Estonians

What do you really think about us?

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I really don't think anyone should be interested in what toilet scrubbers think

Who?

>caring about what those russians in denial think about anything

Cmon

Only finnish people I've met are middle-aged buying alcohol at our harbour. So I don't really know.

This probably, many Finns just go to Tallin tbqh

I'm planning to go further maybe this summer

If you're looking a for a good party and hipster qt's go to Tartu.

Maybe they'll Tartu muh dick :DD

Tartu's one place I've tought, friend has apartment there

...on second thought just stay at the harbour.

Cai-Göran dividing our kin, as usual.

I wonder how its even possible that every third drunk drivers caught in finland are estonuans. Are every estonians driving drunk here at the same time? One nationality just cant be this trashy

>estonians

how do we stop him?

>mitähän ne meistä ajattelee?
Same goes for anyone else. People with a low selfesteem think that way

>they're estonian-russian
youtube.com/watch?v=7kh7p4cD6Qc

why finland poliisi fuck estonia??

Finns obviously don't hold themselves in very high esteem on average, given how our people have willingly cucked themselves to the Swedes and keep doing so.

They will blame the russian as usual

I was just interesred to know

Not that I have any inferiority-complex

They were speaking clear estonian in this video

You are swedes, just admit it and stop with this charade

In wich way are we Swedes?

Unless you we're just memeing

I'd unironically rather join Russia, if independence wasn't an option. The Swede must suffer for his sins.

Ivan please

A little bit of memeing and a little bit of seriousness.
You share alot of culture, history and DNA with us. We are more similair than you "true" finns would like to admit.
>The Swede must suffer for his sins.
And what sins are that?

Don't bait him. He's got a brain problem. You might literally set him off on a rampage.

Russians weren't the ones who made us a hollow people with no identity, it was Swedes. Swedes gaining from it would be wrong, they must wither and perish.

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Feudal europe was shit for eveyrone, but it was Russians who literally took us slaves more than Africans and sold to turks and arabs.

How do you have any less of an identity than the rest of Europe?

Nice refutation, cuck.

It was the Russians which took 9% of our population to slavery in just 20 years
youtube.com/watch?v=XjFglWuwn6g
>hollow people with no identity,
Speak for yourself

This thread is about what Estonians think about us. Stop derailing it with your shitty baits you spastic autists.

>You share alot of culture, history and DNA with us.

Very true but that doesn't make us Swedes, like you are not Danes for example

We have clear differences too

We never enslaved anyone, we never even forced anyone into serfdom. You were lucky to be ruled by us instead of the germans or russians.

Our forced Nordic meta-identity is based on the subjugation of our people. That's not an identity I'm willing to adopt.

But an alien Slavic identity is one you're dying to adopt

I'm not speaking for myself, but the vast majority of Finns. If you inquired about how the average Finn would sum up Finnishness, he'd reply with pohjoismaisuus, sauna, talvisota, Mannerheim, Nokia and Angry Birds. All of that, to me, is a rather hollow basis for a national identity.

I know these people are just ignorant about the european history in Sweden it was pretty good compared to most of europe.
There was just one reballion against sweden in that 600 years

You need more mexicans to enrich your culinary culture.

You should work on your reading comprehension.

It's the same for Sweden and most other european countries, you are not unique in that regard.

True but why would they want to come here?

But Russians took Finns slaves during Swedish rule, also because of failed Swedish attacks.

But Swedish King didn't care since Russians would not come to Stockholm for revenge, only crossed the border and Finnish civilians had to suffer. Finns were like human shields.


But I agree Swedish rule was probably better than Russian could have been during then.

And what about sisu which pretty much sums up the finnish psyche?
Also being honest, hardworking and trustworthy? It's what matters

interdasting..

>You share alot of culture, history
Greeks too share history and culture with Turks.
>DNA
Lies.

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You should realize that Russia giving Finland autonomy, or allowing have own culture were also serving Russian interestes

When situations changed, Czar tried to remove our identity

Things not so black and white

>thread about Estonians
>no Estonians itt

Do they actually exist?

on Sup Forums? maybe like 5 in total.

Being hardworking and honest are honorable traits for certain, but they need context, something which Finns lack.

When will uber-nationalist finns admit that in a darwinian way, a harder time for finns here has made us one of the best people on earth?

The swedish king did not really care more for swedish peasants than he did for finnish peasants. Ethnicity did not simply matter back then.

You're always making up excuses for why the Russian holocaust of our cousins like the Merja was a good and positive thing for everyone involved.

>but they need context, something which Finns lack.
Context in what way? We were the only country which paid war reparations to soviets. We were the only country which paid denbts to USA
youtube.com/watch?v=TwQmwbQttkY
Ask Russians what they think about Finns that's what you hear. Hardworking, honest and trustworthy people.
That's why we have a good reputation there

There must've been a reason why Finnish conscripts made up 40% of the non-mercenary part of the Swedish military given how low our population was compared to mainland Sweden. You saw us as an other, and therefore expendable.

Harsh environment (cold winters specifically) made all Europeans smarter than say, Africans

>Finnish conscripts made up 40% of the non-mercenary part of the Swedish military
Proofs? This is what the Finnish history education lacks. It totally dismisses the wars against Denmark. Sweden fought more wars against Denmark than it did against Russia

Probably true

So many Finns were peasants back then, therefore many Finns may often see it like "Swedish oppression"

No I'm not, show me one instance when I have.

Don't know about Denmark wars

But in Poland's war over half of troops were Finns

There is a huge difference between the greeks and you finns. Ethnicity did not matter when it came to commoners, only religion did so you were just as happy under our rule as swedish peasants.
>Lies
Picrelated disagrees.

in fact many noblemen were Finnish origin like
fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laukon_Kurki-suku

fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirkkalaiset
And these guys

here
All Finns should feel infinite and deep hatred towards all Slavs for the extermination of our kinfolk

Context, as in an identity rooted in pride rather than ethnomasochism.

Yes

But most of Finns weren't in good position

I don't view total assimilation as badly as what Swedes did. Even Volga Finns have more pride in themselves than Finns. I do hate Russians for that, but I have a much deeper disdain and hatred for Sweden.

>as in an identity rooted in pride
If you're not taking a pride of our country which we've built from nothing that's your shame. Recent history much more relevant than the ancient. Look at the southern european countries with a rich prideful history. Recent history isn't that glorious.
Stop living in the past and look forward

Yes so much pride that no one speaks their native language and have lost their roots and are totally slavs now a days.
I'm pretty sure you've watched suomalais-ugrilaiset 30 päivässä Ville Haapasalo. Only old people gives a shit and they'll be soon dead

In the wars against Denmark the swedish soldiers were often exclusively (modern day) swedish and some regiments were left behind during other wars since conflict with Denmark was always a risk.

I don't care to defend Swedes but we are partially responsible for our own history.
The Tavastian and Karelian tribes waged war against each other and looked for allies in Sweden and Novgorod when they should have been united and building cities together.

I spoke of modern Finland specifically. If we embraced who we truly are (as IKL and AKS did) instead of larping Nords, I would have no qualms whatsoever.

>I don't view total assimilation as badly as what Swedes did
So getting what you would call a half-assed national identity is worse than total assimilation? WHAT?

>instead of larping Nords
Everytime someone compares us to scandinavians we make sure we're not the same. Have you not noticed that or do you just see what you want to see?

It depends. The situation could still be salvaged but Finns have done nothing to achieve that after the initial wave of pan-Finnicism and love of our heritage.

>as IKL and AKS did

literally who

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_People's_Movement_(Finland)

>pan-Finnicism
It was dead from the beginning. Eastern karelians saw as foreign invaders during heimosodat 20s. Their culture and traditions were russians only thing was distantly related language which we couldn't even understand.

We're patriotic people even if most don't believe some suur-suomi and that should be good, right? More closely united. I don't see Estonians or some russians karelians same ways as I see fellow finns. Suur-suomi larpers are the cancer of Finnish nationalism.

How could total assimilation possibly be better? Or is it the russian identity you would like?

Mari, for instance, has more speakers than Estonian. Even though they are declining in numbers due to younglings assimilating their culture and history is very rich and the ones that do embrace it do it fully. Most "nationalistic" Finns, on the other hand, are the Nordist type who despise our origins and proclaim kinship with peoples unrelated to us.

Today you are related to us and its fucking idiotic to claim otherwise.

Pan-Finnicism wouldn't necessarily have to entail a greater Finland, just emphasis on our Finnic heritage instead of false kinship with unrelated peoples.

>type who despise our origins and proclaim kinship
That's just in your head. And why should we have any kinship to anyone else to ourselves? We're Finns I don't care anything else than our people. Our people, which doesn't include some russians which we don't have any relation than distant language

>distantly related language which we couldn't even understand.

Standard Finnish is hypersimilar to Karelian and entirely different from the autismal babbling of Satakunta.

Total assimilation is preferrable to living in a lie. Not to Sweden, of course, that way their attempts to subvert us won't pay off in the end.

Total assimilation is the same as living in a lie, look at turks or americans for example.

Who the fuck cares about some people thousands of kilometers away? Should just stick to ourselves
We have nothing in common with them. The language which they speak is totally alien.
Karelian language is another language like estonian. You're confusing to the dialect

No we aren't, Finnish I1 predates Swedes and in terms of auDNA even Balts are closer.

The difference between a dialect and a language is a line drawn in the sand. Dialectical diversity can exceed language differences.

Sinunkaupat raumalainen voi tehdä sanomalla: "San snää mnuu snuuks, snuuks mnääki snuu sano."
Usein käytetty esimerkki rauman murteesta on "Kat ko kat kara rapui" tai "Katt katt kara rapui". Suomeksi asian voi esittää sanomalla "Katso, kun kissa juoksee portaita".

Feels good that that this utterly alien shit won't exist much longer. It's not Finnish.

So what if it predates? That only means the bonds go further back in time.

I meant those Mari as an alien and other fuckers in volga. The first time I heard the language I thought it was Russian

You're just talking about haplogroups. They don't mean anything since they're male only. Someone could have a nigger haplogroup if their great ancestor 500 years was a nigger

Assimilating to Russia over Sweden wouldn't be as big of a lie as assimilating to Sweden, seeing as a huge chunk of Russian genes derive from assimilated Finnic tribes. Of course a pan-Finnicist Finland would be preferrable to both.

We all have a common ancestor. Distance is what matters in this case though

>Eastern karelians saw as foreign invaders during heimosodat 20s.

Don't know about that but I think it was British army that turned them against Finnish troops

I don't care one bit about Mari. Point is that Karelian is like Finnish and Estonian and Rauma are not.

>finns aren't related to swedes

Then why are you almost exactly as depigmented as they are? It can't be coincidence

No, autosomal DNA too.