>where did you learn Wookie and Droid?
Lol idk
>where did you learn the force
Lol idk
>where did you learn to fight with a lightsaber
Lol bo staff
>where did you learn to repair the Millennium Falcon
Lol scraper
>where did you learn to fly a start ship
Lol scooter thing
Where did you learn English?
Lol idk
>where did you learn Wookie and Droid?
The force.
>where did you learn the force
mediclorians
>where did you learn to fight with a lightsaber
the force
>where did you learn to repair the Millennium Falcon
the force
>where did you learn to fly a start ship
the force
>start ship
Que?
>How are you able to build and race a Pod Racer as a 8 year old slave?
lol idk
>who is your daddy and what does he do?
lol idk
>how can you fly that fighter when you have never left your planet?
lol idk
>how come a woman 10 years your senior wants the D?
lol idk
remember that star wars has ALWAYS had bullshit leads that pull things out of their ass.
it's a movie
stop being so autistic
Anakin is Star Wars Jesus
>where did you learn to pilot a ship
by scavenging for parts, duh!
>Sup Forums - Television & Film
>How are you able to build and race a Pod Racer as a 8 year old slave?
established that he scavenges parts
>who is your daddy and what does he do?
not relevant to anything, Anakin is space jesus canonically
>how can you fly that fighter when you have never left your planet?
auto-pilot and luck
did you watch the film?
>how come a woman 10 years your senior wants the D?
she doesn't, she feels sorry for him in tpm
Why didn't she use the force before being caught up in the adventure? She heard stories of the force so why didn't she ever try to use it? Massive plothole.
Podracers were part of local culture, and he worked under a mechanic
His dad was probably sold off too early for him to remember
He didn't pilot the starship. It was auto pilot, and he simply pulled the trigger a few times when he got pulled into the blockade ship
Luck =\= unexplained skills
>How can you fly an Xwing and blow up the deathstar
well i flew a shuttle and the force!
>how did you beat Vader the most powerful force user ever with very little training?
because reasons lol
>How were you able to beat Chewie in Space chess when you have never played it?
Because reasons lol
>How did you learn to use a light saber yoda never trained you and ol Ben died before he taught you about the high ground.
lol force.
>His dad
His mom is a virgin
watch the move again.
He worked under no one. he was just a prodigy. Do you think Watto would have paid to have his slaves trained?
He might not have know but his daddy was the force. that is pretty Gary Stu.
he takes it off auto pilot once he gets in the battle.
are you retarded? liam neeson initially tried to buy anakin and his mother from watto.
he was immaculately consheeved
So TFA is as good as the prequels? Agreed, both are mediocre
>Rey is at least as bad a character as Anakin
Is this supposed to be a defense?
just pointing out that it is ok when Ani/Luke are Gary Stu status but not Rey for some reason.
I'll flip my fucking lid if I ever see Luke described as a Gary Stu in defence of Rey again.
>Needed to be rescued by Obi-Wan from Sand People
>Needed to be rescued by Obi-Wan at Mos Eisley
>Needed to be saved by Han when the Falcon was captured by the Death Star
>Needed to be saved by Leia on the detention level
>Needed to be saved by C3PO from the trash compactor
>Needed to be saved by Obi-Wan from Vader
>Needed to be saved by Han from Vader
And that's just the first fucking movie.
That's not how the force works!
Luke was a hero, not a "gary stu" - unless you read the EU. In the first movie he was constantly shat on and portrayed as a weak and naive farmboy - until the end when supported by all his friends he pulls of a 1 in a million shot. In the subsequent films we see him grow and develop as a character and eventually he becomes a Jedi.
People had great expectations of Anakin, he was already set up as vader. But yeah, that was one of the reasons prequels were badly received by fans.
I think what people don't like is how TFA is less realistic then the OT, everything is so easy for everyone. They pull off amazing feats like it's nothing. Rey is only a part of the problem.
He never really beat vader except for the final act of ep 6, and even then it was unclear if vader was really trying because a. He knew the emperor wanted luke alive and b. Luke had clearly sowed seeds of doubt about his allegiance in multiple conversations leading up the fight.
I'm not sure vader ever really wanted to beat luke in ep6.
Luke learned to use the light saber in various encounters with monsters, training droids and vaders playing with him. It took three episodes for luke...
He could already fly. He was planning on joining the academy and wedge said he was already a good pilot.
Also he didn't sword fight in new hope, got BTFO in empire and only win because Vader switched sides in Jedi.
I'm sorry, are you trying to defend Episode I's writing? TPM was a FUCKING T E R R I B L E movie, you stupid cuck
>hurr durr durr Rey isn't a bad character, see they did the same thing in the abortion that was TPM!!
fuck you that just makes VII look worse
Are you honestly trying to imply that people didn't complain about how stupid it was when Anakin was revealed to be literally Jesus in TPM? Because that would be wrong
the solo birth? yea.
everything else? nope.
like him being the only human ever to drive a pod racer. nor him building not only 3CPO but a very good pod racer in a hut, with a box of scraps!
nor him getting in a fighter he never flew before(never piloted anything besides a pod racer) and turning the tide in a losing space battle by him self.
nor him being the chosen one
Luke is just as Gary Stu like.
again
>beats Vader with very little training
>flies an Xwing for the first time on top of that it was his first battle and blows up the death star winning the battle
you're delusional
>spinning
>pod racing being a waste of time
>BTFOing the Trade Federation solo
were all used as evidence of the prequel trilogy's bad writing. I swear you must be underage if you don't remember this. Come back after you turn 18.
>hurr Luke's a Gary Stu because he can fly
that's literally the only thing Luke can do. He's a pilot. In all other situations until he completes his Jedi Training, he's baggage. Contrast this with Rey, who is her team's
>pilot
>mechanic
>leader
>best fighter
>sorcerer/mage
Furthermore, at the time of Luke's fight with Vader at the end of RotJ ghost Obi Wan and Yoda had completed his training.
Yeah the prequels were as garbage as TFA, good point.
Why does she have a British accent?
nope. watch the movies again. Both Yoda and Obi wan say he is not trained fully and it is a very bad idea to go after Vader.
As far as we have seen He has not been trained at sword fighting besides that ball in New Hope.
also if you noticed though out TFA it is hinted strongly that Rey has been trained when she was a youngling but had a memory block put in place once Kylo lost his shit.
it is almost like they have planned multiple movies and are telling a story across them all.
Why dose 90% of the cast of a British accent?
>they both say that he is not fully trained and that it is a bad idea to face Vader
in ESB. when he then proceeds to get his ass perforated by Vader. we're talking about RotJ here. keep up. if Luke existed in TFA he would have 1v1'd Vader on the Death Star after Vader killed Obi Wan and beat him to death without any training.
Her homeworld is B'ngb'ng IX in the Guvnn'a system
yea when luke leaves Yoda's he is still not trained.
we just have to assume he was trained off screen. much like Rey and her flash backs.
>where did you learn Wookie and Droid?
By being alone on a planet surrounded by aliens
>where did you learn the force
The force doesn't need to be learned, you just have to let it guide you.
>where did you learn to fight with a lightsaber
It's a fucking glowing stick, it's not hard to use.
>where did you learn to repair the Millennium Falcon
From her boss who clearly had her work on the repairs.
>where did you learn to fly a start ship
From the ships she clearly mentioned having flown before
There is a 3 year gap between ESB and RotJ in which Luke completes his training.
Unless you want to claim that Rey is a Jason Bourne memory-wiped force assassin (which would be a huge asspull because there's no foreshadowing of such a thing) you have no such luxury, she's literally had 0 training or any indication of training in TFA.
>Oh no, the main protagonist accomplishes something at the end of a trilogy, after getting his ass kicked for 3 movies!
>What a gary stu
this is how retarded you sound
He beat Vader down and cut off his hand...
So you have not seen the movie or are ignoring her flash backs to jedi temple where Kylo and his boys kill the jedi because it does not fallow your feefees.
and you are crying about a character that has a past but you are ignoring it because they did not hold your hand.
>feefees
ironically shitposting is still shitposting
If luke and han went to rescue rey instead of leia, luke wouldve opened cell to be greeted by a flip kick from rey before she instantly beat up han, then they explained they were rescuing her while instantly liking her cuz shes so badass for beating them up. And instead of jumping down into the trash compactor rey wouldve dual wielded both of teæhe mens guns while headshotting the stormtroopers in a matter of seconds. Before she interrupted the fight with obi wan and vader by force pulling vaders lightsaber b4 almost killing him, until the death star magically split in two, at which point rey would solo fly the falcon out of there saving them all and being made high commander of rebel alliance
except they said that her flashbacks were Force bullshit not memory wipes
>There is a 3 year gap between ESB and RotJ in which Luke completes his training.
1 year, and Luke doesn't see Yoda or Obi-Wan at all during that period. Previous EU had him meditating out in the Tatooine desert for a good while, but he doesn't return to Dagobah until RotJ.
And people keep misunderstanding the Force as a literal training, like he's running a marathon or practicing for the SAT. It's about inner discipline and faith in the Force. Luke could have lifted that X-Wing if had just believed that he could. That's what the Force is.
The mere fact that Rey is widely perceived as mary sue is a major fault of TFA. No matter what bullshit argument you might come up with, it still doesn't change that it's bad film making.
Sorry, but TFA while receiving overall positive reviews will be soon forgotten because of that fact. Only the Star Wars brand will survive.
but you are upset because it goes against your feefees.
Rey is as Mary/Gary-sue/stu as the other trilogy mains. you just excuse Luke and Anikin for it.
>Luke doesn't see Yoda or Obi Wan during that period
this is wrong, but OK
>people keep misunderstanding the Force as literal training
except that it is fucking literal training, you have to train your mind and body with intense mediation and practice in order to learn how to deepen your connection with the Force and use your powers. This is 100% canon.
the only people who consider her a mary sue have problems with her. it is not a story thing if it was they would not like Star Wars at all. She is a rehash of Luke and Ani. only thing different is she has a cunt.
if you think that Luke is a Gary Stu you are retarded.
Anakin was a Gary Stu but guess what you fucking faggot, prequel Anakin was terribly written and people bitched about it, particularly kid Anakin. I'LL TRY SPINNING, THAT'S A NEAT TRICK has been a meme for over a decade. TFA apologists are the most stupid fuckers on Sup Forums, even worse than prequelfags.
Huh, I never heard anyone call Luke a mary sue? Where are you pulling this crap from?
Rey is a similar mary sue like Anakin, yeah.
>flies an Xwing for the first time and the first time ever being in a war, blows up the death star oh and dog fights with the elite TIE fighters + Vader(the best pilot in the galaxy) and wins
>Beats Vader with very little training even though Vader is extremely strong and has been fully trained
Star Wars has always had bullshit main heroes that lived a very simple life before the movies started. it is all the same shit.
>By being alone on a planet surrounded by aliens
lol
>The force doesn't need to be learned, you just have to let it guide you.
Yep, fuck all those jedi temples that serve as training facilities to master the force. Nope, just have to let it "guide" you and you'll learn how to mind trick magically!
>It's a fucking glowing stick, it's not hard to use.
lol
>From her boss who clearly had her work on the repairs.
What? That was never EVER stated in that abortion of a movie.
>From the ships she clearly mentioned having flown before
Yeah cause flying shitty junker ships is TOTALLY the same as flying one of the most powerful ships in the galaxy HURRRRR
>protagonist has a skill
>"dude he's a gary stu lmao"
not what a Gary Stu is f@m
also he doesn't dogfight with Vader, he nearly gets shot down and is saved by Han, and the only pilots he defeats are the cannon fodder troops who got barely any training themselves.
>defeats Vader
in RotJ (aka the climax of the entire series) after his own training had been completed, and when Vader is highly conflicted and doesn't want to fight back, and when channeling the Dark Side. We aren't talking about killing Vader in ANH, as Rey does in her equivalent fight with Kylo Ren.
Do you actually have some kind of learning disability?
You also forgot to mention the AMAZING scene where she literally solves the Millenium Falcon's engine or whateverthefuck problem in less then 5 seconds.
but he does beat Vader in ANH.
Not in a Saber fight but in a Dog fight.
which is even more ridiculous since Vader is the best pilot in the galaxy. all while being Luke's first time flying a X wing and being in a battle.
but it is ok when he does something Gary Stu like..because nostalgia.
Yeah? That's the Hero's Journey you moron.
Two great feats doesn't mean that somebody is a Mary Sue. It's more about how people act around that person, how the Mary Sue shows everyone up and is always right. Nothing bad ever happens to them, and if it does it is only to show how great they are. Any stumble isn't a real fault of the character, it is a mere excuse for the masturbation of the author. The morality of the Mary Sue is the exact same as the author's, and it is also the objective morality of the universe. They don't need other people, other people need them. Everything revolves around them and their lives, all else is secondary.
Being a hero =/= being a Mary sue
Rey definitely has some Mary Sue characteristics.
Luke doesn't dogfight Vader in ANH are you literally insane? Vader finds him in the trench, kills his friends, and almost kills R2 before Luke gets rescued by Han
>person who was fixing shit for a living their whole life fixed something
jesus christ JJ you hack thats blatant shit writing
>lol
Wow, great arguments!
>That was never EVER stated
Yes it was you fucking mong. She says that Unkar Plutt had things installed and that she thought it was a mistake at the time.
If you can't get the clear implication that she was involved in the work then you are a stupid fuck.
Take your nostalgia goggles off. Luke was a mary sue whether you like it or not. After no force training he's able to get his light saber from the snow to kill the snowman monster. He could fly an X-Wing and nail a perfect shot by "believing in the force" just like Rey was able to do her thing using the same reasoning.
>But Obi-Wan trained him!
No he didn't. He sorta made him train witht he light saber and lectured him on what the force was. The midget alien on TFA does the same thing to Rey. Now fuck off.
Seriously is she attractive or not i just cannot decide
lol
you lost any credibility you had when you got emotional
>it is being a hero when i say so!
>it is being a mary sue when i say so!
>even though they both do shit that does not make sense for them to do as some one with very little training and experience
>after no force training
after Obi Wan's training, both on the Falcon and afterwards. This also comes after several months of Luke practicing with the Force on his own, using the training techniques Obi Wan managed to teach him.
>Obi Wan didn't train him tho!!!
go to bed, Walt
>Yeah cause flying shitty junker ships is TOTALLY the same as flying one of the most powerful ships in the galaxy HURRRRR
The Millenium Falcon, despite faggots like you jerking off to it, is a piece of junk in the lore and the canon of the series. It's an old, outdated ship that has a bunch of issues.
>female slave
>virgin
yeah, right. And wasn't she raped to death by sand people? Literally rapefugees.
The Falcon has more aftermarket bullshit installed on it than a Fast and Furious car, it's one of the most heavily customized ships in the galaxy using all manner of weird and prototype parts/designs that are seen nowhere else either due to them being Han/Chewie's own invention or the systems never making it to production. Nobody really knows how the guts of the Falcon works except Han and Chewie, that's the whole point
>the couple hours of wiggling the light saber and getting lectured counts as training enough to allow him to do the shit he has done
right right.
Nice deflection.
Obi Wan never trained Luke on how to use to force. You bullshitting it by saying it happened off-screen just allows me to bullshit it the same way with Rey saying that all her skills where developed off-screen on her 20+ years as a scrapper-junker.
I'm not saying Rey isn't a mary sue, I'm saying it's delusional to think Luke wasn't.
And conveniently user doesn't get a response. I'll probably save this post for future use
People call Rey a mary sue because she catches on to everything even quicker than Luke did, and the entire last act of Episode V was Luke getting his ass handed to him because he overestimated himself.
That and Rey's pulling jedi mind tricks without even fully understanding the Force when it took Luke YEARS to even attempt one.
>This also comes after several months of Luke practicing with the Force on his own, using the training techniques Obi Wan managed to teach him.
[citation needed]
lol
ever watched a movie? don't be so upset
Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault you were born fucked up
>lol u mad?
wew lad.
You are female, aren't you? It's how you only use your emotions and reject any sensible argument presented to you.
still more training than Rey ever got, and Rey could use all of Luke's RotJ powers with her 0 training while Luke couldn't even use force pull until practicing his skills until ESB
>Luke couldn't even use force pull until practicing his skills until ESB
[citation needed]
>he hasn't read any of the canon nu-comics
not my fault
Because I'm not the one rejecting any sensible argument presented to me. You are. I have no emotions towards Star Wars whatsoever. Both Luke and Rey were mary sues.
>Obi Wan never trained Luke on how to use to force.
you are hilarious, please stop talking about what you know nothing about
>comics
shouldn't you prepare for school instead?
but the flash backs imply she has some kind of past with the Jedi.
they are planning the movies as a trilogy so they are building things up for other movies to reveal.
you are ignoring this for some reason.
>mary sues
You don't even know what that term means. To you any competent movie protagonist is a mary sue.
And that's just not true.
ah yes, I forgot about all the 10 minutes they spent training while on the Falcon
Why do people even bother to argue with Daisy Ridley IDF, it's clear at this point that they cannot be reasoned with and will do whatever mental gymnastics are possible to justify their shitty character being stronger than Luke was after 2 movies or Anakin was even as a Padawan
>Fixing shit for a living
>Fixes the fucking millenium falcon
Nah yeah, you're right. I can buy it
Luke's party during ANH, and their roles on the team
>Han: pilot, fighter, leader
>Chewie: mechanic
>Obi Wan: cleric/sorcerer
>Luke: pilot (but not as good as Han), student
Rey's team in ANH, plus their roles on the team
>Han: pilot (but Rey is just as skilled if not superior)
>Chewie: mechanic (but not as good as Rey)
>Finn: fighter (but not as good as Rey)
while Rey is the
>pilot
>mechanic
>fighter
>leader
>cleric/sorcerer
Guess which one is the Mary Sue
His training of the force is "feel the force around you, surrounding you, believe in the force." The same thing the female alien says to Rey.
If you're the one using comics and head canon to tell me it happened off-screen then, again, I can do the exact same thing and nulify your claims that Rey is a mary sue.
shitposting does nothing to make your argument less bullshit, accept that you are wrong
Point to me the comic or other canon material stating that Rey received the same kind of training from a force master that Luke did from Obi Wan during ANH and in the time gap between ESB. I'll wait.
She doen't believe that Jedi really exist until she meets Han. Then in the space of a day she gains all powers that Luke ever had in OT.
Whatever they reveal, whatever tidbit one sentence she says as an explanation after she does those things - she still looks like a Mary Sue.
Also one of the defining characteristics of a Mary Sue is that their parents are actually really important. That only speaks against her.
there is a good way and a bad way to insinuate a hidden/mindwiped past. if you want to give the impression that your character is Jason Bourne it would be wise to emphasize this like the Bourne movies do
This whole thread was about Rey being called a mary sue, and people denying that Luke was one. I don't even know what's going on anymore or who am I replying with, I might just stop posting I came into this thead 10 minutes ago.
Again, by presenting the "it happened off-screen" logic, you're only proving that all the skills that people say are just "given" to Rey could've been developped off-screen during her years and years of making a living out spaceships and fighting off rapists.
I don't give a shit about comics, I care about the movies. People like you are the worst. It's like wanting to talk about Star Wars 5 years ago and having to deal with the smartass who spent 10 hours on wookiepedia reading fanfiction that at the time was canon.
>I don't give a shit about comics, I care about the movies
so if you don't care about the supporting canon material, why are you here arguing about what the canon does and does not say? fuck off you tourist
Rey was such a bad character, I went in expecting Finn to be terrible but he was the only one I cared about at all
basically I'm just hoping episode 8 will give me some old jedi Mark Hamill, and good Finn/Kylo Ren plotlines
Episode 5
>saved himself from
Wampa, but han saved him from the cold
>tried but failed to lift x-wing out of the bog, yoda did it for him
>fails against vader
It wasnt until episode 6 that Luke could actually do something useful, all alone
Kid Anakin being a terrible character is not an excuse for Rey being a terrible character. Almost nobody would seriously defend Episode 1 while criticizing Episode 7.
Luke isn't a "Gary Stu", you idiot. He constantly needs to be rescued and is incompetent at literally everything he does except flying a spaceship, and even then he needs Han to save his life.
and Luke does not believe in the force until Obiwan.
>they do alot to set up she has a hidden past
>thinks they will just hand wave it and explain it in a single sentence
you are fucking delusional if you think they would waste that much money and time foreshadowing and not have it be a part of her arc.