What does Sup Forums think of queer theory, postmodernism and the progressive left...

what does Sup Forums think of queer theory, postmodernism and the progressive left? should these ideas be implemented into all forms of contemporary music?

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No pedophiles in my music plz

no

implement all you want, it will probably sound awful but art is art and art will move on past your armchair naivete

You cannot unilaterally implement ideas into art, obvious bait, kys.

the far left is just as awful as the alt right

We get stuff like the new fever Ray, which is fucking awful beyond belief

theyre already a part of music (and art) and have been for decades /thread

[this is shit ppl talked about in the early 60s]

most music released after the 1950s can be considered postmodern in some fashion. I hate the retarded mindset on Sup Forums and elsewhere recently where "postmodern" is just used as the newest substitute for "degenerate"

I'll guarantee some of your favorite music or art has postmodern elements.

what the fuck is queer theory

>hate the retarded mindset on Sup Forums and elsewhere recently where "postmodern" is just used as the newest substitute for "degenerate"
it's that faggot Peterson's fault

the alt right is a vague label for anyone who is right wing but not a controlled neocon, and you're delusional if you think the characterization of this supposed idea of the alt-right is worse than the actual far left

oh wow some white guys go around with tiki torches screaming about how they have a right to exist, totally worse that feces throwing, fire-starting anarchists

postmodernism is a tool used to push degeneracy, and works exceedingly well as eroding social standards, its not inherently degenerate, but that's largely how its been used since its inception

peterson rode a wave of postmodern resentment that already existed, he's just saying the right thing at the right time

last year peterson was a nobody, he's becoming famous because regardless of how he behaves or any cult like observations that can be made about him and his, that he is where he is because there are enough people who like his ideas to begin with, he didn't start it though, definitely pulled more people into more critical thinking of it, but that's all you can really say about kermit

the alt right is a direct response to the tumblr/far left types
the ironic thing is that they both are relative minorities yet they feel much larger than what they are due to how loud and moronic their members are
prove me wrong

>degeneracy
post dismissed as buzzwords and poorly cobbled alt right babble

they thought 'frankfurt school' = 'inventors of degeneracy' long before he popped up

They're both reactions to reactions to reactions. I mean yeah you're right, there wouldn't be an "alt-right" if the left hadn't gone completely off the rails around the early 2010s. Or perhaps, its better to say that around the early 2010's the radleft influence actually started to infiltrate the mainstream. The way I see it, the world is going one way or the other in the next 10-15 years. Most people resent the way things are currently for one reason or another.

this is what's wrong with you people, you just shut down and assume "oh haha he's an idiot I don't need to think about what he said!"

I think its pretty hard to claim that society hasn't degenerated. Its all relative I suppose, but it seems like societies go through these motions on a cycle. The first world has basically hit the mouse utopia.

>postmodernism

Peterson taught you a new word at least, maybe you should figure out what it actually means since music has been "post-modern" since the 60s

You are a fucking idiot. That's like saying all music made after 1979 is post-punk. Fuck you

a part of gender studies

go kill yourself LMAO *dabs*

if it isn't post-punk, then what is it

>yup, they're gay

Postmodern in it's widest sense is exactly what the name implies, everything that came after the modern age - the music, literature, fashion, architecture etc..
You could argue that we are now post-postmodernism or something since culture has completely flatlined and nothing truly new is made. ( see : hauntology )
Peterson is selling mouth breathing idiots who can't keep up with the current culture some archaic christian traditionalism from the 50s

>1950s
>postmodern
the absolute state of Sup Forums

...and then everyone clapped.

Did you know Dr. Frankfurt himself genetically engineered Post-modernism in his laboratory to destroy the white man's paradise?

CULTURAL MARXISM

>postmodernism
already been integrated for a long time
>queer theory
this doesn't make sense desu, it's redundant with postmodernism to the extent it makes any sense
>progressive left
well, punk is pretty common. They need to stay out of music journalism though

These ideas have been in popular music since at least The Velvet Underground/Mothers Of Invention and been in art music since around John Cage. Electronic music on all fronts went with these ideas, too.

Unsurprisingly, these were are among the most divisive, taboo, yet innovative and influential artists of music in the 20th/21st century.

checkem

>elementary school reading comprehension
The absolute state of Sup Forums

Show me an example, with proof, of postmodern art being used to "erode social standards"?
>inb4 jewish conspiracy

There is tons of feminist postmodern "art" that involves the flaunting of menstrual blood in one way or another, as an example. A lot of this postmodern abstract garbage they're throwing in museums these days is another pretty good example. I'm not even against abstract art entirely but its reached pretty absurd levels.

it's a CIA-funded op

look it up

anyone in the know knows the ussr won the cold war ideologically

>goes to university
>tuition is 30k a year
>majors in gender studies
>complains cant find a job
pic related is all you need to know about queer theory

I don't think placing abstract art in museums and selling it to very rich people is doing anything to "erode social standards". it's pretty exclusive

I hate the "queer community" and "queer theory" but i still want a bf.

>queer theory
um what?

just an example, its about the approach the postmodern mindset takes towards life, just feels deconstructive in a basic ape sort of way. And I think regardless of the audience, most of the postmodern feminist art is a pretty good indicator of social decay . Think about that, the way it can get traction at all to begin with. Society used to view that as vile as it is,something like that would never go beyond "oh what an intrusive thought"

>alt-right is vague label that prevents it from actually being criticized
>far left is all feces throwing, fire-starting anarchists
cool propaganda bro

it's not penetrating anything though. "normie" people will never show any interest in abstract or experimental art

we were talking about extremes

say what you will, but antifa has done far dirtier shit than the alt-righters out in the streets

i dunno, feces throwing > vehicular manslaughter imho

Wow nice music thread you fucking pieces of shit.

Its penetrated everything, look at pretty much all of the widely consumed media. Its about the philosophy towards life. Its impossible to not be postmodern, we exist in the modern era and we are reacting to it now. It changed the social mores. Think about what is accepted now, most of that is a very recent.

haha i knew that spicy meme was coming my way. Generally speaking antifa/radleft types are the physical instigators in these situations.

Holy fucking shit you can’t be this retarded. Modernism died with WWII, that’s the whole fucking reason it’s postmodernism. Edgy gay jewish feminists isn’t postmodernism, it’s edgy gay jewish feminism.

>what is accepted now, most of that is very recent
the only real cultural revolutions the US has seen already took place in the 60s and 70s.

CORRECT POST

that's fair, its become more accepting of many things since then though

>Generally speaking antifa/radleft types are the physical instigators in these situations.
yeah, you convinced me

how can you be this delusional, the idea of those edgy gay jewish feminists is inspired by postmodern ideas, its one of many reactions to the philosophy

what are some of these postmodern ideas ur talking about bro i'll bet they're ideas that already existed with modernism

I think Ezra should kill himself

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Don't know what to tell you pal, most of the people fighting out in the streets are base apes on both sides. Most any footage you'll find of the commie-nazi scuffles in the streets at the universities would show you this trend

>postmodern ideas
>the philosophy
do you have any fucking clue what you're talking about? what exactly is the postmodern philosophy?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postmodernism

While encompassing a broad range of ideas, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of universalism, including objective notions of reason, human nature, social progress, moral universalism, absolute truth, and objective reality. Instead, postmodern thinkers may assert that claims to knowledge and truth are products of social, historical or political discourses or interpretations, and are therefore contextual or socially constructed. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, irreverence, and self-referentiality.

that philosophy towards life is what results in things like these edgy gay jewish feminists you speak of. It could be said that that passage is essentially the leftist approach to the world is

>While encompassing a broad range of ideas, postmodernism is typically defined by an attitude of skepticism, irony, or rejection toward grand narratives, ideologies, and various tenets of universalism, including objective notions of reason, human nature, social progress, moral universalism, absolute truth, and objective reality. Instead, postmodern thinkers may assert that claims to knowledge and truth are products of social, historical or political discourses or interpretations, and are therefore contextual or socially constructed. Accordingly, postmodern thought is broadly characterized by tendencies to epistemological and moral relativism, pluralism, irreverence, and self-referentiality.
literally kill whitey: the philosophy

kys ezra

it's the equivalent of alt right idpol.
it's a fucking SHAME that class conscious Marxists are associated with this filth.

>the teenager post of all time for the teenager board of the Sup Forums

it's nearly devoid of content besides questioning your intelligence but ok buddy

I'm convinced at this post that there is no such as postmodernism and its just a meme to get people to argue on anime imageboards

Not at all though, unless you believe in strictly adhering to dogma and "tradition" of the past without questioning the validity of it. If so, you are what we call an intellectual dwarf and a "bootlicker".

There isn't a "postmodern" philosophy, because it's not really an ideology, it's more a broad term for evolution from the modernity era. It refers more to like the techniques of critique and methodology than an actual ideology. When people like Peterson and Sup Forumstards say "postmoderism", they probably are referring to critical theory and structuralism, "x is a social construct", feminist theory, things like that, which are postmodernist ways of looking at the world, but they are not the strict definition of postmodernism.

Peterson himself when he goes on his bible lectures explaining the meaning of the stories and tries to deconstruct the meaning of truth to apply to religion (saying while it might not be technically true, it's about the "spirit" or what people believe or some shit he said on Sam Harris) has a very postmodernist way of thinking.

class consciousness is too absract for the proleteriat, that's why you need racialism or nationalism or something like that to get it running, a common enemy, that's vital

>postmodern thinkers may assert that claims to knowledge and truth are products of social, historical or political discourses or interpretations, and are therefore contextual or socially constructed

impressive. you're doing the exact same thing that you say the postmodernist bogeymen are doing.

>intelligence
>philosophy
>ok buddy

you're assuming things about me because you don't have an argument in the face of a definition that shows my point about it being a philosophical approach to life

Its more like this: I think most people are incapable of understanding what's best for them and need to be forced into self-responsibility by things like laws and mores

traditionalist thinking is rational beyond dogma, but most people approach it at being arbitrary, its social law that keeps apes from being slaves to their base instincts

if you can't comprehend that by asking what exactly the postmodern philosophy is i'm just pointing out how it clearly isn't a unified philosophy then you have very serious reading comprehension problems and should probably quit pointlessly greentexting

they shouldn't be implemented into anything and will be left behind in the receptacle of history

>comprehend
>postmodern philosophy
>i'm just
>unified
>very serious
>should probably
>PROBLEMS
>greentexting

>can't keep up with the current culture
>current culture doesn't produce anything new

???

sorry bud, but you're the bootlicker letting some unknown entity construct your entire ideology/identity. get out, you degenerate faggot

I'm not assuming, it's literally what you're doing.

As stated again and again and again in this thread, postmodern art has been around since after WW2. Unless you exclusively listen to traditional folk musics or gospel, i'll guarantee your favorite music has been influenced by post-modern ideas.

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What if we were to ‘queer’ capitalist hegemony and break apart some of its consolidating associations? We could start by reimagining the body of capitalism, that hard and masculine body that penetrates non-capitalism but is not itself susceptible to penetration (this image conveys some of the heterosexism that structures contemporary social theory)…But how might we re-envision that body as more open and permeable, as having orifices through which non-capitalism might enter?…What violence do we do to these when we normalise all commodity production as capitalist commodity production? Surely the market is a mobile and membranous orifice into which can be inserted all kinds of non-capitalist commodities, whose queer presences challenge the pre-eminence of capitalism and the discourses of its hegemony.

yikes

The most dangerous part of radleft and alt-right politics is they are playing a zero sum game in terms of who should be allotted political/social/economic power, which makes it rational (as in rational self-interest) as a white dude to go right-wing unless you can finagle your way into a position of power in the rad movement. Also thanks for your sensible post.

>there were people in my history/cultural theory seminars who un-ironically talked like this
tbqh I don't what's worse postcolonial or queer theory in terms up shitting up humanities discourse

>postmodernism is exactly equivalent to muh SJW boogeyman

That was self-defense.

I use my own experience to shape my worldview, not what I'm told I should believe because muh ancestors believed it too.

That explains a lot.

The common enemy is supposed to be the rich

I don't know what makes you think that, I take a very naturalistic and as objective as possible view of reality

>I take a very naturalistic and as objective as possible view of reality
do u tho

this guy is a troll but also a shitty writer with shitty taste

yes, the proletariat are the blue collar people who vote for trump in reality, class consciousness is an abstract concept, but racialism is very real and in front of everyone

my whole point is every ideology has ideas that create an in group and an outgroup, the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, our people and their people. In order to have a successful movement you need to use things to tie people together. Nothing works better than a common enemy.

So they decided for it to be white people/

Yes, I view humans as intelligent apes, but still apes. Given the history of societies there are certainly ideal traits like virtue and beauty, and how societies define them and reach for them. I would say that there are societies that are objectively more civilized than others, and that the principles these societies are based upon have a working track record, and are therefore worth preserving. They are ideas that best organize the apes and keep them from slitting each others throats.

depends on who you're talking about, but in an ideology of oppressed victims overcoming their oppressors (proletariat overcoming bourgeoisie, seizing means of production), white people are the go to answer in the modern political climate, hmm, its almost as if this phenomena is a synthesis of marxist thinking with culture rather than economics, but what could that be called?

But back to my other point, there must always be an us and them, the narrative just shifts depending on who holds the power, who is the oppressed and who is the oppressor

wow

yo great music thread

don't worry I don't disclude myself from that circus, I'm as much a slave to myself as anyone

but if you're wowing because you're a cultural relativist, just letting you know you're retarded

The common enemy is logic, modernity, science and economists if you are a leftist

which just pulls us back around to how postmodernism is the philosophical approach to life that allows for this

white power my dude