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Like a said, retarded Jew-speak.
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An actual challenge is to climb the Everest or to listen to Der Ring des Nibelungen, not to submit yourself to marxist aesthetics or other forms of kikery.
>or to listen to Der Ring des Nibelungen
But that's beautiful, there's nothing challenging about enjoying that work of art.
Unless you mean actually being informed and understand all the religious/mythical themes Wagner incorporated in his works, but I still don't consider that a "challenge"; you can still listen to it and enjoy it even if you don't know about the concept themes or understand the lyrics.
there is pop music that uses standard musical conventions (4/4 time signature, familiar instrumentation, verse/chorus/verse structure)
this music is very easy for most people to listen to because its sound rarely deviates far from the established formula
there is other music that doesn't rely on these conventions much or at all, artists like Captain Beefheart, Faust, Jon Hassell, The Residents, Slint (just to name a few), or entire genres like noise.
these artists/styles would be considered "challenging" because they stray far from normal conventions and sound too abrasive or unusual for people who are accustomed to radio-viable pop music
I understand your point and that's probably what reviewers meant, but I still think it's kind of weird to talk about "challenge".
You either like something, or you don't.
I was just watching a memetano video about experimental music and how he says he enjoys noise because he feels like he's being "challenged".... and I thought to myself, wait, I actually enjoyed noise from the first time I listened to my first Merzbow track back in early 2000s, I never felt "challenged".
To me you either like something, or you don't.
You can understand music better, for example if you study music theory. I get that, that's fine. But music doesn't "challenge" people, you will never lose (or win) by simply listening to music.
But it's not only the semantics what bothers me, as I said, the concept of "I like this thing because it "challenges" me" seems the snobbiest thing ever. If you don't enjoy noise then don't listen to it, prick. Noise is not trying to "challenge" you.
Eh, I guess I have a different view of what is meant by "challenging"
I don't see it as a win/lose thing, as if it's a competition to see who can understand the music, I see it as "I didn't even know this kind of music was possible so I wasn't sure how to feel about it upon the first listen". That being said, the term probably does get applied to music that really is not "challenging" to any listener that is loosely familiar with semi-experimental music.
Don't expect to get it the first time around. That's the challenge, it takes dedication and commitment
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A (((challenge))) is different, it means:
"be-a-good-goy-and-listen-to-this-shit"
It implies that, somehow, you're defective and need to comply. There's always that sanctimonious factor.
im not denying that the music criticism field is left leaning but i think you are significantly overstating the use of challenging as a way of saying "these are radical politics that are probably 2edgy4u"
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get challenged faggots
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