they were fellow students he would play scriabin live, often more than his own oeuvre
Ian Campbell
>more than his own oeuvre
Oh shit boy
Well Scriabin IS much better though so it's only fair
Dylan Lopez
there was a concert where he played ONLY scriabin, to surprise of the audience
Easton Thomas
I think I should give Rach another chance.
Scriabin was extremely popular his day though, wasn't he? What the hell happened? He's a c-list composer at best now.
Jose Bailey
Its kind of cute how tsundere they were. Scriabin fucked his hand because of Rachmaninoff's superiority as a player.
Christian Kelly
Messiaen surpassed him as the true master of uncanny fever-dream brothel music
Jose Reyes
>this is a pure reactionary ideological maneuver you have means of production that imply a totally different culture of music creation, and promote obsolete methods that were viable in a different material culture, and are no longer needed
This sentence: It is not structured correctly. Use some commas or something so that you don't say things you don't mean to say (like "you have means of production that ... promote obsolete methods that were viable in a different material culture, and are no longer needed")
Yes we have modern notation software that allows us to write much faster than our predecessors. We also have DAWs that allow us to make mock-ups or even tape parts for live performances. We also have programs like MAX/MSP that allow us to control effects, tape parts, lighting and anything we can think of via any kind of input (like the sound a performer makes).
Having all of these things doesn't mean you shouldn't learn how music works. Giving a monkey a word processor isn't going to create anything of worth, you'll just get shit all over the keyboard and mouse.
Contemporary composers do use modern notation software, DAWs, live electronics, etc. They use everything at their disposal, including (most importantly) education.
There's a whole section about it. There's serialism apart from dodecaphony. The real question is where's your source that Scriabin was pro-serialism?
Austin Phillips
>The actual 'Mystic Chord' can be broken up into six notes to produce simultaneously harmonies, chords and melodies in a serialist manner - a term not coined until 1947. Scriabin did exactly that in Poème, Op.59 No.1 (1910), before Schoenberg came up with his twelve-tone technique, one of the main differences being that Scriabin didn't use his system as rigidly. It's obvious, however: had Scriabin lived a little longer, the twelve-tone technique that sparked a whole new movement could easily have been conceived under his pen, instead of Schoenberg's.
Oliver Clark
Pure speculation.
Christian James
By the end of his life, Schoenberg had loosened his use of twelve-tone; the far better comparison would be between those later compositions and Scriabin's "serialism"
Cooper Hughes
Why does /classical/ seem to hate Rachmaninoff when he's the peak of romanticist piano?
Is it because the first melody in op.18 has become a meme?
Jace Stewart
Scrjabin fucked his hand up when he parctised for a duel with Lhévinne if I'm not mistaken.
William Gomez
Its because romantic music was alrready tapped out. Any composer who wanted to continue to make romantic music halfway through the 20th century was just an uninspired diletant.
Connor Clark
this Rach was famous for his piano skills he was a PIANIST who occassionaly wrote pieces
Benjamin Richardson
Sure, it wasn't that original; but does that make his music bad?
If originality is key, then why does Sup Forums hate Debussy?
Besides, the music of the 20th century, Boulez, Cage etc. is absolutely nothing but cancer. I'd rather have something actually worth something at the cost of originality than a complete piece of garbage.
Dylan Perry
Are you saying his music is worth less because it wasn't super original?
Andrew Carter
I always got the impression that people disliked Rach and Chopin simply for their accessability.
>Any composer who wanted to continue to make romantic music halfway through the 20th century was just an uninspired diletant Rach composed his 3rd piano concerto 1909.
Liszt was famous for his piano skills. He was a pianist who occasionaly wrote pieces.
Liam Torres
>I always got the impression that people disliked Rach and Chopin simply for their accessability The accessability of Rach's piano concertos is the opening melodies. "Too many notes" is a common sentiment when it comes to the rest.
Mason Anderson
stop praying to other gods
Zachary Ramirez
I disagree. Especially concerning the 2nd concerto. The 2nd concerto is engaging up until it's last bar since it's enwrought with simple but broad melodies and abundant harmonies. It's form is simple. And there is no shame in that.
>"Too many notes" is a common sentiment when it comes to the rest Surely a common sentiment for the common audience.
Brayden Phillips
Was he the greatest Norwegian composer >is cute >made a few symphonies and concertos >like schönberg but actually good >isn't famous because of meme pops
Wyatt Moore
>tfw we'll never hear Mozart's Cello Concerto
Music for that feel?
Ryan Bell
>Liszt was famous for his piano skills. He was a pianist who occasionaly wrote pieces. true Chopin was a composer first, though
Carter Bailey
>why does Sup Forums hate Debussy? only the toppest plebs hate Debussy
>Besides, the music of the 20th century, Boulez, Cage etc. is absolutely nothing but cancer. I'd rather have something actually worth something at the cost of originality than a complete piece of garbage. Both of those composers will far outlast Rachmaninoff.
Brayden Mitchell
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Christian Brooks
thank
Chase Powell
hello everyone, can anyone recommend me some somber, downtroden, melancholic pieces? something obscure would be great, I don't really care what era the piece is from
Have you ever tried to seriously engage with Boulez' works?
Julian Gray
What is it that makes Bach so special?
Julian Nguyen
Count her pint.
Asher Barnes
people will say the fugues and they're sort of right, but in my mind it's the cantatas. The speed at which he produced them and the combination of musical invention with powerful sentiment grounded on heartfelt religious conviction results in an oeuvre which must rank as one of humanity's finest artistic products.
Aiden Long
>and his later works are far better than anything Rach the firetrucker composed HAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHAHAHA you fucking filth
Aaron Brown
Yeah probably, because they were original in their making of shit.
Logan Sanchez
Yes. It is nonsense.
Chase Long
balance between chromatic and diatonic forces
Jace Moore
Explain how it is nonsense.
Leo Howard
Explain how his later works are far better than anything Rachmaninoff wrote first.
Matthew Evans
hello again. should I delve deeper into the works of wyschnegradsky, or should I start with scriabin and chopin before I can fully appreciate more dissonant compositions? I don't listen to much "proper" classical music, but I do actually enjoy the ideas and textures presented by stockhausen and xenakis
Luis Hernandez
Dodging the question I see. Don't come to a thread of trained musicians if you can't justify musical opinions, kid.
Ryder White
Nope, you made the gratuitous statement first. It's only fair you back it up first.
Grayson Long
I don't know who you are talking to. This is my first reply to you. Explain your opinion or leave.
Jacob Thompson
Why did Mozart have to die under 40? Just imagine what late Mozart could have been like. Most composers created their greatest works towards the end of their career
Jace Bailey
Prokofieff's 2nd piano concerto is probably the most convincing argument against Rach. In it, Prokofieff does everything for which Rachmaninoff is lauded, except he does it better. Whether virtuosity or that "russian romantic" touch. youtu.be/GqwC42TZUXQ?t=22m37s
Liam Martinez
>Just imagine what late Mozart could have been like. yeah, just like another beethoven he died at the right age, together with classicism
Juan Gutierrez
>Most composers created their greatest works towards the end of their career so did mozart
Samuel Hall
>tfw we have not yet developed a way to sap Rachmaninoff's life force to give Mozart and Schubert an extra 30 years of life.
Owen Hill
Impressionism is as similar to jazz as to Baroque music. Prove me wrong
>now you do as I want you to do or you must leave because you are not willing to engage in a social debate that works as a form of escapism, helps me get distracted and gives me a rush of dopamine The absolute state of /classical/ >tfw
Brandon Brooks
>What is counterpoint and harpsichord?
Brandon Edwards
anyone?
Carter Watson
It lacks musical semantics.
Gavin Sanchez
Um no. Rach's counterpoint, harmony and cromaticism was way more developed and frankly better.
Mason Sanchez
Do whatever the fuck you want and don't expect to be spoonfed. To use Sup Forums you must be a grown ass fucking man so you need to start acting like one. Listen to whatever the fuck you like and don't wait for some fedoras to evaluate your taste.
Landon Ortiz
>stop asking about classical music in a classical thread
James Taylor
I'm asking if I should delve into dissonant and microtonal compositions before or after I spend some time listening to more straightforward compositions such as baroque and romantic, don't see why that question is such a big deal
Grayson Reed
Do both
Elijah Foster
It's pretty much two different genres of music. Listen to what appeals to you, or both.
Adam Reyes
>Person X talks about /classical/ >Person Y says to person X to do whatever the fuck he wants to after nobody answers the poor bloke. >Person Z: "hurr durr Y doesn't want people to talk about /classical/ in /classical/ If I'm so fucking stupid for telling him not to talk about /classical/ then, why the fuck didn't you answer him in the first place instead of being a fucking smirking smartass behind the screen?
Mate... There's no right or wrong way to do it. To me it just seems like you're forcing yourself to listen to something you don't like and that's the problem. Just listen to everything you can and stick to the stuff you like. The repetition does help to understand certain words and phrases, but it doesn't help you to understand the flow, context and deeper meanings. Just immerse yourself into music and you'll learn the best.
Josiah Morgan
What do you classical anons think about Jazz in general?
Joseph Sanchez
it's ok
Ayden Richardson
I can't bother right now so imagine the face of Adorno looking with disappointment at your post on the side.
Grayson Turner
It's the only art that ever came from the shithole known as N*rth Amerikkka Before music got commercialised in the 50s and pop music came about
Nathan Bennett
They had ragtime and the blues before that. Don't forget those lad.
Xavier Ortiz
Good, but not as good as others say, at least not now.
There's nothing especially dissonant about quarter tones in fact they more accurately approximate some members of the harmonic series,making them strictly more consonant depending on usage.
That would be madness because he'd probably knock out a good 40 years of musical development. He already has works that surpass beethoven in terms of anachronism and foresight
