>Well, I met Miles Davis in 1962 in a jazz club in San Francisco called the Black Hawk. I really liked his music and I went up to him and introduced myself to him and he turned his back on me. And so I haven't had anything to do with him or his music since that time.
>I remember seeing Brian Jones very drunk in the Speakeasy one night and telling him I liked [Between The Buttons] and thought it superior to Sergeant Pepper ... whereupon he belched discreetly and turned around.
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Miles Davis was a dick to everybody.
Name one 50's black jazz player that wasn't some type of dick.
>"Well, Jimmy came to our house one time with Buddy Miles, this was when we were living in New York. They walk in, said hello, Buddy sat on the sofa and immediately passed out and was snoring. Shortly thereafter Jimmy, who was wearing green velvet pants, demonstrated some sort of intricate dance step and ripped the inside of his pants."
John Coltrane seemed alright enough, but I'm probably wrong
Was he 100% anti-drug? He was such a studio/live workhorse. Listening to Apostrophe right now.
I like the one of mick jagger visiting his house and frank got a splinter in his toe on the way to the door. Jagger immediately got on his hands and knees and pulled the splinter out.
Gay footfags are the worst.
Apparently he tried pot around 10 times but it made him sleepy so he didn't enjoy it.
>Was he 100% anti-drug?
No. He smoked and drank his whole life, and according to Kaylan's book, he smoked weed with him a few times when he was really nervous, and always carried around a flask of some unknown intoxicating substance.
>So we had this idea we could show the audience what Marines were really like. I threw the doll to the Marines and said, "This is a gook baby...show us how we treat gooks in Vietnam." And they tore that baby apart.
i have only ever heard him talk shit about every drug aside from cigarettes and coffee. he mentions drinking a beer once in his book but says it upset his stomach
I've done a fair share of drugs and alcohol but I'd never advocate them.
Guess that makes him a hypocrite, doesn't it?
So?
How so?
all addicts are hypocrites
My dad has now forced me to become a frank zappa fan. He saw captain beefheart on my itunes and started talking about how he saw them in toronto and now that I am away at univserity he keeps sending me jpgs of frank zappa quotes.
Talking shit about drugs he does
Frank liked cigarettes and coffee. He didn't like other drugs because he thought they made people act like assholes. He thought drugs should be legal, but didn't advocate their use. What's the problem?
>he keeps sending me jpgs of frank zappa quotes.
the ninth circle of hell
Just listen to the music, it's worth it
>Guess that makes him a hypocrite, doesn't it?
for this to be true you're going to have to give me a little more than some anecdotal evidence
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skip to 3:03 to hear zappa's own words on drugs. no one who drinks or does drugs has a work ethic like his.
Whats wrong with smoking some weed? Its not even a drug
>no one who drinks or does drugs has a work ethic like his.
[citation needed]
It gives you an excuse to be an asshole. It makes you a worse musician, and gives the police an excuse to fuck you over. Also, it hurts my throat and makes me feel sleepy. Do it on your own time, if you must.
t. Zappa
The motherfucker said the side effects of cigarettes were false near his death
sure, some people are capable of being functioning addicts but it eventually catches up to you. name one rock star with as much output as his
You'd probably end up being a dick too if you thought/knew you were a musical genius (or at least highly influential) and not getting appropriate credit because the majority of society discredited you solely based on skin color.
To be fair, he died of prostate cancer, not lung/throat cancer
>He didn't like other drugs because he thought they made people act like assholes.
1) he was an asshole
2) he did drugs as well and then lied about it and was misleading for his persona
>zappa's own words on drugs
>in the 80s
>but it eventually catches up to you.
You mean like dying of cancer when you're 52?
>he did drugs as well and then lied about it and was misleading for his persona
He never lied about it.
here's zappa on drugs in 71
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Show me where he admits smoking weed to calm his nerves, as well as the mysterious flask...
I don't know about any of that, apparently that's only from Howard Kaylan's book (and it's worth nothing that Zappa had a bit of a falling out with "Flo & Eddie" in the early 1970s, though I think they may have patched things up to an extent before his death). Zappa has openly admitted in interviews that he drank occasionally, and tried smoking marijuana a number of times.
Of course, it would be bad for his genius image and would expose him as a hypocrite
If you choose to believe Kaylan's book over Zappa's own words on the matter, that's your prerogative.
>muh struggle
If you choose to believe someone who was actually there and knew him rather than a calculated PR maneuver, that's your prerogative
But... we wuz kangz? R-right?
if people were racist why they buy or recorded the music?
As somebody who grew up in wealthy suburbs, some of the biggest consumers of rap music are also some of the most openly racist people I know.
>it would be bad for his genius image
how so? doesn't seem to have an effect on bob dylan. even if zappa was the closet addict you think he was it wouldn't change my opinion on him or his career.
Hmmmmmm, I wonder why.....
I wonder why people who are fans of rap....... that music genre about dealing drugs, abusing women, and being a parasite on white society..................
I wonder why anyone would ever be racist, hmmmmmm.......
>doesn't seem to have an effect on bob dylan
He wasn't anti-drug, so this is not relevant
>it wouldn't change my opinion on him or his career.
You don't have the opinion he was a drug free genius?
Natural deaths are caused by over consumption
>The things that were happening in 1955 were cosmic … in terms of music history.
What did he mean by this?
what is wrong with being racist?
>You don't have the opinion he was a drug free genius?
Not the guy you're responding to, but I think Zappa's a genius because of his music, not his image
>but I think Zappa's a genius because of his music, not his image
So you don't have the opinion he was a drug free genius?
Answer the question instead of dodging it
He really liked doo-wop and electric blues.
Come on man, I answered the question implicitly
What does "drug-free genius" even mean? That he was a genius for not doing drugs?
I think he was a genius who also happened to be drug-free
If I found out he wasn't, I would still think he was a genius
He would become a "drug-using genius"
>I think he was a genius who also happened to be drug-free
So you believe something that isn't true
as a footnote i admire the fact he abstained from drugs and that's as much as i have to say on the issue lol. what im really impressed with is his talent and his music
why do (and did) junkies get so hung up on the drug thing? just because FZ didn't like drugs doesn't mean hes going to take them away from you... i'm gonna go out on a limb and wager that most of them subconsciously realize that their addictions are a bad thing, and frank makes them feel insecure about it
>as a footnote i admire the fact he abstained from drugs
See
He thought the Government should legalise all drugs, and that it would make them a shit load of money.
wow you showed me, zappa was a confirmed drug addict because that guy from the turtles said so in his book. still doesn't change how much i love him and his music.
>why do (and did) junkies get so hung up on the drug thing?
Anything to make them feel better about their shit life choices. "Misery loves company", user.
>still doesn't change how much i love him and his music.
Nah, you probably just like Freak Out and Hot Rats lol
as a former addict myself i gotta say its pretty admirable that zappa would vehemently persuade the kiddies away from drugs because anyone whose been off the wagon knows its no life to live. bless zappa for teaching the youngins from his mistakes
I think a big part of it was seeing how worthless it had made a huge chunk of the once-promising 1960s generation, as well as all of his friends (e.g. Jimi) who succumbed to that lifestyle.
>tfw it wasn't actually miles davis or brian jones that he talked to, just some randoms
>Frank Zappa was an autist who was ignored by a better musician in 1962
huh, really useful info OP
absolutely nothing