/hell/ - /gr/: Genetic origins of the Minoans and Mycenaeans

Surprise (not), bad news for the anti-Greeks and kellyfag.
Also Magna Graecia confirmed.

>nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature23310.html

months of work in one unbiased image

whenever someone insults you
post this map
and relink every time to that map

How will Varg ever recover?

No, it's not a meme map

nordcucks on suicide watch

there is really a lot of false information about Greeks and Greece in the internet

even seytan confirms

I long for a paper on ancient Macedonians. Stuff like this gives me a reason to live.

>888666
noice

checked

slavs are subhumans

we do not need scientific evidence
it is common knowledge

Cutest grill i ever met was Greek. But she was nothing like the average Greek, oh no. She was a Ligur.

she was Greek
best looking women I have seen
2 slavshit girls
girls from
Greece
south shitaly
Aegean Anatolia
Euxine region

Greek colonies
if you mix people with Greeks
they look better

>southern italians as distant genetically as yemenis

i am vindicated

Greek girls are not for subhuman moors

too bad this region has shit climate

ancient Greeks were Finns

pink skin is weak and feminine

ancient Greeks were blonde

Do you even know what a Ligur is, Mehmet?

In my life I have only seen two, and they were both women. Absolutely beautiful, it saddens me every time I think about how rare they are.
Recessive genes ftw I guess, at least that way they'll never go completely extinct.

Says the Slav. Fuck off Krcksznic

every portuguese ive met
was an annoying subhuman

here's a real ancient greek
ancient Greeks were Vikings

...

Well congratulations, now you know one moor. See what I did there?

Now are you gonna answer my fucking question or should I ask you again when we meet eachother later this month in Mecca?

Rurik was an ancient Greek and you can't prove me wrong

saved for the next >muh vikings thread

why do you care about viKANGS your ancestors where mongols anyways

i pay less for döner near my local mosque
because my parents know the owner

i doubt that there were Greeks
who would leave the Mediterranean
to live among snowniggers

...

Rurik was a Finn which makes him Greek

im a greek
-rurik

im not slav you dog my mother and father are Greeks

lel thats like the recent study that found that modern Lebanese can attribute 93% of their DNA to the Phoenicians. The only people who claim that modern people are different to their ancient counterpart are n*rdcucks looking to we wuz.

True, people exagerrate the extent a people changes in 2000 years, sure there are some exceptions, but for the most part looks remain quite stable (of course taking into account dietary influences). Even the Turks, subhuman roaches as they may be, that 10-15% Central-Asian DNA doesn't have a predominant effect on their looks. Sure you can cherry-pick the roach with slanty eyes and a mongol face, but the majority looks pretty much the same as they did 2 millenia ago in Asia Minor.

shitskin arab subhuman
you are mongrels and scum

Δεν ξέρω τι Εβραιkές ασυναρτησίες είναι αυτές αλλά η Ελλάδα είναι αποτέλεσμα των Ελ.

Φριkηπαιδιστης;

It's very rare for population to change. It would need large resettlements from a coloniser plus for the indigenous people to have their population largely reduced. For example the Americas where 90% of the natives where killed by smallpox.
Laz are not greek :)

migrate edo

subhuman arab filth

I may be Laz but I am Greek

Same here, I may be Belgian but I am Greek.

Excusez-moi??!! I'll have you know I'm subhuman Phoenician*** filth.
I'm Greek too :)))))

you are a filthy arab
nothing else
a worthless arab dog

I assume you still offer infants to Ba'al?

I worship and venerate EL and his children as it's the only way for your npš to enter the land of Mot. Without the light of EL you are condemn to walk alone in eternal darkness.

A good day for us greeks :D

you should worship the oven where you subhuman belong to

Oven you say?

but Iki, you aren't Greek

you're a disgusting inbred laz monkey

Mister2 is back

Λιαkοπουλιστής.

I may be Greek but I am Greek.

Will Varg EVER recover?

WE

Modern Greeks should be between Myceneans, instead they are somehow supposed to be closer to steppe peoples than Myceneans. Fake and gay.

wut?

>Oh my god, modern Greeks are genetically similar to the ancient Greeks. How shocking, just like how modern Lebanese are similar to ancient Lebanese
It's pathetic how people on Sup Forums and Sup Forums get suprised by facts like these. It's almost as if no one here knows anything about genetics and history. Instead idiots just spam the shitty
>'rapebaby' meme

This made me cry. I always envisioned Ancient Greeks with golden blond hair and piercing blue eyes. Well, I'll be getting drunk tonight.

keep in mind that there is a difference between what are european "dark hair and eyes" and what are arab/negro ones.

vargite autism about blonde hair and blue eyes has to end.

Because their model for immigration is the current one where millions of people move, whereas in the past it was small groups of conquerors subjugating much larger populations and eventually being assimilated, or small groups of settlers living in seclusion from the rest of the population

depends on the period and the location though. for example Bronze Age (southern) Greece saw an Anatolian and a northern shift that didn't exactly radically alter the Neolithic population but in the same period Great Britain experienced a much bigger shift that made its inhabitants go from Sardinian-Basque-like to almost modern British-like

and we still need more samples, including to see when Greek shift to their modern position. my guess is early medieval times with the Slavic migrations but lots of potential from Dark Ages to Hellenistic times. modern mainland Greeks seem more steppe-like and less farmer-like compared to those samples which tells me something from Northeast Europe impacted them

What are you doing in Poland Mehmed? Come back to your motherland

I'm greek btw

it's possible/likely that there was more replacement than that but that it came from similar Levantine tribes. what's interesting is that the detectable remaining % is mostly northern and something that had steppe in it which also ties in with modern Lebanese actually being 'whiter' than their ancient counterparts, pigmentation-wise...

there are Iron Age Finnish samples coming soon too

also one of the most common Y-DNA lines in Crete already appears in Minoan times, that J2a subclade, pretty cool

i'm not an arthropod, sorry.

YOU JUST GOT KURWA'D

Modern Greeks are a mix between Indo-European and pre-Indo-European populations. Thus they should fall between those.

It seems that those few Mycenaean individuals whose DNA was analyzed are simply pre-Indo-European folks that were assimilated into Mycenaean society, but aren't representative of Mycenaeans as a whole.

>Ancient proto-Greeks were not ancient proto-Greeks

ok

the tested Myceneans were a mix between pre-Indo-Europeans and Indo-Europeans, they have some 15% of steppe ancestry that the Minoans lack. and one of the samples was from the aristocracy

more samples are welcome but it based on current samples, Mycenean Greece was more farmer and less steppe while modern Greeks are somewhat more steppe and less farmer. which is nothing surprising if you realize that the most important influence in post-Classical Greeks came from the Ukraine

ignore the austrian autism, he already chimped out about "germanic lands that poland should give germanics back" in another ongoing thread about reperations.

i love how with new released papers all the Sup Forums we-wuzers got BTFO. that polack we-wuzing about ancient polacks and that polacks were germanic and muh r1a-m458 is ancient.
that auslard that thought germanic were supreme beings.
and now nordicist get their dick chopped off.

I think the Pole's argument wasn't that Poles were Germanic, rather that the Slavic population preserved the pre-Slavic genetics to an extent which seems true since Poles seem to have a decent amount of I1 that's been now found in pre-Slavic contexts in Poland

maybe, there are few haploautist from poland on this board.

>most important influence in post-Classical Greeks came from the Ukraine

What do you mean? Was there substantial immigration from Ukraine to Greece?

I meant the early Slavs

"X are actually not X but Y" meme is dying out surprisingly. First Lebanese then Greeks. I like those retards getting rekt :DDD

I thought the input of Albanians (who have far less steppe ancestry than most other european peoples) was more significant. Albanian speaking enclaves survived pretty long in Greece IIRC. Either way, it seems questionable to make predictions about the genetic makeup of Mycenaean Greeks based on just four samples.

yes, what we see is overall continuity with some obvious change. that's why I'm sticking to Turks being likely Byzantine Anatolians + 20-25% Turkic rather than a complete replacement like some people think until I'm proven wrong

>input of Albanians
it's usually the output we're concerned

Turks are a mix of Byzantine Anatolians and Seljuks mostly according to the Gedmatch results of Turks, mongoloid dna varies from 5% to 25% though, never goes above 25%.

Lol, why did the other guy create another thread
Does he really crave attention that much

>Byzantine Anatolians
pretty hard to believe this is what Anatolians looked like

you probably missed Ikibey shitposting for a straight 4 hour spamming the thread

Albanians have similar steppe ancestry to Greeks and (obviously) more steppe ancestry than those ancient samples do. and no, Albanian input is much smaller and more geographically constrained and was already similar to Greeks, it survived to modern times because it was more recent

>it seems questionable to make predictions about the genetic makeup of Mycenaean Greeks based on just four samples

it's preliminary but it's better than making predictions based on early 20th century racialist theories and confirmation bias for sure though

either way, we have Minoan samples too and those odd internet theories of them being close to "Western Europeans" have been conclusively demolished so we can wait for more on the Mycenaean/later Greek front

the women could easily be seen in most of Greece and most of those people could easily pass in some islands and Anatolia would have been less European/darker/less white/whatever you prefer than the Balkans. no need to let any potential anti-Turkish sentiment bias you

Byzantine Anatolians as in "Greeks who lived in modern day Turkey".
Also here's a better pic.

Protip: mountain people are ugly everywhere in the world

>you probably missed Ikibey shitposting for a straight 4 hour spamming the thread
So? I didn't see anyone else jumping ship.

I had to make a decision, and a decision I made.
while ikibey was busy 'arguing' and spamming in here with other non-Greeks we were having a chill thread. It worked, don't question me again.

as a leader I made that decision, vedi vidi vici

You are a coward.

that's also a form of "X are actually not X but Y"

What do western turks think about Yunanistan;

why are Greeks so obsessed with Western Turkey?
If you're looking for your "brothers" then i'm afraid they're not in there, you should look at Trabzon and Rize.

It's were my family lived before the population exchange
Just curious, no need to be upset.

Anatolian Turks by definition are a particular population with certain ethnolinguistic ties that came together at a certain period in time. so it can't be "really Y rather than X"

I mean yeah you'll see all sorts of weird arguments based on genetics and the like but what can you do about that. for reasonable people, they just elucidate certain historical processes

also fuck those double threads

ok
you're seen as culture thieves here.
some cucks like you though.

i wonder how old people would react if you show them wikipedia and tell them that turkey is culture thief

>wikipedia
any kind of genetic trash can edit/write articles there. why bother?

>you're seen as culture thieves here.
Wow, you actually have the audacity?

Hope your entire family dies of cancer desu