Arabians and Levantines

Are they even the same people?

I think Levantine "Arabs" have more in common with other Mediterraneans than with Arabians.

Also, for most of history, pink area was where civilization existed. Arabians were always just subhuman tribal sand niggers

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>picks the swarthiest gulfie
>picks the lightest Levantine

I've seen Gulfies that look lighter than him and Levantines that look swarthy as shit.


The Arabian peninsula -- with the exception of Yemen and Bahrain -- didn't have as much civilization for obvious reasons: it's a fucking desert.

As a result, large amounts of people flocked north toward the Mediterranean to find arable land and a hospitable climate.

From this migration came the Lakhmids, Nabateans, Phoenicians, and many other civilizations over a vast period of time.

But the native people were White Indo Europeans.

The Arabs mixed with native Whites, giving rise to the Akkadians and Arameans

Change your post. Levantine are Arabs. Always have. Always been.

>But the native people were White Indo Europeans.

lmao

>Before Arab conquest

No. Syria was a part of the mediterranean world, which spoke Aramaic and had a shitload of Greeks.
Arabs only existed from the Dead sea to te south.

>"south semitic"

Map is garbage. Absolute trash.

And just for the record, Aramaic and Arabic are like Portuguese and Spanish, except even closer together.

I didn't know Greeks were native to Syria, you cunt.

Levantines are a Semetic (in most cases) Mediterranean people who've been Arabized but still retain enough med features to be called Meds. Arabs are different. Not the same.

>What is Hellenism
>What is the Antigonid dynasty
>What is the Roman Empire

Aramaic is to Hebrew as Portuges is to Spanish.

Aramaic and Arabic is quite different

At least we are all Semitic

That's like saying "at least we are all Indo-European."

There are loads of ancient pre-Islamic Arab civilizations that were in the Levant.

It's the same people. Same shit.

The "Arabization" meme only holds true for North Africa.
Do you not see the irony in that, you retard?

>Greeks/Romans invade the Levant
>automatically the people are Greek/Roman

>Arabians invade
>"NOOO THEY AREN'T ARAB THEY ARE JUST ARABIZED"

You retard. The Greeks/Romans are more of invaders than the Muslim Arabs. At least in the case of the Muslim Arab invasions, it was Semites conquering Semitic territory.
Not some pasty Southern European foreigners.
>Aramaic and Arabic is quite different

Anyone who says this doesn't know what they're talking about and should just stop talking.

No it isn't you mong.
It's like saying "At least we are all Afro-Asiatic"

You can't talk a ginormous linguistic grouping that is composed of a hundred or so branches stretching from Hindi to Swedish and compare that to a very localized linguistic grouping.

Semitic languages are incredibly close to each other.

Arabians are Semites mixed with Africans and Indians
Levantines are Semites mixed with southern Europeans

>Do you not see the irony in that, you retard?
Educate yourself. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeks_in_Syria

Not everything is equal just because they seem superficially the similar. Just like Alexandria and Fayum in Egypt, Greeks had a habit of settling places in the Levant.

Arabic is probably as similar to Aramaic as German to English

>No it isn't you mong.
>It's like saying "At least we are all Afro-Asiatic"

Retard, the Greeks are not fuckin' native to Syria.
Those guys are left-overs from Byzantine and possible Ottoman times.

They are irrelevant and have nothing to do with Semitic culture, history, or anything for that matter.

It's like talking about Native Amerindian tribes and then pointing at Portuguese settlers.

Funny because I'm an Arabian with no African or Indian admixture.
Just admit you're talking out your ass and stop talking.
You compared Semitic family to the Indo-European ""family"".

Semitic languages are a sub-branch of the overarching Afro-Asiatic family.

In terms of comprehension it's far closer.

Levantine = J2 ydna haplogroup
Arab = J1

>haploshits

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>They are irrelevant and have nothing to do with Semitic culture, history, or anything for that matter.
>The main centers of this new cultural expansion of Hellenism in the Levant were cities like Antioch, and the other cities of the Tetrapolis Seleukis. The mixture of Greek-speakers gave birth to a common Attic-based dialect, known as Koine Greek, which became the lingua franca throughout the Hellenistic world.
Greeks dominated that area for centuries.

How can an Arab understand Aramaic when a Hebrew speaker can barely understand them?

Seriously kek

>haplogroup
please kill yourself.
i mean it
They do share a genetic relationship. Levantines are a semitic people. Even before they were Arabized, they were speaking an another semitic language

Also nice cherrypicked photo you've got there.

>Funny because I'm an Arabian with no African or Indian admixture.
So you're a butthurt shitskin who's envious of lighter skinned Semites and wants to create some illusion Greeks didn't play the largest role any foreigner played for centuries in the Levant?

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>>The main centers of this new cultural expansion of Hellenism in the Levant were cities like Antioch, and the other cities of the Tetrapolis Seleukis. The mixture of Greek-speakers gave birth to a common Attic-based dialect, known as Koine Greek, which became the lingua franca throughout the Hellenistic world.


That doesn't make them Semites you fucking mong.

>Greeks dominated that area for centuries.

What's your point, though?

Does that make Mongols Chinese?

Why should I care what a low IQ cockroach has to say?

Greeks mixed with people. Syrians adopted many Hellenistic customs, norms, values. The Linga Franc was Greek among the elite. Greek living was popular. It's not like Mongols and Portuguese. You are making an uninformed fallacy. Why do you even care? Did a Greek cuck you or something?

First of all: your iq is even lower than average albanian iq, while mine is superior to your iq. so know your place, you dumb wh*Te dog. Or else i'll make you know it
Second: here use this pic instead

Now before i fuck you up, stop being a rabid wh*Te dog and let me educate you.

I couldn't give a fuck about dark or light skin to be fairly honest.

What's driving me nuts is retarded foreigners who are trying to tell US about OUR history.

Even if we were gonna go by your haploshits argument, your point would still be moot because according to your maps, Levantines are even more J1 than J2.

Nice argument.

Greeks actually adopted more of Levantine customs than the other way around

Don't forget your alphabet came from Phoenicians.

Let's also not forget that "Greek mythology" is just a copy-paste of Sumero-Semitic mythology.

And don't get me started on the dance and cuisine.

Greece and Greeks are some of the most overrated culture vultures on the planet.

roach lol

>Semetic

So what?

Are German and Hindi people the same?

They are both Indo Euroepan

Semitic=/=Indo European
Afro-Asiatic (Semitics and Hamitics)=Indo-European

That's a false analogy and you know it.

>What's driving me nuts is retarded foreigners who are trying to tell US about OUR history.
You seem to have typical Burger education on the subject. Perhaps humble yourself instead of REEEEEEEEEing at something which is true.
>Greeks actually adopted more of Levantine customs than the other way around
>Don't forget your alphabet came from Phoenicians.
>Let's also not forget that "Greek mythology" is just a copy-paste of Sumero-Semitic mythology.
> And don't get me started on the dance and cuisine.

Moving to goalpost to deflect the fact your premise was wrong.

Meant for

Our languages has a lot of similarities which makes us able to learn each other languages pretty easily than non-Semitic people

The theory that phoenicians were originally gulfies are pretty hard to believe tbqh. In my head levantines and the arabian peninsula were both semitic, but that's it.

>What's driving me nuts is retarded foreigners who are trying to tell US about OUR history.
You seem to have typical Burger education on the subject. Perhaps humble yourself instead of REEEEEEEEEing at something which is true.
>Greeks actually adopted more of Levantine customs than the other way around
>Don't forget your alphabet came from Phoenicians.
>Let's also not forget that "Greek mythology" is just a copy-paste of Sumero-Semitic mythology.
> And don't get me started on the dance and cuisine.

Moving to goalpost to deflect the fact your premise was wrong.

Literally not an argument

youtu.be/lzOVNoSl6RM

Tell me how much of each you understand

>Moving to goalpost to deflect the fact your premise was wrong.

You can't even identify fallacies correctly. Just fuck off, you pseudo-intellectual.

I wasn't moving the goalpost at all.

>"Levantines borrowed a lot of Greek customs"

I respond with:

>Actually, it's quite the OTHER way around

Retard. Learn to read and comprehend before you spew pseudo-intellectual B.S.

>You can't even identify fallacies correctly.
But I did. You claimed that Greeks had nothing to do with Syria. When that was disproven, you claimed Greeks had a relationship with Syrians similar to that of Mongols and Chinese or Portuguese and redskins. When that was disproven, you go on some spiel about how much Greeks were influenced by Levantines.

It's not the other way around, Greeks and Levantines BOTH borrowed a lot from each other because they lived closed to one another and interacted often.

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>I'm an Arabian

Your IQ: 80
My IQ: 110+

Cockroach IQ is like "dog years". It does not compare directly with humans.

>You claimed that Greeks had nothing to do with Syria.

Obviously I was exaggerating.

If I meant it literally then why did I mention the Byzantines, who occupied that area for hundreds of years until the arrival of the Arab Muslims?


My contention is simple: the Greeks you are referring to are just that -- invaders.
They are not Semites and they never will be.

Arabs and Greeks have a lot of shared culture and history, but Greeks will never be Semitic.
I'm proud of being Semitic, actually.

I think instead of fighting the Jews, we Arabs should partner with them and just dominate the globe.

>wh*Te subhuman tries to talk back
LMAO :DDDD

What I know is that the Greek civilization got a shitton of things of the phoenician culture, but I have no idea how the greek civilization influenced the east. It probably did at some point, considering that at the time of Jesus-senpai, the jews that could speak greek were considered smart cookies.

I am a Greek, you subhuman.

>we Arabs should partner with them and just dominate the globe.

A real Arab would never say this. FOY

>Obviously I was exaggerating.
Even now instead of being humble and admitting you were wrong you try to retract.
>My contention is simple: the Greeks you are referring to are just that -- invaders.
The relationship between Greeks and Levantines is far deeper. Both are part of Mediterranean civilization.
>They are not Semites and they never will be.
I never said they were Semites. The notion Greeks didn't influence the Levant to a large degree over a span of thousands of years is just as insane as the reverse though.
>Arabs and Greeks have a lot of shared culture and history
Arabs only become relevant when they invaded the Eastern Roman Empire.

The only thing dividing us is reilgion, if we had the same reilgion we wouldn't mind each other

>The only thing dividing us is reilgion
And ethnicity. Mizrahi (Arab) Jews are third class citizens in Israel.

Are Ashkenazis Halal now?

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>Even now instead of being humble and admitting you were wrong you try to retract.

I wasn't wrong because I know what I meant.

>The relationship between Greeks and Levantines is far deeper. Both are part of Mediterranean civilization.

Which one?


Look, I'm not gonna waste my time glossing over your response.

From what I can tell, you're trying to make it sound like Greeks are closer to Lebanese, Palestinians, and Syrians than Yemenis, Saudis, and Qataris.

You and I both know that isn't true.

Levantines are Arab. Always have, always been, always will.

Greeks are butthurt wannabe-Semite invaders who got their asses kicked so hard by Arabs and Turks that they're still struggling to pay denbts to Germany to this day.

Thank you and good night.

Ironically, religion's the dividing factor for Arabs and other Arabs.

a better chart

>Levantines are Arab. Always have, always been, always will

I'm not convinced, m8, I'll need the opinion of a specialist. I'm actually curious about that.

Cool, thanks.

Every ethnic Arab can trace their roots back to Yemen.

I'm not fully convinced by haploshits, but if you look at the leaf's map a few posts above, you'll see what I mean.

>I don't believe in DNA
Found the muslim. kek

>Levantines are Arab. Always have, always been, always will.
>Always have
>Always
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#Etymology

>The earliest documented use of the word "Arab" to refer to a people appears in the Kurkh Monoliths, an Akkadian language record of the ninth century BC Assyrian conquest of Aram, which referred to Bedouins of the Arabian Peninsula under King Gindibu, who fought as part of a coalition opposed to Assyria.[77] Listed among the booty captured by the army of king Shalmaneser III of Assyria in the Battle of Qarqar are 1000 camels of "Gi-in-di-bu'u the ar-ba-a-a" or "[the man] Gindibu belonging to the Arab (ar-ba-a-a being an adjectival nisba of the noun ʿarab[77]). The related word ʾaʿrāb is still used to refer to Bedouins today, in contrast to ʿarab which refers to Arabs in general.[78]

>The oldest surviving indication of an Arab national identity is an inscription made in an archaic form of Arabic in 328 using the Nabataean alphabet, which refers to Imru' al-Qays ibn 'Amr as "King of all the Arabs".[79][80] Herodotus refers to the Arabs in the Sinai, southern Palestine, and the frankincense region, but inscriptions of Yemen start the use of the term "Arab" only in the second century BC.[81]

I haven't bothered learning other Semitic languages but I'm planning to

About the video
As an Arabic speaker I could understand some words from Hebrew and the Aramaic ones

ITT: An Arab-American heritagefag who unironically believes every Semite has been an Arab since the dawn of time. You can't make this kind of chauvinism up.

youtube.com/watch?v=Iy38UQ9EQ6o
any arab will understand some of the aramaic spoken in this video

More like ITT

butthurt non-Semites envious of Semitic accomplishments

>Herodotus refers to the Arabs in the Sinai, southern Palestine, and the frankincense region

Ah, so there were Arabs in the Levant after all!

I'm glad we can agree with each other.


And yes, I already knew that the first Arabs came from Yemen. That's common knowledge, my friend.

Yeah

I hope we become more secular

They are now and probably will be anytime soon but thats not always been the case
Levantines, as well as Egypt and north Africans are only Arabised after Islamic conquest around the 700s
Persians somehow managed to avoid it, but they're genetically getting browned nonetheless

>Ah, so there were Arabs in the Levant after all!
>I'm glad we can agree with each other.
All =/= Exist, you logic impaired "arab". Arabs originally referred to bedouins.

>Levantines, as well as Egypt and north Africans are only Arabised after Islamic conquest around the 700s
This.
>Persians somehow managed to avoid it, but they're genetically getting browned nonetheless
Look at India. Pretty sure Persia has always been brown.

It's a meme from /MENA/

Ancient Persians were more related to eastern Indo-European people like Scythians and Sarmatians more than they do with Arabs or Indians as they are today

i dno why people are getting so butthurt over this topic, basically Levantines are a mixture of the native people of the area e.g. Canaanites in the case of Lebanese with very slight mixture of other Meds (mostly Greeks if i remember right) and large mixture of Arabs from the Peninsula. Keep in mind this Arab mixture goes back to before Islam as a lot of tribes would migrate north to the coast and settle down.

A non-Semitic pleb calling me logic impaired.
Don't make me laugh.

Also, the theory that "Arab" originally referred to bedouins isn't 100% agreed upon, cunt.


If that's the case, then why are the people of the Levant still speaking Arabic to this very day?
They were under Ottoman rule for far longer than they were under the Caliphs. And yet I don't see Syrians speaking Turkish.

Look dude, just fuck off and leave us Semites alone.

I know you are fearful for the day when we unite. I mean for crying out loud, your whole pathetic island nation is gonna sink sooner or later with all the Indians and Pakis you've been taking in.
Does anyone have the picture of that Iranian guy who took a picture of himself next to an ancient Persian site, and his face was almost identical to the sculptures on the wall?

The modern day Iranian/Persian population is almost genetically identical to the ancient Persian/Iranian population.

I feel that Brits and other Europeans are trying to compensate for their lack of ancient history. It's fine to admit that you were living in ice caves and mudhuts for most of your miserable existence while other peoples cultivated major empires and civilizations.

Also whether "Arab" traditionally only referred to people of the peninsula is a debated topic

Why out of all people Arabs, Indians and Niggers are the ugliest? Arabs being the ugliest because how do u even stay so ugly when having so much money? 90% of those fucks are also fat and out of shape, not even real men. Real men have muscle and strength. How do their women have sex with them? Disgusting as fuck.

>90% of those fucks are also fat and out of shape, not even real men.
Whitebois are in no position to criticize anyone for this.

>How do their women have sex with them?

Ask your girlfriend.

>The Arabs mixed with native Whites, giving rise to the Akkadians and Arameans

Most whitebois are thin, except murricans maybe. Look at arabs. 90% fat or chubby roundcheeks.

>A non-Semitic pleb calling me logic impaired.
>Don't make me laugh.
You confused "there exists" with "for all". Also, the middle east is dumb. Even Israel, full of Mizrahi Jews has an average IQ of ~95. Pic related.

Because Turks didn't do cultural pacification as Arabs did
Basically the same reason why Greeks stay greeks, and Balkans stayed Slav and Orthodox

mate Australia is one of the fattest nations

Like my girlfriend qould touch any of you ugly cunts. She crosses the road when she sees arabs.

>West Papua New Gunea is smarter than East Papua New Gunea
I doubt.

We're only dumb because we're poor and spend more time fighting each other than we do building actual institutions.

But once we get out of this perpetual loop of violence, which will probably happen when all the oil reserves run dry, we can then focus on bigger and better things.

Holy... wtf is up with Australia?

Yes, the map is ms paint tier. It lumps west papua new gunea with the general indonesian population.

Abos

>Because Turks didn't do cultural pacification as Arabs did


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

You really are a useless shit.

If you spent as much time paying attention to your girlfriend as you did fucking your dog, you'd know your girl is dickriding Lebanese men 24/7.

>We're only dumb because we're poor
I thought it was because of inbreeding. I had a lot of Arab friends in high school and at least one of them married his first cousin.

land can't sustain high iq
you can even see it in modern Australians
they're a good 50 iq points bellow their british ancestors

he's right