an even bigger red flag would be seeing one writer making the same mistakes over and over, drawing into question their competence as a writer and making it safe to assume that more such mistakes will be made in the future

>the movie is shit
>have you considered the possibility that you're shit?

He's talking about how everyone in Prometheus has no common sense. Like, why the map maker guy got lost. The map maker, of all the people. And why the biologist was scared shitless of some dead bodies, but gave no fucks about live alien snakes. And why they didn't bring any guns to an uncharted world with unspecified life because "it's a scientific mission". Or why the guy who just had unprotected sex with his girlfriend doesn't tell anybody about the worm in his eye. Or how the woman who just got an alien removed from her stomach didn't mention it to anyone or get asked by anyone about she turned up in her underpants with a surgery scar. Or how the girls at the end decide to try and outrun a rolling ship instead of stepping to the side. Everyone in the film except David was a retard, for no reason whatsoever.

Don't forget my personal favorite.

After two of his crew get stranded "overnight" in an alien structure the captain and the crew decide to go to bed and sleep it off leaving NOONE to stand guard and check on the stranded people or be on hand in case of an emergency.
Nope, nap time... see you in the morning.

Even this guy isn't as bad as the people in Prometheus, since that ship took 2-3 minutes for it to come down on them instead of 5 seconds, and they had the shadow over them, like a video game telling them where it was going to run over next and they still refused to consider moving to the side.

Rednecks 1> Prometheus top scientists 0

even that webm makes more sense since the guy running was stupid enough not to look to see where the tree was falling, which is easily explained human error

in prometheus they look at the thing and then decide to continue running away from it in a straight like anyway

>AHHHH, A SKELETON THAT'S BEEN DEAD FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS, RUN!
That was the geologist. The geologist has a meltdown over the dead body, says he's leaving to the ship, and then looks over to the biologist and asks him to come. The biologist, who wasn't freaking out, was in fact quite calm, and had been trying to make friends with the geologist said "yeah, ship's good" in a humorous tone and leaves too.

>Oh, this giant alien snake in a dark room hissing at me like Cobra! Let me try to pet it like I'm a 10 year old trying to show off on YouTube!
That was the biologist. When the hammerpede shows up, the geologist starts freaking out like he did with the skeleton. the biologist, much like earlier, is calm and not freaking out. and once again, he's been trying to make friends with this guy and goes to steve irwin with the snake to show off.

so basically, you were on your smartphone or something instead of paying attention to the movie

why even have them get lost in the first place?
why go through an elaborate scene showing how they're PERFECTLY MAPPING the ENTIRE STRUCTURE so that they DONT get lost, and then having that not matter? in a show so extensive they have their own little flying scanner droids for it, to the point of nicknaming them and making them bark, possibly to make them endearing for no reason at all other than pointless fluff?

it's not like the layout of the structure changed overnight. that would at least be kind of neat if it did. but it didn't there's no reason for them to get lost other than to force tension. god this script is so stupidly all over the place its like every sentence in the script was written by a different writer.

posts like this remind me that everyone who dislikes prometheus is legitimately retarded. not hyperbolically retarded, but actually.

>The geologist has a meltdown over the dead body
right, who could forget the iconic "I LOVE ROCKS NOT CORPSES" scene. where he literally says that.
also try reading a little more closely and realize that there is also no reason for this to have happened the way it did. why did the biologist leave with him? it wasnt established that they were friends, and even if they were why would he feel pressured? did biologist guy just think geologist's mohawk was so cool that he just HAD to get on his good side? this is grade schooler tier behavior. there was work to be done on this IMMENSE scientific discovery, why just leave like that?

The mapping was being relayed directly to the ship, so it's totally believable to think the two guys who got lost were just retracing their steps back to the entrance wdhithout bothering to have their hands held through comms with the ship.

>Like, why the map maker guy got lost. The map maker, of all the people.
The map was on the ship. He did not have the map. The away crew relied on the captain, who had the map, to give them directions.

>And why the biologist was scared shitless of some dead bodies, but gave no fucks about live alien snakes.
See >And why they didn't bring any guns to an uncharted world with unspecified life because "it's a scientific mission".
Because the away team was being led by a naive person who wanted to talk to god and thought bringing guns to a meeting with god was a bad idea

>Or why the guy who just had unprotected sex with his girlfriend doesn't tell anybody about the worm in his eye.
Some people can get in severe denial when they get sick like that. Charlie was barely able to walk when they returned for the second away mission and still in denial until Shaw insisted he was ill

>Or how the woman who just got an alien removed from her stomach didn't mention it to anyone or get asked by anyone about she turned up in her underpants with a surgery scar.
It's safe to assume Weyland and his attendants knew that she was impregnated since David was working directly for them and it was the end result of Weyland's mandated black goo experiment, and it wouldn't be hard to piece together that she had aborted it.

>Or how the girls at the end decide to try and outrun a rolling ship instead of stepping to the side.
I'd love to know how rational you would be in this situation.

You all wanted this to be some rational Star Trek shit. Prometheus shits on that. Prometheus shits on you. People are irrational, stupid, hubristic, emotional creatures, and you'd bet your ass they'd fuck up a space mission to find god.

you're on a fucking alien planet and you encounter a dead body. he obviously related to the geologist freaking out, and simply followed him.

You are an unfathomably unintelligent person and it's so clear your entire understanding of human behavior comes from watching anime

you'd think that they'd be able to get information on the structure as they're entering it, comm'd to them from the ship.
but then none of this technology is even established or explained so its pointless to argue.
if you're going to insert this element of the story the audience needs to know at least the basics of how it works. but the movie didn't do that, to the point where we're now arguine about whether the guys in the pyramid actually had a clue about the map as it was being made. and if they don't, and only the ship does, why enter the place when it's not mapped yet? why not just send in the droids to do the mapping and wait for it to be complete before going in?

Abiogenesis isn't evolution. Read a book.

>if you're going to insert this element of the story the audience needs to know at least the basics of how it works

I've only seen really shitty, really stupid people complain about these scenes so I disagree. In fact, I think catering to morons like you is exactly what makes most movies so terrible. It's why we're getting trash instead of Prometheus 2.

>a dead body
You mean an alien fossil that's been dead for ages?
Archeologists don't run away from the dig sight when they find a decapitated triceratops.

Why do you sound like you're trying to come up with excuses and failing? Prometheus shits on you? People with basic common sense? The characters in Prometheus can hardly even be called human in the way they act and go about things.

asking questions about a script is not moronic, it's scientific. if you're going to entice our curiosity at least deliver on it.

the reason why Alien worked is because it offered no such pointless things. they had a computer on board that mapped the terrain and that was that. keeping things simple is the smarter way to do this because it'll avoid giving away that you haven't a clue what you're really talking about.

>getting an explanation for something you're confused about because you're stupid
>call it an "excuse"

this is like satire

>You all wanted this to be some rational Star Trek shit.

So you admit this is utterly irrational and poorly thought out.

As in, the characters are retarded.

People have failings and shit, but this is beyond the pale.

You might as well have sent 15 year olds with no training, it might even have turned out better.

People can be trained out of this mostly, where they don't panic and go full retard at the slightest of issues. It's why we don't have trauma surgeons who freak out at the sight of blood and then try to remove a brain tumor with their eyes closed, but apparently that's the quality people you have in the Prometheus universe. Where even the most basic fundamental principals of science, safety, engineering, ect are tossed out as soon as they get in a dark room.

My personal reasoning for the characters in Prometheus acting like retards is that hyperspace is relatively new. Like they're all headfucked going from waking up after years asleep to landing in on a planet in a tiny amount of timing.

or maybe I A) paid attention to the movie and B) understand basic human emotional reactions to things?

Do you have any idea how fallible "common sense" is, even- perhaps especially- among scientists?

I really really wanted to like this movie too. The visuals and the tone are great but the script and the characters are just too broken, they're a hurdle I couldn't scale. Plus it's got the same failing that almost every film has these days, it's so rushed. The pace is harmful to the film. I think a lot of this movie was killed in editing.

>exaggerating this absurdly to push an agenda against a movie

>implying that someone would be 100% logical in that situation

my likely guess is that those two were so disturbed by the fact that they actually FOUND a dead alien who is theoretically their 'god' that they chose to dip out.

not everyone has the balls to keep going on such a mission. you're autistic to assume that someone would be level-headed in such a situation.

people manage to get lost even while following fucking google maps. it's understandable how they could get lost.

>still comparing real life examples with fucking unknown alien exploration

>you're on a fucking alien planet and you encounter a dead body.

I think it's safe to assume it isn't a zombie.